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  1. I've witnessed this exact type of behavior at events as well from officials..it's sad. Hopefully the BOD is in discussion behind the scenes on not only the GBU debacle, but also the unprofessional way some folks have been acting in their roles as representatives of the series.
    6 points
  2. I just spent $3200 to test the RE71Rs. Once we pick a size it'll be another $2-3k. Forking stupid but we gotta find more time and that's a bullet that needs to be bit. Ban RE71r, Ban Rivals (Rival S?), Ban A052, Ban the other Advan. RS4s, Dunlop's, Falken should be good enough for everyone.
    6 points
  3. For those of you not on the book of faces, I thought this was an extremely well written synopsis: " James Knauss In seriousness, I have enjoyed this series incredibly for a number of years. This weekend appears to have several of us at a crossroads. There appear to be those who see this Corvette as an excellent read of the rules and then there are those who have complaints about A: the actual legality of many attributes of this build, B: how these items were or weren't claimed by the team and the Orwellian way in which Champcar declared this build as legal and not to be qu
    6 points
  4. In one of the recent tire threads on mentioned the struggles my team has with tire wear. @MR2 Biohazard reaches out to me on DM to offer his knowledge, tools, data analysis etc to help me solve this issue and try to get my car setup well for handling and tire wear. I wasn't asking for help, but he could see that I needed it an so he reached out to me. There are so many awesome members, drivers and teams like this....and that's a big part of why CCES is a great organization to race with.
    5 points
  5. I went from OE parts that came on the car to non OE parts that came on a different car, and took the points for it. It shouldn't matter if there is a performance or reliability gain, non stock components should cost points. It isn't like this is an engine swap and there just isn't room for the OE box where someone could claim they were forced to change it because of the engine they wanted to run, this was a decision to run a different steering box than came on the car. That should be points.
    5 points
  6. This to me, highlights the biggest issue. Big money, big name = protection by the series Small money, small name = threatened by the series Awesome. Sorry you had to deal with all this. Sounds like a horrible experience.
    5 points
  7. First year you show up with one car, then two, then three. No matter how many of those beat up E30’s you bring you ain’t beatin the ole Lexus.
    5 points
  8. Why do we need a rule for this. Can’t a phone call stop this? Mike Chisek = MC Big Spender = BS ring....ring... BS Hello MC Hi, this is MC with Champcar. We observed your spending of $one million dollars at the last Champcar race and think it’s not benefitting the image of the series. We love having you race with us, and want you to come back, but kindly request that when you do, please choose a different tire so you don’t need 45 to race all weekend. BS really? That’s not fair MC yes really, this is an amateur series and it
    5 points
  9. I guess I mistakenly thought that champcar was a low budget entry level racing series,95 % of all racetracks in america have a spec tire rule there are many local tracks that can get a 100 cars a night and have no problems,do the track owners want to do that no but they know if they dont they will end up with 25 cars a night so they have to to stay in business.Lucky dog is a perfect example Roy probably figures he can finish 3rd or 4rth at ra but if potenzas are 2 or 3 seconds faster he can win so his tire bill went from 800 a weekend to 2000 a weekend and maybe he can afford it, but in my c
    4 points
  10. We've never had wind tunnel testing done. I called and got prices over a year ago, but that is it. I do however have a group on facebook and we share information. I also bought some $35 Manometers off amazon to do pressure testing. I also watch videos and read prolifically to use windtunnel tested concepts (vents with gurney flaps) on our car. I am all for simple as far as the tire rules. I'd support either tire model bans, or tire quantity bans. I will share my test data since no one else has shared data with the miata teams on the 245/40-15 RS4 vs. the 205/50-15. To my knowle
    4 points
  11. ooh nate thinks I'm right-ish. I'll just retire from the forums for today.
    4 points
  12. Can't afford rain tires but can afford $3200 to test tires.
    4 points
  13. Toyota......they make family cars.....and and......minivans.
    4 points
  14. Maybe not CCES but it seems competitors are already watching tires without a tire rule.
    4 points
  15. Guys let’s slow down here and remember that the GBU car was tech’d at their shop. No line of cars, no heat or pressure to keep the line moving and parts were still missed. Do you really think CC has the man power to watch tire changes at the track?
