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  1. We are a team with 2 new builds and an existing build for 2021. We love Champcar for the great racing and tracks. That being said I am somewhat irked about how many free points are being handed out each year. I don’t want to have to go buy a new radiator, new alternator, new willwood big brake kits, etc. if these are free in terms of points, the best/fastest teams will typically (not always) take advantage and use them. This means I’m forced to do it as well if I want to be competitive and isn’t that what we all want. If reliability mods become free, I’ll have to buy an oil cooler, e
    7 points
  2. This applies directly to the GBU corvette. Factory starters on Ford/Mopar/GM in the 60s and 70s were giant and heavy direct drive units. GM varied the design into the 90s application dependant. Then for the last few years of the legacy Small Block (Pre LS) they switched to a modern gear reduction starter. A few different companies make conversion units that put a gear reduction starter where a direct drive belongs. There's no reliability benefit, but you shave 10+ pounds off the nose, and you gain clearance for larger exhaust. It is a performance benefit,
    7 points
  3. 14 pounds is more than just a little bit of a weight savings. Free weight is what you are able to remove from the car & chassis you shouldn't be able to buy a light weight part without being charged points
    7 points
  4. Starters and alternators that aren’t part of swap or original should be points. I have trouble understanding why it’s so hard to stick to the “there is no free part” rule it’s been there forever and keeps getting run over.
    6 points
  5. I wish I would have known what a shitstorm alternators and starters would be, sorry guys. So I've been educated on an advantage of a lightweight alternator is. Anyone got those same concerns about starters? I mean, they start the car. That's it. And they carry weight. We can make a 300 page rulebook if we want to carry this to the nth degree. BTW I have been in on those conversations about these items bearing points. There was no backdoor deal with the Board, that i can assure you. in fact we have a NOT unanimous vote on the IRS and the majority on the Board thought those i
    5 points
  6. You could run no starter for free. Bump starts would be a pain but that would be the lightest and freeest performance gain.
    4 points
  7. The board meeting went like this: Non Adjustable = 0 points Single Adjustable = 10 points Double = 25 points I even reached out to verify this and was told that was correct. The new rules do not read that way. I sent an email out to clarify this today. I guess none of this matters when we swap our single adjustable coilovers for some billies on the front anyways but i figured id try and see what was up with it.
    3 points
  8. You might get 3X the life as when the pads get low they wear exponentially faster. I went Wilwood for long term pad cost and having the same front and rear calipers I can use my half used fronts in the rear until I can use them all up. The cost benefit only takes about a year to save enough to basically get the calipers for free.
    3 points
  9. A stock small block chevy starter is 21.7 pounds this mini starter is 7.25 pounds. Pretty cheap way to save 14.45 pounds. A starter that's not OE should be points.
    3 points
  10. They can be smaller, lighter, and more reliable. No need for 300 pages. It's really a simple concept - if it didn't come on the car from the factory, it's points.
    3 points
  11. Bill, I asked a tech official about starters and alternators a couple of years ago and was told it was 10 points each. And while I have never lost a finishing position due to a starter I have had to push start our car a bazillion times which gets really tiring after a while. If these parts had been free for so long they should have been added to the FPV/free list.
    3 points
  12. I've spent a non-trivial amount of my career as a tire engineer for one of the major manufacturers - the Tire Rack guys know their stuff, but I have actual data (unfortunately that can't be shared). A tire on wider rim widths will be more crisp in terms of steering precision when compared to a narrower wheel. And the treadwear difference is not huge, but is measureable.
    2 points
  13. Agreed. We use an original junkyard radiator and alternator from 1990 with over 200k miles and stock brakes with race pads. We actually have a cheap ebay aluminum radiator in the garage but never install it because the stock one just keeps working. I know that we're lucky to have a car that stays reliable and cool in stock form, but the reality is that most of us can be competitive and have an awesome fun time at races without spending a ton of cash. We have no plans to upgrade those parts that are now free points because it's just wasted money and won't impact our
    2 points
  14. So the teams with a ton of money are doing all of this extra work for fun? This doesn't help them win?
    2 points
  15. I use a stock rad and it's fine. I'm not changing my alternator to save a couple of pounds. Wilwood brakes were always available, that hasn't changed. if your car is stopping fine now and you can get through a race, then you are set, just like always. You don't have to spend a mint to compete.
