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  1. Good morning folks. I had a great discussion with Mike Chisek and Bill Riley yesterday. I knew that the TAC was working on about 5 or 6 additional cars that need revalued on the VPI list so for 2021 there will be some VPI changes as we were finalizing these items to put in the BCCR when we release the final version. I have not seen a draft of the BCCR yet, but I know there are people working hard to get this completed. Now I did suggest that the GBU go through tech with a TAC member present so the car could be revalued appropriately to make sure there were no items missed. Now we can't ta
    25 points
  2. Just got home. What a way to cap off the weekend! Race recap tomorrow
    24 points
  3. Just to be clear. Nobody is upset with GBU for building the car or how the team is or drives. We are upset with how the series handled teching and point association with this car, both pre and post race. The team is truly a great group of guys. We just need to fix the broken stuff.
    20 points
  4. This was our first ChampCar race and a very much last minute decision when we heard entries were down and the requirement to have run other races was being relaxed. My team are located in Indiana, Ohio and I'm in St Louis so it was too good to pass up. Our car debuted at and won the LuckyDog race at the Charlotte Roval a few weeks back finishing with a failing transmission and bad oil cooler pump so I figured it would be easy enough to turn around in a week once we made the call.... then I remembered all the other parts we used up at Charlotte and started ordering parts with express shipp
    19 points
  5. Anybody else concerned with Tech's pattern of threatening competitors who are seeking answers, petitioning or questioning the series' decisions with respect to another car?
    18 points
  6. My story. I'm not one for protesting. Have never done it. I also understand that post race tech, whether protested by a team or discovered by tech, illegal is illegal. When I am asked to withdraw my protest and walk away... I was pissed. I was also told by an official, "Mike Chisek and one of the tech guys teched the car at their shop. If Champcar made a mistake then they can't penalize the team for it." I replied back, "so it is ok to penalize the rest of the field for your mistake?" No reply was given. I also told tech, during our discussion, that there were more than 8 attac
    18 points
  7. Okay I will bote as a Board Member. I have been talking with TAC, tech and other BOD behind the scenes post Indy. Yes I am still a little on cloud nine but my feet have almost touched the ground. I have issues with the Riley build and how points were addressed eith the build. We should all be following the same BCCR and how points are applied. Thats one thing that I am passionate on having done and understanding how points are different. Now on Sunday at Indy we saw the level of how many laps Riley should get so how do we fix that? Its to apply points correctly per wh
    17 points
  8. From what I've seen (in this instance only), the rule book doesn't have flaws. The enforcement of the rule book has MAJOR flaws.
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  9. I watched some of it unfold and took notes and asked some questions. I was just a driver for this race and we had issues so I was working on pulling a motor when impound started and walked over. I was told a protest has been made on the Riley Vette. I looked over the cars and the Riley Vette as I do to try to steal ideas for my own cars. The 2nd place Purple Miata really impressed me with how clean and nice the build was, great job guys on it. The vette was a very nice build, we can all see that. I liked a bunch of items and took some notes for the future. Reclined seat to keep it low and the
    16 points
  10. Race recap for Grackle Motorsports (Car 310, the crappy old greenish Civic). Saturday went about as good as we could have ever hoped. 62 cars turned laps, we managed the 8th slowest fast lap of the day. Had one unplanned pit stop that cost us about a minute or two. Ran out of fuel one lap before the end, so we didn't get to cross the yard of bricks under checkers, which was kind of a bummer. Still managed 19th overall and 8th in A class (behind a bunch of cheaty Miatas and a BMW). We were also the highest finishing Honda. Sunday was going pretty well, though we were stuck in t
    16 points
  11. I finally was able to catch up on some sleep and just take it all in from the weekend of what really happened. On Thursday, I had Thomas come out to my house and we were working on the 999 car a lot to get it ready for the debut for our new company and team TURNin Motorsports Group. I had to finish a couple of things up on my end (new splitter mounts and get some miscellaneous items done). I knew we found that the clutch stop had gotten pretty close to going through the fire wall, so I spent the afternoon on Thursday getting some custom fabricated plates made up and welded them in. I am no
    15 points
  12. For those of you not on the book of faces, I thought this was an extremely well written synopsis: " James Knauss In seriousness, I have enjoyed this series incredibly for a number of years. This weekend appears to have several of us at a crossroads. There appear to be those who see this Corvette as an excellent read of the rules and then there are those who have complaints about A: the actual legality of many attributes of this build, B: how these items were or weren't claimed by the team and the Orwellian way in which Champcar declared this build as legal and not to be qu
    14 points
  13. Patience everyone. The guys at Riley are working as fast as they can writing the 2021 rulebook so they can turn it over to the series for publication.
