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  1. I’m out of the icu after 23 days. Finally. Prolly one more week in the hospital but yay!
    23 points
  2. Thank you. At least one guy did some research before coming on here and complaining about things that they don’t fully know about. Making false accusations, and insulting a group of volunteers that put a lot of time, research, thoughts and group discussion into assigning fair sensible VPI’s to hundreds of different types of cars is not productive for anyone. As a TAC member, comments in this thread are offensive to me personally. We are not “Chris and company.” Chris is not even a member of the tac. He is on the BoD and a liaison between tac and BoD, just like Rich and Tyler were before. He presents the tac with issues, takes notes on our discussions and presents them to the board. The professionalism and wisdom in the discussions among the TAC group always impresses me because of the knowledge, data and facts that are researched and presented in all of our discussions. Is everything perfect? Heck no! But for anyone to portray those discussions as anything else - you are just flat out wrong. edit: it’s late, and I’m both restless and pissed off by some of what I just read. deleted the rest….. because… Someone once told me that arguing with some people is like wrestling with a pig in the mud. The pig actually likes it.
    15 points
  3. I’m going home today! So happy! I’ll be on oxygen for a while but 29 days is enough!
    15 points
  4. Sure, I'll share - here's my 2 cents worth. Swaps were introduced into Champcar to help old cars that were no longer competitive because either they didn't have enough hp, or couldn't find parts any more for their old engines. Instead of good racecars going by the wayside, these cars could then be more competitive by allowing them to swap in a different engine, drivetrain,, etc. Swaps nowadays for some folks are: "Let's see where we can find a flaw in this calculator or method, and come up with a lightweight, high hp, fuel rich, xxx type of combination to build because it looks better than many real cars' combinations that are on the VPI list." Add to that the fact that where "weight" was once used in the calculator to prevent PWR of 12.5:1 or lower, the "Weights" are now bastardized into something called "SPV" that allows rulesmakers to set any value determined to be feasible pointwise. Having worked on the TAC since its' inception, and knowing how much time the TAC and BoD spend on swap issues alone, along with the fact that the whole reasoning behind them has been contorted, misconstrued, gamed, etc. - I have much disdain for swaps.
    13 points
  5. Glad to hear @Money Shift Racing & @MichaelPal safely walked away from this incident! Going to PITT was a first for some of us. The last time I went it was still called Beaver Run. What an upgrade! This track and the facilities are massively improved. PITT was a significant deadline for Flagtronics. We've been working day & night trying to build out as much of the feature set and future proofing the code to the maximum extent possible. We concurrently brought a lot of new trackside hardware and capabilities. In general, the event went very well and most of our new features proved themselves in the field. One of the new features was the ability to declare multiple local flags such as a local yellow + debris. Unfortunately, there was a bug in our trackside hardware that prevented some cars local flag station status clearing timely. This effected a small number of cars and we'll have this fixed before our next event. We apologize for the confusion this caused a small number of teams. We wanted to address this issue to offer transparency. Overall the team feedback was very positive and the system worked perfectly for most cars. ChampCar was once again very happy with the system and we continue to work together to cover more events leading up to official release in 2022. A few notes notes. The FT200 has 6 brightness settings that can be selected by pressing the button up or down: 1 - low with light compensation 2 - medium with light compensation 3 - high with light compensation 4 - low without light compensation 5 - medium with light compensation 6 - high with light compensation We have a video about this and CAN Bus capability here: We also offer complete customization with our software, our product manual here, and the ability for track & firmware updates here: https://flagtronics.com/pages/downloads We debuted light panels at the VIR24 event but did not bring them to PITT. ChampCar is tentatively planning on using panels in 2022 which allows for ideal synchronization between flag stand and in car unit with one control system. Regarding a physical flag system with a trigger, this is something we investigated with several tracks & orgs. We've also looked at an AI camera method at the stand. The reality is that the tracks use a lot of different flag types from different manufacturers and there's little standardization. The corner workers do not issue the flag you see when they pick it up. They pick it up and hold it in preparation with a variety of different movement paths depending on the person & flag station construction. So removal from the box is one step in the recognition process. The flag itself needs a low power board with motion sensor to detect both the removal of the flag from its holder as well as motion to a sustained horizontal state or a waving state. The conversations always led back to the same solution. 1 handheld controller in the booth that controls the status both for the cars as well as panels on the stand. This is the fastest & most consistent way to deliver the same data around the track quickly to all locations.