    2 points
  16. Sandbagging or Crawfishing will add one 2 laps. Unwritten racers law.
    2 points
  17. If there is no benefit, than nobody will do it. If people do it, there is a benefit. If it's not stock then it's points or captured in the swap rules.
    2 points
  18. Agian, WOW ladies and gentlemen. I agree with Bill Strong. It's a hobby. Champcar is an avenue for people like myself (amature) to come get the most for your money. For under $10k for equipment and $3k per race. I can do so many laps it will make me sick (2 person team - summer- no cool shirt). Please dont take the fun out of the series. Let's it be known for the best racing series for amature endurance racing. Take the lumps given and go racing as ladies and gentlemen. Oh, I get what the forum is. Its a place for racing therapy. Let it out here so when we do go racing. All is we
    2 points
  19. Show me two starters that weigh 14 pounds different from each other. Hell, I've never even held a starter the WEIGHS 14 pounds! You guys are taking this too far. That's my opinion, feel free to vote me off next year, assuming I even run again.
    2 points
  20. There are light weight starters. Everything should be points no matter how minimal nothing should be "Free". The rule book needs to be as many pages as necessary to properly describe a rule so it is understood with clarity.
    2 points
  21. See, that's what annoys the rest of us. "You" get your buddies on the inside to approve something for yourself, and keep it secret so nobody else can take advantage of it. If that's the rule, put it in the book so everyone knows about it. The tech desk (and open log books) is finally exposing these secret backroom handshake deals that have "always been there"... for those that knew about them (i.e. those that asked for them)
    2 points
  22. oh, cool. I didnt see that yet. THanks! It looks like the redline is for added stuff only maybe? The c3 corvette changed and it is not redlined. edit # 2: Just looked again and the redlines are only for added vehicles. THere are numerous changes.... Corvette, Maxima, etc... edit# 3: Mustang cobra now 550....
    1 point
  23. In my experience, boxing in the rad is way more important than which rad you run. i went back to stock to make room for a header in points and there was virtually no difference in running temps.
    1 point
  24. Incorrect, @Bill Strong posted it and there is very little to see. I find it hard to believe people are holding back on new builds pending something, the latest changes have caused no change of plans, heck, its given our new car more.
    1 point
  25. we have 2 sets of sawblades... I think I paid $200 for each set. We did have to get some fat spacers to fit, backspacing is much different than the stock rims. They are pretty light.
    1 point
  26. I'm going to withhold my decision to start a new build project until I see the red-lined VPI tables, but my first pass doesn't make me want to start. I don't really see anything in the new rules (like say a P/W cap) that will prevent a similar situation as to the GBU one, and frankly, I feel like the rule system is trying to serve too many masters at this point with the resulting distortions causing more problems than they solve.
    1 point
  27. Due to the local Moonshine festival in Dawsonville, I'd look towards Cumming for a tire store or a tire store on Hwy 400 away from town.
    1 point
  28. Simple... not stock component, not necessary for a swap, equals points. This has been the rule for years basically.
    1 point
  29. Wow. Can we stop with the “nozzle swinging contest”?
    1 point
  30. I have some fun stuff laying around too
    1 point
  31. F’n instigator. You probably have a commie flag tacked up inside your garage too.
    1 point
  32. Yes - as a matter of fact we were able to get our car into the Mall of America rotunda to display the car and promote the series in the early days along with the BIR performance driving school folks. It was awesome. I talked to hundreds, if not thousands of people that day and our car was more popular than almost any of the racing school cars because it was relatable to the general public ("hey, I used to have one of those!") We also brought the car to a couple cars and coffee events, and my teammate and I also worked a couple other local/smaller conventions in 2010/2011 Thanks for re
    1 point
  33. Paul and his Slugworks teammates were one of the early supporters of the series, regional Chumpsters I think they were called. You mention Bill Riley was on the BOD, but hey Paul is just an Instigator.