    13 points
  14. The "hung up on winning a trophy" statement that comes out occasionally is really tiring. What's the point of any undertaking in life if you don't want to compete with the best on an equal footing and have the chance to come out on top from time to time by giving your best effort and having it pay off? There are HPDE events every weekend somewhere if all you want to do is drive your car at speed. But if you want to do it in a race, that's good too. It just isn't the view of many of us that show up to hope to have a chance to win on an equal basis. The rules are intended to of
    12 points
  15. Why do we need a rule for this. Can’t a phone call stop this? Mike Chisek = MC Big Spender = BS ring....ring... BS Hello MC Hi, this is MC with Champcar. We observed your spending of $one million dollars at the last Champcar race and think it’s not benefitting the image of the series. We love having you race with us, and want you to come back, but kindly request that when you do, please choose a different tire so you don’t need 45 to race all weekend. BS really? That’s not fair MC yes really, this is an amateur series and it
    12 points
  16. @Bill Riley I'm sure you have a side of the story. I 100% understand your position of silence so far, but cooler heads will prevail and I would love to hear your opinion once that happens.
    12 points
  17. Bottom line, 150pts for a corvette is laughable. It just took someone with enough money/time to build one out to show us how damn fast it was. Needs a base points adjustment at the very least IMO Pre 1980 Corvette 150pts Pre 1980 Porsche 928 425pts Seriously think about that lol.
    11 points
  18. Bavarian Mustache Werks had an excellent weekend as well. The racing has always been great here and the competition sure has stepped over the years! No longer is the Coookie Cutter Classic the 'easy points' race with a light field that it used to be. AWESOME to see that so many others have discovered how good this race is! I give it 5 of 5 stars, would recommend! I made a number of improvements and other changes (maybe improvements?) over the looooong off season; some aero work (not planned, test-day a few weeks prior at Gingerman sort of, uh, forced me to make a new F
    11 points
  19. I'll be honest. Bracket endurance racing sounds like The most boring thing in the world. Who wants to drive around with a bunch of rich guys who are either sand bagging, or sucky drivers. Hard pass.
    10 points
  20. We are doing a full show, minus the professionalism that Paulie brings. Yes, Paulie's driving but me, Bill, and Doc will be doing a show.
    10 points
  21. So I'm now sensing a common thread here (beyond the obvious already stated) - and that is the champcar shop visit tech sessions. I wonder how the dynamic goes with these sessions - is it where the team invites champcar to come inspect the car in a 'hide and go seek' sort of fashion? Like, here is the car, tell me what it's value is without further explanation or a formal list of items presented on a tech sheet, like the rest of us do at pre-race tech? Once this visit/tech session ends, is the expectation that the tech sheet is sealed and finalized, and is not protestable at races, despite w
    10 points
  22. 901 Motorsport brought car #903 in all her duct-taped e30 glory to play at Indy this year. She had finished 5th at the VIR 24 a month ago and we were excited to be at Indy to try to match or even better that result. Well, to lead with the punchline, we finished 5th. Both days. Consistency is good, I guess? First day we learned that the car was better on pace than we figured. Indy sure likes power but also rewards handling, and 903 has junkyard engine power but is a well sorted, well prepped, good handling car and able to run at the limit all day. On Saturday we ran as high as sec
    10 points
  23. Absolutely 100% Hard NO. Not all of us want to build 40 year old cars to go fast. We chose a newer more expensive platform because we were all sick of the risk of tetanus, and scouring the internet for obscure replacement parts. We have put countless hours and dollars into making the car look good and feel good (ergonomics). It won't be an overdog, mechanically it's essentially stock. Not to mention a buyout means an immidiate 6-10 month hiatus to racing. I enjoy the build, but if I had to choose build or race, I choose race. I wouldn't sell our new car
    10 points
  24. Race report from Team Hugh Jass. First off, wanted to say a big thanks to CCES, Indy, and all the other teams that made this event happen. We acknowledge that these are challenging times for "budget" motorsport in this country, and we all had to jump through hoops to get to this event, but the atmosphere on pit lane and the considerate racing on track made this a really fun event to attend. We failed to make the 2019 event at the last minute after car issues, so were determined to make amends this year. Saturday Car was in good shape for the start, and I had the honour of taking
    10 points
  25. Guys we are looking to adjust all huge fuel tanked cars with low VPIs. We don't want to play whack a mole with just the Vette. We are working on it.