    11 points
  6. 2021 marks the 10th Anniversary of Team Sahlen competing in the Tire Rack - ChampCar Endurance Series. Our 1st event was the 25 hours and 25 minutes of Nelson Ledges held in the fall of 2011. Our trusty "Charcoal" Mazda RX7 finished the race, securing 11th out of 74 entries. And 10 years later, we are still racing our "Charcoal" rotary racer,,,which makes it one of the oldest running cars in the series. Over the past 10 years, we have enjoyed the competitive on track action and the camaraderie in the paddock with ChampCar racers. The Officials with ChampCar have been super to work with. And we look forward to many more years to come of being a part of this amazing series.
    11 points
  7. The vast majority of the membership don't care about the politics, drama, or anything else to do with the club. They pay their fees. They come to a track, they pop a wristband on, and hop in a car and go race. They get out., talk about how much fun they had, or how bad the slow cars are, and go home. Two months later. repeat. I hear this at every single event. Then you have the people who have vast folders of data on all the cars and teams that race on their computer. They look for strengths and weaknesses. Ways of beating everyone. There are not a lot of them. Just a few.
    11 points
  8. /facepalm The Board should not be voted in based off of rulebook changes! The board SHOULD be about running a competent business. Ladies and Gentlemen, I hope you all understand you are voting in a board of directors for a non-profit organization that needs business skills. This is not a tech committee. They shouldn't spend 12 months of the year fielding rulebook questions. We need people that understand how to run a business from an administrative level. People that can support Dana and the staff in making financial decisions, writing and signing contracts, and making CCES a successful business.
    10 points
  9. Or frozen water so you can fit more volume in...like the fuel tanks!
    10 points
  10. I 100% agree. I'm not an internet troll or pig in the mud wanting to wrestle. I would just like to make a statement on the behalf of our team who runs an NC miata. I appreciate the time and effort that the board and advisors put into the series to make it what it has become. I'm just struggling to accept this as a valid argument for increasing the NC miata base VPI. We bought the car two years ago after researching and deciding to go with the B class NC miata over the A class NB miata. At the time of our research the car was a 400pt car and has been for the past two years. So after two years of buying, building, researching, testing and LEGALLY racing in the series our car is going to have an increase in the VPI, due in some part, because there are somewhat undetectable parts out there that can make the car faster? We are going to get punished because it's easier to cheat to win in an NC miata, despite us building and racing within the rulebook for 2 years? I'm sure we could get a Corvette or Porsche technical advisor who has plenty of ways to do the same thing with those cars. It just seems that we are about to get kicked in the dick and wallet because we bought and built a car within the ruleset just to try to compete in a series with teams who have massive capabilities and budgets like Sahlens and GBU, both of which teams have bent or broken the rules in the past. Seems like I may have to just go in search of these mystical NC OEM clone go-fast parts, instead of researching, testing, buying, building and racing within the ruleset that allowed for the NC miata to have 100pts of leeway beginning at least two years ago.
    10 points
  11. I would also like to point out that when we are replaying the videos to see what happens it inherently slows everything down because each time you watch you know what to expect so your level of anticipation is elevated. Live or in real time all of this happens so much faster. Also, thanks to the those that have replied so far for not flaming us. We posted our video for transparency and learning purposes but I can also see where some may choose to withhold their data to attempt to avoid blame. In this case we felt it was more important to get everything on the table in hopes that we all can learn from what transpired here. ~Kevyn
    10 points
  12. I don't think a 2020 tech desk post from Jay carries much weight today.
    10 points
  13. You guys sure are putting in a lot of energy stirring the pot and lobbying to have a loophole closed considering y'all rage quit after a loophole got closed.
    9 points
  14. I've been sitting quietly watching, waiting to see who would step forwards to run for the Board this year so I could figure out where to cast my vote and my largest concern is that we're posed to vote in a board of directors that thinks first about a rulebook, and not a business. I'd love to hear some thoughts on the following issues: 1. As a possible new board member, what are your thoughts on how to attract new teams to CCES? 2. Do any of you have business leading backgrounds? Who here has experience dealing with banks, accountants, corporate insurance brokers, attorneys, etc? 3. What are your thoughts on West Coast expansion? Should CCES continue to try to reach that market? If so, why? 4. You're signing on for a 3 year term. What do you hope to accomplish in the 3 years to further the BUSINESS of CCES, not the rulebook? 5. It's my belief that the Board has been weighed down by its own desire to keep its hands in the rule book. Do you think its time for the Board to have oversight controls only?
