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  1. 25 points
    There is no excuse for my behavior that will make it acceptable. I owe an explanation, at least as far as I understand it after trying to figure it out for myself. I came to Champ from a different series and limited understanding of the differences in the cars. My experience was with SE30 on track, and I made assumptions about Huggins' car based upon that knowledge. As you mention, having won 3 races in a row, there was chatter in the paddock like, "Huggins is too fast, he has to be cheating." Hearing that over and over again, and applying my mistaken understanding of what an m20 motor was capable of, I became convinced that it must be the truth. I was tired and angry, and wrote what I wrote. I reacted to the responses on Facebook, and it escalated. People have rightly criticized me for tarnishing Huggins' win with baseless accusations. However, Mr. Huggins, I think that in your response to this, you have given all of us a lesson in how to be an exemplary racer, and in fact strengthened your reputation. I have been told in private messages from many that you are a very open and generous team leader, and have been more than willing to help others along the way. Had I taken the time too get to know you and your team, I would have known that, but I didn't. I was all to happy to jump to conclusions, finding it far too easy to dislike someone I didn't know. I became something we all dislike. Believe me when I say this has led to profound soul searching. Thankfully life is long, and we have the opportunity to learn lessons, particularly when they come the hard way. For the second day, I am moping around angry at myself for my behavior. I think the best and most mature thing I can do is maintain a presence in the forum, and take the licks I deserve. I have been asked if I am interested in driving for the 24 hour race at VIR. The thought of showing my face is mortifying, but I think it is the right thing to do, and I owe it to the Series and the Huggins team. I hope that by that time, you will have forgiven me. I also hope that my comments don't reflect poorly upon SriRacing. I am saddened that my comments will surely mar your impression of SriRacing and his other drivers for some time. Please don't have contempt for Sri or his other drivers on my account, they had nothing to do with my outburst. I apologize for slinging mud at the series. I bear most of the responsibility for the tone of the FB posts as anybody, because I started it. I hope that my behavior in the future can mend my reputation. Also, I realize that I made another typo yesterday. Sri's cars have the m50b25 engines in them. I just can't get out of my own way.
  2. 16 points
    Wow. I bet Troy is enjoying watching this, at least someone else is in the hot-seat for a while. I am going to try and take the high road and not comment or express my feelings on some of the things said about me/my team. My one sentence on feelings is that I think all of us should take a minute to breathe before typing – some comments appear very critical towards Champcar the Organization, and others appear very Critical of Champcar Members, Drivers, Employees, previous comments, etc. I think there is a way to address these issues in a constructive manner without being aggressive. Sometimes, attitude is “assumed” more hostile through text (like the camera adds 20 lbs? or is that beer?) so I always try to check my assumptions when reading comments. Conversely, I always try to review my post for contextual attitude before hitting submit. I will be the first to admit though, I have gotten it wrong before. What happened: - We (Huggins) were “officially” protested after the VIR12 by the #300 Godzilla team captain Kelly Main. I never saw the protest sheet, nor do I know if it was formally presented to Champcar. I also do not know who provided the $50. - I was asked by Champ to remove the Cylinder head. - A facebook post (original post copied in this thread) was made by Jeff Bennett proclaiming we (Huggins) were cheaters and Champcar did nothing to stop it. Various other people chimed in. - Some of the facebook post has been removed/deleted (unknown by who), or I am unable to find it. I do understand there is a 300+ post thread running concurrently with the Forum thread, but I have only seen snippets sent to me by others. - Valve Cover Removal at Dana & Phil’s Request What did not happen: - Formal Protest after the VIRN8+8 Day 2. - Formal Protest after the RA14. - Formal Protest at VIRS12 from Jeff Bennett (Sri Rental Driver), Ben Dawson (Winsome Motorsports), Craig Guthrie (unknown affiliation), Aaron DeLong (Beast Mode), Charles Harding (Godzilla Racing) or anyone else involved in the multiple facebook posts. - Cylinder Head Removal I spoke on the phone with Kelly on Friday, 09Mar18 and had a 15-minute discussion. I wanted to express that I harbor no negative feelings because of the protest, and he indicated the same. Everything was cordial and I certainly look forward to racing against him and his teammates in the future. I also spoke with Mike Chisek last week. I expressed my regret for the existing controversy, and we discussed potential solutions at length. I understood from that conversation that Champcar is working to improve the protest rules because of the recent increase in its use, and is open to suggestions from everyone on how to do so. Just to be clear, I don’t see this as a witch hunt. We won three races in a row, so some debate is to be expected. Just like when the car survived @Wyatt, I take this as a