    9 points
  26. New class structure based on the rule year: 1. Class A: "the $500 car" class. 2013 rule book 2. Class B: "last of the Condren cars" class. 2015 rule book 3. Class C : "Pre-Riley era" class. 2018 rule book 4. Class D : " C3+ era". 2020 rule book (a bit mangled but...)
    9 points
  27. On the Indy broadcast they mentioned that there would be a broadcast at Road America. There better be, I do this exclusively for the fame.
    9 points
  28. I've witnessed this exact type of behavior at events as well from officials..it's sad. Hopefully the BOD is in discussion behind the scenes on not only the GBU debacle, but also the unprofessional way some folks have been acting in their roles as representatives of the series.
    9 points
  29. This to me, highlights the biggest issue. Big money, big name = protection by the series Small money, small name = threatened by the series Awesome. Sorry you had to deal with all this. Sounds like a horrible experience.
    9 points
  30. That's what's in contention. I'd LOVE to see them build a 100% legal car and compare against grassroots racers, that would be the real test of the rules. Seems as though that got many concessions to the rules to build this car, and that seems wrong.
    9 points
  31. So alternator and starters are free now. Cool. More free stuff. I love the interpretations and how they are constantly making the field faster for absolutely no reason. How hard would it be to adapt an original style alternator with stock type bracket? It's the little things that add up that is greatly annoying....
    9 points
  32. I think the race results speak for themselves with respect to this comment. The series has done a pretty good job balancing VPI's. There are very clear and major hurdles to running an "American Iron" car including the 15 gallon tank ('79 and later Fox bodies and Gen 3 and 4 F-bodies), solid rear axle, heavy iron block V8 and inferior 1970's designed chassis. So despite being "undervalued", you don't see them dominating on a regular basis because they need a helluva' lot to be competitive. Rather, you see a pretty nice mix of cars on the podium and in the top 5. Right now, at this particu
    9 points
  33. Man, some of you guys really hate restrictions... we aren’t doing Indy this year (for other reasons) but would love to go back next year. And if next year Indy says we have to walk backwards to the fuel truck and pay in pennies and hang 13 mirror tags for parking and get a military background check for every crew member and only ride unicycles to get around, the only thing I would say is
    9 points
  34. Indy's ridiculous restrictions are 100% why I did not want to return, and most of the guys I went with felt the same way. Locked gates everywhere 58 people telling me where to park No scooters, electric power, etc No karts Leave at 8 pm (to do a transmission swap in a trailer park parking lot...) 3 hours in line to buy overpriced fuel Not trying to be negative, but when you have the meeting with indy, these details are things teams consider when deciding what track to go to. The novelty of Indy is worth putting up with once, after that som
    9 points
  35. The clips I ran together were not from any of the race broadcasts. They were from a few of my race recaps, a random drivers meeting and a couple of the CEO's red flag videos. 98% of the ChampCar video's you see are coming from my desk, including the dull ones. Unlike some who think they've seen the majority, I've seen every single one. I've been working with these people for four years now and know each of them well. I can assure you that they are all grateful for the members and speak of it in videos as I've demonstrated. Even the tippy top management know that racers can race anywhere
    8 points
  36. I will answer one of the issues. I thank every team I meet at every race I go to which is 99% of the races. I thank them for choosing us to race with, and I hope they come back. I know for a fact that our team of event directors do the exact same thing. I do it in emails, in private messages, and to their faces. I would even do it on the show from time to time. this issue was looked at from the highest. it has been worked through, and you will see results in the coming weeks. We don't put dirty laundry out there for all to see, though the Internet loves this. We won't pl