    9 points
  15. The apple cart was upset by Champcar for the sake of one car, the swapped E30. That's the outlier. If Champcar had adjusted the VPI to accommodate the M50 swap, the apple cart would have stayed upright. How much of a VPI adjustment was needed? 6 points. How much performance can a non-swapped E30 get from 6 points? Not much, and certainly not enough to upset the apple cart. 444 points vs 450 points. I'll say it again: a 6 point adjustment to allow the M50 swap in an E30 was all that was needed. But instead of being upfront about the swapped E30 exemption, Champcar chose to try and sneak it in the backdoor. That started the whole "highest model weight" fiasco, which now has manifested as the "SPV" gambit. Just fix it by putting swap weights back to where they should be and putting the E30 VPI at 444 points.
    9 points
  16. I've typed about 3 or 4 lengthy responses to this thread regarding our car (190E 16v) I'm sure a lot of people wont take it as constructive as i mean it to be so i deleted it. I'm very frustrated TBH. I'm sorry we delayed the VPI release it wasn't our intent. If anyone wants to have a meaningful conversation ill be happy to pass on my phone# or stop by garage 12 @ Road America you can look at the car too. I wont discuss it on a forum, everything here seems to get taken out of context.
    9 points
  17. We were the following car in this incident. Not here to make excuses and trust me when I say we feel terrible for ruining both of our weekends. I am happy to hear from Mike that their driver is doing ok and so is ours. Incidents like this feel like such a sucker punch. There are a lot of factors that went into this but ultimately it does boil down to awareness. We are using this as a teachable moment and as a team captain I am already marking plans to change where our flagtronics is mounted and how we brief/debrief our drivers after each session both during the race and during testing. Nobody ever comes to track with the intentions of things ending this way. I apologize in this public forum (and already apologized to Mike via our email conversation earlier today) for the part we played. It’s unfortunate and we are feeling like crap for being “that team”. I will try to edit this post later to include video from our car as sons as I have it cut from the full video. Our car is fixable so we should be out for the race at Ozarks in April. to Mike and team: Let us know your plans for 2022 and what your “good beer” preferences. The next few rounds are totally on us.
    9 points
  18. Saw Chris' post on facebook about a lack of nominated Board candidates and decided to provide myself as another choice for one of the BoD spots. Nathan Gardiner #CC007996 If you are reading this you probably know my car and history in the series so I won't go into much detail there. I considered BoD runs in the past but didn't follow through. This year I started in a new career which is affording me more free time: stay at home dad. With this new career I'll have the time to commit to the BoD and take on some work. My 'pitch' is that (in votes / decisions) I will seek to maintain what makes ChampCar unique and appealing. To me, the unique and appealing aspects of ChampCar that we should preserve and focus on are summed up in two main points: 1) Wide variety of cars competing for the same podium. Miatas with great handling toe to toe with American muscle with great PWR. Mostly stock BMWs/Lexus neck and neck with highly modified hondas that are way faster than their humble factory roots. Cars from the 1980s competing with cars from the 2000s. You get the picture. This is our niche. 2) Accessible budget for 'average joes'. ChampCar is the cheapest path to fantastic endurance road racing. To preserve this niche that ChampCar enjoys, we need to resist the urge to copy others. Too often I see posts to the effect of "XYZ does this and it works for them, we should do it too" or "if we adopt these rules from XYZ series, we will attract those racers". I think this is misguided. I have only ever raced ChampCar because I like the ruleset better than the other series. ChampCar will lose what makes it great and unique (and will lose racers like me) if it washes out the unique aspects by adopting rules / strategy from others. Potential drawbacks to me being a board member: - I race a BMW e30. Some forum members have voiced concern that there are already too many BMW racers on the board. - No experience on a professional board / organization board / any kind of management board. If you have questions, I can answer them here.