    1 point
  34. I guess zero is technically a point value... even though it is right around the same wording that says there is no such thing as a free part. I know you guys and gals are all doing an amazing job. Especially when we take into consideration that these are volunteer positions. However, saying no to most of these items would have made it a shed ton easier to manage and keep up with this monster.
    1 point
  35. There has never been a charge for alternators or starters. Until someone posted it to the tech Desk. Hell, I used a non-Toyota MR2 starter and Alternator for years, even asked about it. Keeps the costs down when I can use cheap GM or Jspec ebay stuff. an alternator or starter (unless you have an automatic?) has never won or lost a race in our series. As some in our company are saying quietly, some of you are taking the fun out of this hobby. All this just to win a bit of metal and no money. I agree . My opinion.
    1 point
  36. See my response below. This is the way that I think and the way that I vote in regards to items when petitions come up. The VPI is set and the FPV is there so that teams can choose how they want to build their car. So I think everyone forgets that Tech has the ability to assign points per the BCCR. These are interpretations. As I mentioned before earlier in this thread that the Tech Desk was created so there were no more emails going through the system and there was a check and balance with TAC, BOD, and Tech being on the same page.
    1 point
  37. I wasnt happy with the busy Road Atlanta map that they asked me to use. So I made a new corner map with the names and numbers. Even included the bend so you guys know not to crash into the tires at the kink. It's not GPS perfect. But it will give you a better idea of where to go. Download and print the attached PDF. Road-America-ChampCar.pdf
    1 point
  38. Thanking you for the oftentimes thankless job you guys do.
    1 point
  39. Real race cars don’t have ABS. Just cut the wire.
    1 point
  40. Ummm.... why would somebody change it then? An obvious non stock alternator is not hard to tech. If it looks stock or stockish, fine. If it looks like a racing style alternator, points. This wasn't an issue until Riley showed up with one. Why make a new ruling because 1 team asked for it?
    1 point
  41. Bump up for a winter project Price Reduction: $3000 OBO
    1 point
  42. Yes, but WHY? In September they were free....how? How did tech desk 5 points become free? I just don’t see a reason here other than “some big spender put an aftermarket alternator on his car and didn’t claim it for the 5 points and we didn’t want to bump him to 505 points”. Radiator change: petition was made, there are arguments about the benefits of changing the way radiators are valued / not valued. Shock change: same deal Alternator change: ??? Nobody on the forum was asking for free alternators. Nobody has publicly come forward to say “my car can’t
    1 point
  43. This is all I can find for my very niche car (which I might actually finish building this year): These are the only options I have found ranging from not available to $1030 and not available. Looks like C&R for me! In all honesty I feel like it would be good to just make the rule as follows: <=$300 radiator - 0 points >$300 radiator - 30 points ...or just go back to the old rule
    1 point
  44. I applaud the clarity. Continuous improvement is a process not an event and this is a step in the right direction. The 2020 rules in effect for the championship mucks things up a bit, but I like the direction. A recommendation however is that the vision and mission are added prominently to the start of the BCCR. All rules should be interpreted through the lens of that vision and mission. If there is an interpretation that can go one way or another, the one that best aligns with the vision and mission should be used. I also wished some more of the fix th
    1 point
  45. Some of us have a hard time keeping up with the new "free" stuff....
    1 point
  46. I think the bend adds about 8 seconds, so you certainly have a shot! @red0 must be hitting the reefer.. our fastest time at RA is 2:53.xxx, the engine swap isn’t going to take us down to 2:47.2
    1 point
  47. Just wait until it turns into 30 degree temps with sideways blowing snow and cold wet track conditions, then those southern boys will see what racin in the north is all about.
    1 point
  48. 94 entries at Road America in 2013, nothing new (other than entry fees up by $375) I'll bet you get a lesson in real racin from those northern boys
    1 point
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