sign we have a well-developed car. I have been open from the very beginning (see my build thread), and try to be inviting and friendly at the track. We always *try* to run in-car video, and that video is posted in a free and open channel for anyone to watch from home. I have had many discussions about the car, prep, building, etc with teams at races, including on Friday before the VIR-S race. I attempt and hope to present an approachable persona in the group, and improve the community as a whole. I would invite Jeff or anyone else to come have a chat at the next race. If it’s the day before, I’ll have a cold beer waiting for you. So, like I said above, skipping all the emotion, here is some data from the race. Moving Average is the average of all laps less than (Average + 3*IQ Range). I came up with this as a way to remove caution laps and pits from the average. Based on the data, It shows that we were only .5 sec/lap quicker than SRI67 during moving laps. Another thing to note is that SRI67 completed 474 laps. The primary results page shows 471, but if you go to the individual page and download the laps, you will see 474 lap times. This is a result of something that went on during the race, and I will let Jeff or SRI explain if they desire. Pit stops play a large part in the discrepancy of laps, as seen here: Theoretical Best Stop is (Fastest Lap*2 + 5:00 + 20 sec). I came up with the 20 seconds as a guess to the time lost to brake into pit in, and then accelerate onto the track from pit out. It seemed to work for all three teams – each team managed to beat the theoretical best time once during the race. It could be a timer error on Champcar’s part, or perhaps my 20 second fudge factor isn’t correct, but as luck would have it, each team did it the same number of times. The 20 seconds also accounts for using the fastest lap instead of the average lap, which is another choice I made since it seemed to work best with the data when I originally developed this analysis. Here are the Pitting specifics for each team: Huggins: (we pitted before the S/F so our long lap is first) SRI67: Godzilla: If you prefer a chart, My interpretation of this data is that SRI67 (Jeff’s car) could have been only 3 laps back if they had managed to meet the “theoretical best” pit consistently. If you consider that with the 3 laps down they started, they would have only been on the same lap as us at the end of the race. Godzilla took an extra stop compared to P1 and P2, so they were at a disadvantage to start with. I am not sure if they had an issue, can’t make 1:55, or gambled on cautions and lost. We lucked into two cautions that fell in our pit window. The first was right at the 2-hour mark, or 10:50 AM. From the data, it appears that both SRI and Godzilla also took advantage of that caution. The second was the 4th pit stop, around 5pm. The data shows that neither SRI or Godzilla took advantage of that caution. Because of that caution, we gained approximately 1 lap on both teams. Sum is the “Gap” time for the three laps from approx. 17:03 to 17:09. Laps is Sum/Moving Avg. SRI’s second stop at 12:45ish caught the tail end of a caution, however my interpretation shows that they did not make it into the pit until it was almost over (or fully over). The first 2 laps (blue arrows) are fairly equal for both cars. The “sum” is the values in the blue box, from 12:45-12:52 when SRI67 was in the pit. Godzilla’s second stop DID make some time up on the caution. I calculate they made up ½ a lap. The blue rectangle surrounds the values that are summed, and “Sum” is divided by the “average lap” as above. I did not include the first lap, as both cars appeared fairly equal. It does not appear that any other pit stops were affected by cautions. If you add the Lap we gained during the 4th pit stop due to caution to SRI67’s total, it appears that they *could* have WON if not for Pit stop execution, Cautions (luck), and the other issue. The reason I am sharing this hard-earned data is that I don't believe it is accurate or fair for either team above to say "cheater" when the very outcome of the race could have been different based on execution, not speed. Yes, we have a fast car. We have worked HARD to develop it and ourselves over the past few years. But we won the past three races by executing perfectly. For additional info, Here is the overall comparison of every lap <1.37 (the 3 IQ range) for both cars The red lines are approximate stint limits for both cars. Because I deleted laps >1:37 the lap numbers don’t line up perfectly. Here is the same data, sorted by smallest to largest. This is a new metric for me, it came out of ApexPE’s analysis following Road Atlanta. This gives a visualization of the consistency of each team over the course of the race. The flatter the slope, the more equal each team’s laps were. This club has come a LONG way in the past 5 years, both before I built my car in 2015 and after. In addition to the rules changes, we have over 11,000 race miles in Champcar alone to draw experience from. The car has improved. Everyone’s has. Cars that were competitive in 2015 are NOT competitive currently, unless they have “kept up with the joneses”. Also, we have benefited from one hell of a driver in the car a few times, who also happens to be a good coach. In fact, 2 of our drivers are fantastic coaches. We have all benefitted from my investment in Data. I have seen many references to Spec E30 in the thread. Champcar has many things Spec Cars do not, Aero, No Min Weight, ECUs, and wider tires to name a few. I don’t think it’s a good comparison.