    9 points
  19. Ok, so I'm just gonna fall on the sword here. Road America is no longer happening for Flagtronics. We have been working day and night trying to deliver the best electronic flagging system on the market. Are we achieving that? Yes, I think so. Did we achieve it in time for Road America? Unfortunately not. I know that there were teams and individuals that bought a Flagtronics unit to run in their car this weekend, and to those that planned on running their purchased system at this race, I appreciate your support and am sorry to have let you down this race. There are some new features and improvements that we were hoping to have tested enough by now, but simply didn't make it. We are making the system better, but we want the system to be fully validated before treating you as Guinea Pigs on a live race track. We will be at AMP, Laguna Seca, and VIR for our next 3 races.
    8 points
  20. Great work! Everyone from every level of experience should watch this. I copied this from the Champcar home page. All that is required is a current drivers license, ChampCar club membership, some safety equipment, and a need to go wheel to wheel racing! ChampCar IS the simplest path to real road racing! This to me is, 1) Why Champcar is wonderful, tons of us get a way to race wheel to wheel with our tiny racing budget. Tiny compared to almost any other sort of racing. 2) Why experienced racers need to back off just a bit and realize that the person in the next car they are going to pass might literally be on their very first wheel to wheel lap. We all have to have pretty low expectations on the other drivers skill and comfort level. All that is required is a current driver
    8 points
  21. I will save my slogans for the campaign, but I too am throwing my hat into the ring to serve on the board of directors. I have been doing this for some time now, as evidenced by my member number 0039, and feel I provide a decent perspective as both a racer/club member as well as a long time sponsor.
    8 points
  22. Do not take this as confrontational. Just another way to see things. Just open ones mind and think. Gentlemen I test and tune my car at a local track in Houston. I routinely am on the track with my Mustang with spec Miata’s. Our lap times are within 2 tenths of a second. The Miata’s are on the spec tires. I am on Faulkens. If a spec Miata runs in our series with our stones for tires they will be no threat. I cannot say what a 944 or other SCCA cars would do except for A Sedan. My Mustang is 2600lbs. An A Sedan Fox Mustang is 3200lbs. As much as everyone denies the advantages of tires it is significant. With the weight of spec series cars in the SCCA running our tire specs they will not pose a threat to any of the top tier running teams. And the cost will be significantly higher running 8 hours in our series with a spec SCCA car than a Champ car. Now the drivers are another story. And driving style. The SCCA racing is sprint racing and aggressive. And these cars are not set up or tuned to run 8 to 24 hours. The SCCA cars will need to adjust much more to us than vise versa. What is the harm of trying it? If, and this is a big if, they would “dominate “ adjust as needed. With Champcar fuel rules, much harder tires and the weight of the spec cars they are at a disadvantage. SCCA has been around for a long time. There are hundreds of cars that are in garages that would love to run with this series. Yet we continue to play this private club stuff. What is the down side to this? Hurt feelings? More competition? Bigger car counts? Time to stop the good old boy protection and open up some opportunities for other cars to race with us. The private club mentality is a recipe for a slow inevitable death to a series.
    8 points
  23. One of my teams' drivers, Paul Young has been racing in the GT3 class for decades now. Paul runs his own home built tube frame chassis and builds his own engines. He's also a pretty capable driver still at 72 yrs old! Just like me running a Focus, Paul chooses to run something different than most of the competition. He and his Probe have podiumed several times over the years.
    8 points
  24. FWIW remember the e30 isn't the only car with an silly swap weight. The CRX isn't either, so I don't think there is a mastermind plot formed by those two to take over champcar. It is as frustrating to me as the next guy, but hate the game not the players. (I have to remember this myself too) Back when the weights were first made up, people sent in their weights to Mike for approval. People doctored them up as racers do, using convertable weights and whatever else they could find. Some cars got lumped "same" as another car, the crx is a civic yet the 944 S2 is not a 944, etc. The reluctantly to set it right, we can be let down by that. I see it is complicated, affects cars that are now popular (because they were loopholes) and the teams willing to build those cars are perhaps larger revenue makers than the rest of us. As any series gets popular that happens. I think for the series to remain as healthy as it could be, you need to at least admit the shortcomings and publicly make some attempt to get to a resolution, even if the moves are slow enough it might never happen.
    7 points
  25. The underlined part is not accurate. The champcar swap formula was originally based on PWR. It is in the name. Still in the formula. Hell weight is still listed in the calculator output. To state weight in the PWR swap calculator was always meant to be a manipulated performance factor isn't accurate. The name change after the fact was used like lipstick on a pig. That said I've exceed my posting quota for the day. I hope the board nominees answer my questions prior to election. I hope people vote accordingly.
