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  1. Just wanted to add a note to address a few things I have seen come up already. As the Tech Writer, the fact that the tech desk is not updated at this time is 100% on me, and I apologize for that. I will be working on it moving forward to ensure the articles that were migrated to the BCCR are "retired" - no need for this info to be in two places at once. There is some timeframe questions to address however - For example, this article is clearly in the 2021 bccr, however it is not in the 2020 version. I do not think I should retire it until 01Jan2021, as otherwise there is a "gap
    9 points
  2. I think everybody wants everybody to finish. It's up to the team captain to spend their points on reliability versus speed parts to make that happen. If a captain chooses speed parts over reliability, that ain't champcar fault. If all reliability items become free so everybody finishes, speed parts need to be increased in value about 2 fold. In other words, you are simply asking for champcar to take the decision of speed versus reliability away from the captain. Edit to give a real world example... troy, your vpi is what 250? An oil
    8 points
  3. I applaud the clarity. Continuous improvement is a process not an event and this is a step in the right direction. The 2020 rules in effect for the championship mucks things up a bit, but I like the direction. A recommendation however is that the vision and mission are added prominently to the start of the BCCR. All rules should be interpreted through the lens of that vision and mission. If there is an interpretation that can go one way or another, the one that best aligns with the vision and mission should be used. I also wished some more of the fix th
    6 points
  4. Why cant we just get rid of points for anything that makes the car more reliable but doesn’t make it any faster. Lets say my cars vpi is 500pts. I want to put a better radiator on it to help cool the engine better. I take a 30 pt hit for that and that now costs me 3 laps. That radiator doesn’t make my car any faster to make up those 3 laps. We spend thousands of dollars to go to these races and that doesn’t include the cost of building the car. I want to run the entire weekend and not have to worry about overheating the car, starving the engine of oil, or overhe
    5 points
  5. So why can't they use OEM pricing? You get what you pay for usually. Seems odd that Autozone should be the quality level for a race car part.
    3 points
  6. What counts as "reliability" upgrades? Does it stop just at radiators and fluid coolers? I'm sure there are plenty of cars that have weak transmissions or rear ends made of glass or axles or hubs or some other component that is compromised in a race track environment that isn't fixed simply by adding a fluid cooler. Is all that stuff gonna be free too? Giving away more stuff for free ain't gonna stop those with money from outspending those without. They'll just find something else to spend it on. If your car has an inherent weakness, address it with parts, petition for a VPI adjustment,
    3 points
  7. I think i am not quite understanding your point. Coolers and stuff are available, for points. Use your points for them. I'm not talking about repurposing anything. If you chose speed parts over reliability, that is your call. If everything that is reliability is given for free, some of the top teams that are using points for reliability items now have more points to spend on go fast bits. That's my entire point.
    3 points
  8. I could not agree more and I think a lot of people agree, but some do not. I think a lot of people that do not need reliability items would rather have someone fail and them win then race to the end. I want to see people, myself included, finish a race and battle to the end. A customer who finishes a race will race again. A customer who blows up and does not have funds to race again may not race again, will cancel events and might quit al together. I blew up my engine at PIRC. I do not have the time to get another or the money right now to spend on the car as I used all my race f
    3 points
  9. So handing out free stuff weather its reliability or not contributes to speed creep. Who'd of thought? oh and adds to spending? We could cut a few pounds on our cars now with 5-7 pound alternators for free. oh wait, not really free just no points
    3 points
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  11. I have a HUGE issue with this, tech desk is making up rules that don't exist or contradicted other tech desk articles which is essentially making up rules without the petition process or board approval.
    2 points
  12. This is unofficial, written as the original author of the Radiator Petition. This is what the submitted petition stated: I knew it was a compromise when I submitted it. As stated, I would have preferred 2x. I didn't think 2x would pass the BOD Vote, so I was thinking outside of the box. Additionally, it should be noted (and could be observed from the petitions) that I am/was against allowing use of dealership prices as part of the 2x calculation. Therefore, my mindset for 1x/2x when writing this was utilizing the "nationally recognized auto part
    2 points
  13. The only way I see to give all this reliability stuff away is a comprehensive revamp of fixed point adders and Vpi for most cars. Otherwise it’s just allowing more speed parts and modifications. Cars that benefit most from the reliability mods would have to see the biggest jump in Vpi, one size does not fit all. Everyone wants to finish. Most everyone wants everyone to finish.
    2 points
  14. This only works if performance and go fast stuff is more points than current. Otherwise, I am 100% on board with this. The 450+ vpi cars are the only ones that c ant realisrically upgrade reliability without laps.