  3. 15 points
    I think you guys are seriously stepping over the line when you're stalking this guy's FB page and posting the pictures over here. It's actually borderline creepy. I would think an "Administrator" of the series would have better judgement but from what I've seen in this thread I'm not so sure that's true. So now you're taking to attacking the racer who filed a protest. Congratulations for making the series look bad just a week after @chisek put up a Red Flag video espousing the inclusiveness of CCES. This should do wonders to endear the series to this guy and all who know him or may have considered joining us. S.
  4. 15 points
    Why do we need scales? This isnt a power to weight race series. This series rewards you for building you car better than your competitors. If I wanted to race in that type of series I would go sign up for WRL races. @Bill Strong you should stick to the media and marketing and let the National Tech Director do his job. Thus the reason we should havr a tech committee and put @mender in charge. Bill sounds a lot like the old JC and needs reeled in a bit.
  5. 14 points
  6. 13 points
    Abigail Lee has joined us this morning at 930 am. both momma and baby are doing great!
  7. 13 points
    Who knew the answer would be this easy? If they're good enough for the circle of trust, they're good enough for me!
  8. 13 points
    Cubic inch tester won't work for us. Our engine is metric.
  9. 12 points
    Our fastest driver is a good bit quicker than I am. I really need to figure out how he is cheating. Can I protest my own car?
  10. 12 points
    @Bill Strong, I understand your instinctual reaction to automatically defend the series as its your employer but, they aren't always in the right. Tankgate is a perfect example. The series has become very reactionary in handling issues instead of getting out in front of them. Tankgate should have never been a possibility. The scarier thing though is what if we hadn't come on here and created a shitstorm on the forum? Would the rule have changed or even been clarified? Or, would the secret handshake club still be in the know of that absurd loophole and be exploiting it? From @Jamies' post this protest situation was not something new for the series and still had no solution to address it 6 months later. Since nothing was brought up publicly it was just swept under the rug to deal with another day? You can try and attack the driver all you want personally but at the end of the day he was simply was following the procedure set forth in the BCCR and the series couldn't comply with its own set of rules. The series has chosen to take a on new brand/image of a more series race series which most find appealing. Along with that comes the responsibility of being able to operate as a more serious race series, rules enforcement and all.
  11. 12 points
    Maybe we need a petition to limit the number of petitions from a single individual to three?
  12. 11 points
    I'm just going to continue planning on running like 10th-15th place...at least I will be home in time for the next race...
  13. 11 points
    As a generality, I have to agree. Our cars are fast enough, and anything free will make them faster one way or another. If you aren't having to worry about oil temp, you will push harder. If you have more fuel, you will figure out how to use it to go faster. etc. etc. Faster cars doesn't make for more exciting racing. Sure, the first time you whiz by a guy with 30 mph closing speed you get to imagine that you are in a prototype passing a GTD, but soon after you realize that the speed difference creates an increase in the probability of expensive accidents. And we don't have funds rolling in from sponsors and TV rights that pay for those expensive (and sometimes injury-laden) accidents. In my opinion, the best way to have exciting racing without an increase in cost or risk is to have somewhat closely matched cars. Note the word "somewhat" is there on purpose. Having small differences among the cars (one has more straight line speed, one brakes better, etc.) makes it so that although basic driver ability is part of the equation, executing on your advantages in traffic becomes equally important. Variations in pit strategy due to fuel and other variables add to the uncertainty of the outcome, and thus the excitement (we all know that a movie where you know the ending is much less interesting than one where you don't). So to me, adding free stuff is not the direction we need to go in. We need to keep the rules stable so the guys that have the less-developed cars can see that it is worth the time and expense to more fully develop their cars - that will get us closer to "somewhat closely matched cars" and produce the excitement we all crave.