    7 points
  26. visceral & sahlens just sitting in some corner laughing at all of us right now...
    7 points
  27. There are two full time e30 owners on the Board, plus Rodger who drives them half-time? BUT what if we had two more? Does 57% plus part time Rodger sound as good? Not saying they aren't fine candidates and maybe the best ones, but appearance is nearly as important as reality. Especially when controversy happens.
    7 points
  28. Front splitter is complete! Also weighed the truck today at a local quarry. With myself and 5 gallons of fuel she came in heavy at 3200. Yikes. Some much for fast
    7 points
  29. Made the top 10 board!
    7 points
  30. Good on the BOD for recognizing that <50 member inputs (many from this forum) and 2-3 loud voices does not reflect the opinion of entirety of the membership. Thank you!
    7 points
  31. Has to be the Geo Tracker at 300pt, twice the VPI of a CRV but with only 11gal tank and 90hp. Also not worth mentioning it's 4x4 stance and no one is racing that or using the engine for a swap.
    6 points
  32. 6 points
  33. I had this exact same conversation with Mike C. after weighing cars at Road America in 2018. My response was I understood the "intent" of the swap weight to allow this swap, but said people will get smart and start to swap in engines that will blow this whole thing up. Fix the swap weights! If you then want to allow a certain swap, go ahead. There is plenty of data out there to put up a list of allowed swaps that the series feels is acceptable. IE: M50, LE5, GM 3500, VQ's, etc. We have a digital database of tech/swap forms now that can act as a good starting point for data analysis.
    6 points
  34. 6 points
  35. Yes. It’s a rule put in place only for differentials. If RVA had an unclaimed transmission instead of an unclaimed diff, the rule would have been about transmissions.
    6 points
  36. If the swap calculator used an even remotely plausible weight then that would indeed happen. As it stands, a CRX apparently weighs nearly the same as a 1st gen S10.
    6 points
  37. Now for some facts. The Merc 190 and Miata NC were 2 of the many cars whose VPI’s were discussed this past year. In each case, car specs are researched from several different sources, and compared to existing cars on the VPI list. @verisalready provided some of the comparison data that was used when evaluating the Merc VPI. For the NC Miata, we now have a Miata builder in the tac, who has been able to share a lot about those cars with the group. In a recent 3 hour phone conference, We also included a Mazda employee who is a technical expert on the Miata. His knowledge of the NC attributes was thorough. He described the ability to update parts to Mazda’s latest improved offerings and brought up examples of new upgraded parts that can be used with no way of telling the difference from what was originally installed. (Transmissions, engines snd suspension parts) I’m not going to list all of what was discussed over three hours, and at least 3 separate conference calls, but merely providing examples of the inner workings of the tac group. If you personally knew and dealt with any of the members of the TAC group, you will find that there are far too strong of personalities and differing opinions for one person to convince our group to go along with any type of conspiracy theory.
    6 points
  38. Just moved into a new house recently so wasn't sure car would be prepped in time for road america. Got just enough boxes unpacked and tools arranged to spend the weekend putting in new wheel bearings all the way around replacing the transmission Not beaming with confidence, but the car went through all the gears and brakes work, might as well go ahead and register.
    6 points
  39. I am completely opposite from this. I have an electric fan. It weighs 3.something pounds. Ok call it 4 with the relay and wiring. It draws 0.18 hp. I never ever have to worry about any situation where it doesn’t get enough airflow and overheat. Like maybe sitting warming up, or sitting in red flag, or in the pits, or in slow yellow flag, or any other non racing situation. But thats just me. If that .18 hp or 4 pounds or whatever airflow creating downforce I don’t get gets me beat, so be it. It just ain’t worth even thinking about in my opinion to risk overheating an engine in some wacky situation.
    6 points
  40. Tuttle told me on Facebook that displacement balls have holes in them so they can deal with pressure changes...
    6 points
  41. Why not just let us all run glass? The no glass rule is left over from 24 HoL when Condren and Lamm ran wreck-o-ramas at Altamont Speedway. All the tracks we run at allow SCCA and NASA to run glass the rest of the season.