    8 points
  37. It was a good weekend for Crowd Control Racing #625 and InActiv Motorsports #626. Although we are in Florida, we've never run at PBIR and didn't know what to expect. In the paddock during testing, a few people asked me how many tires we brought for the cars. Back when CCES used to run the track, it was known to be hard on consumables. Testing went without a hitch on Friday, but we lost an external lift pump in the Cobra, which was replaced in 10 minutes and the car was back out for the next session. On Saturday we put the car in P1 pretty quickly and made a few good calls through t
    8 points
  38. You guys need more imagination. I want to see Mender's Fiero with a 45 point body show up like this:
    8 points
  39. If dont want re71r in the series, just don't let it in the series. I like the idea of a list of allowable tires.
    8 points
  40. That is good to hear. And I assume with the experience that he has, he must have been expecting this. Unfortunately, the fact remains that they still podiumed twice with an illegal car, and it held up. Can I show upto Daytona with a bunch of illegal parts, win and just say sorry after? I am Canadian after all!!
    8 points
  41. Haywood Racing had a great experience. Last winter we tried to make some significant aero improvements to my blue/yellow miata, we purchased a very well sorted red miata, and we badgered encouraged four friends to try champcar racing with us. Then Watkins Glen was cancelled twice, Mosport was cancelled/border closed, and Ohio was added to our list of quarantine states 2 days before our scheduled departure. Like it has been for most people, things were not going to plan... so I really hoped Thompson would pan out for us, especially the newcomers. Even though they don't k
    8 points
  42. uh, what? Do you also go back to a typewriter for better typing? Do you subscribe to the newspaper for faster news? You could sell the truck and get a horse for more direct power also?
    8 points
  43. WOW, I can not believe I missed all 17 pages of this until now to see the back and forth. Here a few thoughts and observations. -37% of the teams would not be legal unless they reduce hp or add weight. That is not good as it would make a portion of those teams go away. I know I would go away with my car and race somewhere else. -The same teams that win now will win later as usual. They prep their cars better, prepare better, strategize better, have experience, exploit the rules better, prerace iracing better, ect. Winning teams do not win by luck and it takes a lot
    8 points
  44. Sorry you find my videos dull. I guess that's to be expected. Since you've already seen the majority of my videos, here's a sample of a few I threw together that would likely surprise you. I have many more examples.
    7 points
  45. There are multiple sources for this information(TireRack, GRM), in addition to the experience of the TAC and competitors. Considering that a proper rule banning the high wear and extraordinarily fast tires would save the members the hundred(s) of thousands of dollars per year while bringing the field closer together I believe this warrants serious consideration and that even some volunteer testing or group data gathering could be used. Alternatively, you could 'let in" tires to an approved list and there could be petitions to add in tires as more data becomes available. The
    7 points
  46. That is very respectable of him, however, I don't think we should be relying on the good will of competitors solely to enforce themselves in lieu of tech being willing to do it..
    7 points
  47. That looks a little like a can am car giving birth to a corvette...
    7 points
  48. The total IRS replacement for 50 points is what bothers me, and is something TAC should be looking at.
    7 points
  49. The VPI doesn't balance this car. It's way too low for a car with 24 gallons of fuel. The series bumped the T-bird by 50 points because it led a few laps at Sebring a few years ago. It's 100 points higher than the C3 and the Corvette carries 4 more gallons.
    7 points
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