    4 points
  16. So I'm now sensing a common thread here (beyond the obvious already stated) - and that is the champcar shop visit tech sessions. I wonder how the dynamic goes with these sessions - is it where the team invites champcar to come inspect the car in a 'hide and go seek' sort of fashion? Like, here is the car, tell me what it's value is without further explanation or a formal list of items presented on a tech sheet, like the rest of us do at pre-race tech? Once this visit/tech session ends, is the expectation that the tech sheet is sealed and finalized, and is not protestable at races, despite w
    4 points
  17. The simple solution would have been to not allow flares - stock wheel openings, but that horse is long out of the barn.... (Oh yea, would have "solved" a lot of the bearing / hub issues that had to be addresses under the guise of "safety" with reduced point values too)
    4 points
  18. My story. I'm not one for protesting. Have never done it. I also understand that post race tech, whether protested by a team or discovered by tech, illegal is illegal. When I am asked to withdraw my protest and walk away... I was pissed. I was also told by an official, "Mike Chisek and one of the tech guys teched the car at their shop. If Champcar made a mistake then they can't penalize the team for it." I replied back, "so it is ok to penalize the rest of the field for your mistake?" No reply was given. I also told tech, during our discussion, that there were more than 8 attac
    4 points
  19. Here we do not see eye to eye... What contributed to the success of the car and winning by X laps (we can say X=12 based on your post)? 1) huge budget given to long time IMSA car builder / IMSA team runner / 24 hr of LeMans winner / etc. etc. I think highly of my fellow champs but if we think our cars are prepped to the level that he has with this car, we are probably mistaken (did anyone else see the mention of a suspension shaker rig on Facebook??) This will be (A) 2) use of several sets of rival-s tires (totally legal) that gave them an advantage over other tea
    3 points
  20. I was actually arguing that Bryan can't just change it (without points) based on This current situation if the free stwering box stands. Just pointing out that the situation is different because he also changed type of steering... ...which I think we ALL agree should be points (so should changing the box in this case) Edit to further clarify: no free stuff. Enforce the bccr as written.
    3 points
  21. An oil cooler won't give me any speed and will reduce me risking oiling down the track when I ventilate my engine. 0 points now? Dude, you contradict yourself in your own post. You say stock is fine and reliable but risks oiling down the track? That doesn't seem reliable to me. Don't we charge for reliability upgrades just like speed upgrades? I thought that was the thing in champcar (my opinion aside.. just going by prevailing governing rules)
    3 points
  22. yes, but if you throw 400hp at it with a stock rear suspension and having to run a 285 tire because you'd have to run the stock body vs an aftermarket one. the VPI is too low for a car with 24 gallons of fuel, but the larger issue with GBU is that they have a car that should be in EC allowed to run in a class.
    3 points
  23. Yep, yellow e30 is a beast, I can see why you wouldn’t even show up.
    3 points
  24. That is why I recommended just banning the high wear, "hot" tires. Then you can chose from anything else. Its just taking the arbitrary TW rating one step further to exclude specific models. Since there would be only 3-4 realistic models that could be run some steps could be taken to secure stock for members. I know there are challenges, but this does have big potential to slow down the teams that are trading pure $$ for lap times, while saving members a lot of money, while also bringing the field closer together. I think that is worth the effort and the loss of choice, especially whe
    3 points
  25. I am not arguing that there currently are stock issues at TireRack for the RS4 but LD secured stock and custom branded tires. Why can't we apply the same thing for CCES with Tire Rack running logistics in order to save hundreds of thousands of dollars for our members and bring the series into closer parity?
    3 points
  26. The entry fees have remained stable. Isn't that enough ?
    3 points
  27. I feel a bit like we are trying to solve a lack of adherance to the existing rule book by adding more rules. We can't properly enforce what we already have, what indicates that we will not make special exceptions for certain cars based on some factor that impacts one vehicle and becomes a slippery slope for everyone else to follow?
    3 points
  28. Lots of teams run RS4s, Dunlops, and Falkens in the rain. It would make sense to ban Conti's as well to avoid people buying rain specific sets. I run Conti's on my street car and we steal the rims and tires before races.
    3 points
  29. I can tell you about a miata. The prices for good donors are on the rise. But if you came to me to build your car, there would be a lot of questions asked about what you wanted. From a turn key 1994 miata with stock motor and basic safety, you'd be in the realm of about $10k-$20k depending on options. If you wanted a full built out 1994 competitive car for winning class, you'd be in the realm of $15k-$30k. If you wanted a motor swapped 1994 to B class, you'd be in the realm of $20k-$35k. I know most of you are dropping your jaws right now... pick them up. The teams that have raced a
    3 points
  30. Just curious, is this all about an old board member teaching the current board a lesson about lowering points too much? Current board silence is deafening.
    3 points
  31. back the truck up here for a minute.... can someone explain to me why say F1 and Indy Cars have tire quantity/allotment rules per event but it would be a bad thing here?
    3 points
  32. Assuming we run the whole event, we average $1000 per weekend on 15” RE71r. We normally bring a mix of stickers and partials. Tracks such as Brainerd / Gingerman / autobahn use less, Indy / NCM used more.
    3 points
  33. The series title sponsor is a tire distributor. No additional limits will be put on tires while they are on board. People need to have some common sense. Tires are not even in the top 10 for issues currently.
    3 points
  34. The issue is that this is so strikingly similar to the R3R situation that it could be argued nothing was learned from that.. or maybe it's that nothing was desired to be learned. What was actually fixed from that? (and I don't mean the spring rule.. that was not the root cause by any measure) I am thoroughly confused, on all fronts, why this happened and was allowed to happen. It is not in the best interest of anybody.