    2 points
  15. No you didn't. You lost time and money. You can also lose points if you spend the time to make something fit.
    2 points
  16. I call that one the 'riley rule'. I didn't see anything about the 50 point IRS swap in the rules, maybe i missed it.
    2 points
  17. ATL, there is no advantage other than safety which is why It should have been allowed before.
    2 points
  18. And my pre wash spray for the laundry...
    2 points
  19. It IS nice to see that a great deal of the tech desk rulings have made it into the rules! Thank you VERY much for that! You are all doing a damn fine job and make this series awesome! Thanks @Huggy @Bill Strong @BOD (I know this isnt a linked name) @TAC (same) @Ray Franck @National Tech
    2 points
  20. So I had forgotten this petition, when I saw that in the redline rules update I thought I would check on a few systems. Holy sheet, that stuff is expensive. Don't think I'll be doing a dry break anytime soon unless that unknown rich uncle dies and leaves me a few mil. Anybody else checked this stuff out yet?
    1 point
  21. wvumtnbkr - Thanks for offering your opinion. You post frequently and appear to know your stuff. Do you have actual first hand knowledge that your radiator interpretation is what leadership intended or is it just your opinion? Do you have any official standing or office within Champcar? Just curious. ( I don't know who all is sits on committees or boards) My opinion, is that "radiator greater than OE cost + 30 points" means 'any radiator costing more that what I'd pay at a dealer is 30 pts." The actual wording of doesn't say 'OE spec' OR 'OE Manufacturer'.
    1 point
  22. Especially if it’s 1x. Sometimes your better off with a tube of jb weld and duct tape than a new part from the zone.
    1 point
  23. Dood... I have been saying that to the bod and Mike for YEARS. The statement should be the guiding light!
    1 point
  24. Especially if it costs more money to not have the upgrades, for instance replacing hubs yearly.
    1 point
  25. 100% true. Now I need to go and spend a bunch of money on a new radiator and pay someone to install it. The point system is supposed to save People money, for some of us it backfired. I guess that will always happen with rule changes. I would suggest they keep the 2020 radiator rule for 2021 to give people some time. (They did a great job announcing the dash bar change in 2020, we managed to add one between races)
    1 point
  26. Naw. The Riley rule is the "create a combination that never existed" and somehow avoid all other rules which basically say you can't do it... Manual trans behind the 350 in the 3rd gen.
    1 point
  27. Well we just lost 20pts, so almost even enjoy the header...
    1 point
  28. I assumed it was more of a fuel spillage prevention rather than a speed issue.
    1 point
  29. Alternator All accessory brackets Starter Clutch Flywheel radiator(sort of) I just gained the use of approximately 27 points, which means either a header or 944S2 intake manifold for us.
    1 point
  30. I have almost built a rack just like that for 3 years now. Seeing this might be the spark i need to get my ass in gear.
    1 point
  31. The shock deal has the potential to get stupid really quick. There is one caveat that could really keep costs under control, but I’ll ask the tech desk first. If it’s what I hope it is, they screwed up writing the rules and there will be lots of money wasted.
    1 point
  32. This is what I'm putting in obviously not stock for a 2002 Focus. But last year this was 10 points with 2021 rules it's now 30. Just looking for why?
    1 point
  33. One of those let’s you do a single lap faster and the other one helps you run the entire race faster. Choose wisely
    1 point
  34. Our radiator checks out to be free. We get 10 free points!
    1 point
  35. Whats all these new parts? You could do wilwood 4 pistons before, but pay points for the bracket. So the bracket is free (1pts). Rotors where 2x so you could fit a huge rotor if wanted. I guess you could do 2 piece rotor now? Its that the benefit? As for shocks you could do Penskes in 2020, now you can do Revalved Penskes? Or whats the difference?
    1 point
  36. You are right they mention autoparts stores. That's a little odd, I try to buy OEM. I think it should be OEM pricing. If my radiator broke I would probably buy a OEM radiator for $280 instead of a $180 from Autozone. I am sure the tech guys will use common sense and make sure the intent is followed. (Imagine if autozone had a sale same day as tech and you all of a sudden gets dinged 30pts. Or someone said they bought the radiator in japan when the currency was different)
    1 point
  37. I always liked the idea of ChampCars basically being Improved Touring level cars with aero and big tires.
    1 point
  38. This beast keeps popping up on my YouTube feed... (and I really like that it does).
    1 point
  39. I was surprised to not see this as well... However, it is still in the tech desk. Curious that not everything that generic would make it over. That makes some sense, until you look at the fact that not every car needs those cooling upgrades. How is this accounted for?! It also tilts things in the favor of those with more money who can afford to replace engines and trans more often. And rear... This is supposed to be budget oriented, affordable endurance racing, don't put a gun to our heads and make us chose to spend more money or lose. Yes, coolers
    0 points
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