    6 points
  42. Other series like NASA and SCCA are having the same issues. We have been getting more than a handful of inquires about allow spec cars to race by So. Cal and Nor Cal teams. If we can gain 5 teams that big out there for us. Maybe those guys then go and built a CCES spec car after participating, so we could build participation for the future. It was also suggested at one point to allow this as an experiment at the west events only. Which would be easy to adjust the rules via the Supps. So no BCCR changes or updates. So we could test, tweak, and adjust, before making a final call on it nationally.
    6 points
  43. 60° Motorsports Chevy Beretta race report. We were only semi confident coming into this race. We blew our engine Sunday at Mid-Ohio and had to scramble to get the car going again for PIRC. Our initial plan was to reuse our old bottom end but upon assembly found a crack in the block. So that left us searching for an engine on a Saturday morning with one week to get the car ready. Found one and it was promptly dropped off the fork lift as it was being loaded in the truck. We had no choice at that point and used it anyhow. Got it in and the car aligned and everything seemed good. Upon arriving at the track this past Friday the car started running very rich. 7.8:1 AFR. We tinkered with it a bit but couldn’t get it sorted by green flag Saturday and decided just to run. We usually have no problem going two hours on fuel and figured it would be fine. We got the lucky draw and started second behind Money Shift Racing. We quickly managed to move the car to the lead and managed to hold P1 up to the red flag about 30 minutes into the race. During those 30 minutes we also managed to put down a 2:02.6 lap, which ended up being 5th fastest among non-EC cars. On the restart the 959 Visceral car managed to snag the lead. Man is that thing fast on the straight!!! We then lost second to the Sahlen’s Porsche and settled into 3rd for the next hour or so. Then we got the call on the radio. “Car is running out of fuel!” The driver managed to get it through turn 18 but couldn’t quite make it on pit lane. Then he sat there for three laps waiting to be towed in. I eventually had to find a pit marshal to call it in as we think the corner worker didn’t see us. Finally we get the car in and fuel but lost 6 laps. That dropped us to the bottom of the field with doubt in our minds about how far we can go on fuel. We did manage to work our way back and finish P10. Definitely a good result but not would we feel it could have been. We had a top 3-5 on hand for sure. We spent Saturday night sorting the car and thought we had fixed the fuel issues. Spoiler alert, we didn’t!!! Started dead last Sunday and worked up to the top 10 or so in the first stint before it started running out of fuel. This time we at least managed to get it on pit lane and fuel the car. Although we were about 10 minutes short of our window so we would have to make an extra stop at some point. On the second stint the car started shaking violently on braking into turn one. It was like riding in a paint mixer but only at that corner. I’m fairly certain it is the left inner CV breaking apart. We decided to push through it and keep track position for the last 5.5 hours. We hung in there, managed our pit stops with cautions and hung on to finish P7. Again not what could have been but a good finish none the less. Hopefully it is enough to qualify us for the National Championship but time will tell. If nothing else we proved to our selves that we can run towards the front and battle for podium finishes going forward.
    6 points
  44. Perhaps if we quit raking the BoD over the coals and accusing members of serving solely for their own interests, there might be more folks willing to serve the club. I'll be the first to admit that even as a TAC member, I don't always agree with decisions made, but I've never questioned their integrity or motives. I know a few BoD members (and TAC members) that are really soured by some of what's gone on, and frankly burned out from it. Notice some of them don't frequent these forums much any more? I got away for a while when folks questioned my motives too - or I got tired of the complaints about how F'ed up we are. But in the spirit of helping others, that's why some of us volunteer for these responsibilities... just sayin....
    6 points
  45. BTW- I have worked on the idea for a while and asked many different members for feedback to define the program and what it could be. It has evolved into what will be presented to all here soon. Their feedback has made it what it is going to be and will continue to evolve as we progress with it. I am pretty excited about it and how it will help new members.
    6 points
  46. Vision- The ChampCar Mentor Program will help and nourish new members and teams to be successful in ChampCar long term. The mentor program will match up new members and/or teams with experienced mentors that can be in the same geographical area and/or with specific car platform knowledge. Purpose- To bring new members/teams to ChampCar The help guide new members/teams through phases of membership To help new members/teams understand the rules To help teams continue on and not quit throughout the process To help new teams build cars that will be successful long term with ChampCar To help new members enter car racing To have a helpful, nourishing environment for members to grow with guidance Troy Truglio (MR2 Biohazard) will be moderating this forum, and helping to run the program. email mentor@champcar.org
    6 points
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