    3 points
  35. 36mm deep socket 12 point if anyone’s interested. Half inch drive. Three inch extension. It also works for the front wheel bearings. Tape job executed by the “Professor” (phd in taping everything in sight). Love, Frankie 901 Motorsport #901 Lisa #902 The Datsun #903 Ratte “The Rat”
    3 points
  36. This is our shift lever fix progression. The best part of the weekend was Saturday impound. We were parked next to the Vette talking to the owner and NO one was interested in our car for one minute. Finally I got fed up and said why isn’t anyone complaining about our 3.0 liter swap engine in our car. Then I told Bill I was going to protest his fuel capacity. He wasn’t amused. Two Natty light beers will do that to me after a day in the sun. Good times. See all you losers at Barber. We are winning that thing.
    3 points
  37. I’ve had probably the same discussion with Jay at annual tech two years in a row. I always end it by saying “just put it in the rulebook and I will be happy to make those changes”. And it doesn’t end up in the rulebook. Thanks for sharing your side. This is eerily similar to the R3R Porsche protest at Barber.
    3 points
  38. LOL like that phonecall would ever happen
    3 points
  39. 901 Motorsport brought car #903 in all her duct-taped e30 glory to play at Indy this year. She had finished 5th at the VIR 24 a month ago and we were excited to be at Indy to try to match or even better that result. Well, to lead with the punchline, we finished 5th. Both days. Consistency is good, I guess? First day we learned that the car was better on pace than we figured. Indy sure likes power but also rewards handling, and 903 has junkyard engine power but is a well sorted, well prepped, good handling car and able to run at the limit all day. On Saturday we ran as high as sec
    3 points
  40. This was our first ChampCar race and a very much last minute decision when we heard entries were down and the requirement to have run other races was being relaxed. My team are located in Indiana, Ohio and I'm in St Louis so it was too good to pass up. Our car debuted at and won the LuckyDog race at the Charlotte Roval a few weeks back finishing with a failing transmission and bad oil cooler pump so I figured it would be easy enough to turn around in a week once we made the call.... then I remembered all the other parts we used up at Charlotte and started ordering parts with express shipp
    3 points
  41. Those who are concerned about speed creep and things becoming free or reduced points should be VERY concerned about the events of last weekend.
    2 points
  42. Quoted so hopefully even more people see it. That's some next level poop happening right there. I've seen 12 year olds officiate sand lot ball games with more class than that. Remember to vote in the next Bod election.
    2 points
  43. All of this is grossly over complicating both the problem and the solution. Problem: Very high cost of unlimited tire consumption at a given event creates competitive distortion. Solution: Limit teams to (n) sets of tire per event. *Do Not* spec tires. (Do tire impound if you really feel like you have to enforce it that stringently or make penalty for violation lifetime ban for series, etc). This is a solved problem at the highest levels of racing. Do not waste time re-engineering an already solved problem.
    2 points
  44. LD statement: offering teams guaranteed stock in at least a dozen sizes, exceptional discounted pricing, expert support and $3,000 in free tires at every event! Tires have been an issue with Sahlens, R3R, now GBU and I think everyone recognizes that there is a budget separation between those that can run the hot tires and those that can only afford durable tires. Its an un-needed expense that can be regulated out, might as well do it and get more parity and everyone saves money in the long run. We already regulate out race tires for the same reason.
    2 points
  45. It’s not a loophole if only a certain team is allowed to use it. That’s not the right word to describe that scenario
    2 points
  46. Problem solved like the dirt tracks. Certified crate motors. I say its an LS....everyone can run an LS crate motor or risk getting claimed....i like this idea.
    2 points
  47. Thomas is awesome and very thorough. He also participates in champcar races unlike everybody else mentioned.
    2 points
  48. Welcome to the arms race. It has been going on quietly for a while, now someone has finally built a car to the limits of the rules with costs not a concern. Get used to it. Tire size is dependent on car power and weight. Banning a certain size tire only limits certain cars. Tire brand - well it used to be DOT rated. Then came along Yokohama A008's. Fast forward 20+ years and it was treadwear 180/200 and now look where we are. AER requires you change tires in the paddock, no jacking the car in pit lane. So they have car ripping through the paddock and c
    2 points
  49. I had Thomas drive to my house pre-season to tech our car. I can say our session was anything but what you described here. As a matter of fact he was very observant, and went through the car as it would in normal tech even added a few points for things I didn’t think would incur points. Then when we came to Nelson they went over the car one more time as they put it into digital form. We aren’t GBU on the other hand, although we are kinda a big deal (If you need a fix for spotted cow) Just wanted to share i thought from our perspective Thomas did a very fair
    2 points
  50. First of all I would like to say all the champcar people in management and tech and the racers have been super great and I really do mean that.But I think we are overlooking the ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM if what Troy says is true Bill Rileys tire bill is about double our expenses for the entire weekend of racing.I dont mind if someone builds a faster car or has better drivers,because I can work on my car to make it faster and work on my driving skills,but if I know I cant afford to buy tires to be competitive I will leave champcar and do something else.So what you might say just one team out of so
    2 points
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