  14. 11 points
    Im going to write a petition to throw in the trash any petition that contains the word "free".
  15. 11 points
    Before or after you ballooned the tanks?
  16. 11 points
    At a WRL race at Barber (Eclipse weekend) , we were paddocked up nearby where Discovery Parts had their trailer. They most definitely saw the ugly evidence of a couple of trailer tire blowouts on the side of our car hauler. While we were gone one night, one of them came over and cleaned all of that stuff from the side of our hauler. I had previously tried kerosene, gasoline, diesel, acetone and brake parts cleaner to get that stuff of and nothing worked. It had been on there for a year. We did not notice it until we got back on the road after the race. I tried to contact Ron and thank him personally but never got a reply. I contacted WRL and expressed appreciation for having them there as well ...but I guess they never wanted any recognition for it other than the Discovery Parts sticker they put on the (now clean) hauler in place of where all of those black marks were that night. I'd still like to know what they use for that kind of cleanup. Those folks are friends of racing.
  17. 10 points
    Welcome to the club. It is hard to accept when another car is faster, and when its a common platform it's easy to start assuming things. I've been there too. As far as what was said in the posts, this internet thing we use is the best thing and the worst thing at the same time. Also, ChampCar 1) is less than 10 years old and 2) is trying to have their own approach to rules. There are rules I don't like but I expect these rules will continue to improve over time, and will be adjusted as we get more creative interpreting them. I watch NASCAR, NFL, you name it muck up the rules over and over so I try (but sometimes fail) to have realistic expectations. Does not make it any easier when you are in the heat of it. One other thing for all of us to consider as we continue to go ape-dooty over this new rule we need: Is this entire thing about P1 P2 P3? If it is I need to find someplace else to race. Sure I have been to the podium but I started in ChumpCar to do a 24 hour race and get that life experience. That has morphed into so many different experiences - like racing at MIS, Charlotte, Watkins Glen and COTA - places where I've watched races for years on TV and never dreamed I would get to race. My kids have been following me to the track for years and crewing - totally awesome! And there is always that race in the race - find that car that is close to yours and mix it up lap after lap. Doesn't matter if it's for position it's racing mono y mono. I've also met a lot of new people, made friends, and learned a ton about building race cars.
  18. 10 points
    We still miss the point. The Human element is still the biggest factor. When our Tbird is ready to race we will be competitive? Will we win? Maybe in 2 to 3 years. I have race experience. My partner is an outstanding fabricator, mechanic, teammate and overall a good man. But he does not have wheel to wheel racing experience. He drives an Evo. Enough said. I do not hold this against him. He is young. At 35 he has the character and wisdom of a much older man. When My wife was going thru chemo and I was out of country with work and my wife needed something he was there for her. Can’t put a value on character. So.......maybe with enough patience and race experience we may get to a point of being competitive. Who knows. A LOT of the people on this forum spend so much time posting what they think is fare, what is wrong and who is to blame we have lost why we race. For the fun and competition. A certain few want to bolt a cage into there perceived fast car, enter a race with visions of victory. When this does not happen it is a conspiracy of the series, opponents or their platform has an unfair disadvantage. When the real problem is in the mirror. Teams like Looney tunes, Son of Andre, GWR, Rusty Cougar, Mopar for life, Pinto Dave, etc do not witch, make excuses or lobby for a perceived rule change that will make there platform more competitive. If the teams that lobby for imaginary unfairness and non existent advantages of other platforms would wrench more we would not have these arguments over idiotic poop. I have been racing longer than many of my fellow forum members have been alive. Let me make this as clear as I can. They have no F—king idea how good we have it. They may never know because it is all about what they want and the rest of us can go to.....California. Racing is not easy. Most of the time it is not fare. Neither is life. Now do not put words in my post. Cheating is different. Also intent. If a team knowingly puts an engine in a car and tries to pull it of as something legal shame on you. If a team interprets a rule and is informed that they are mistaken then no harm nor foul. DQ from the race. Move on. Black magic your words are wise. Figures are easy to use to make any point. As was stated before if the fuel capacity is changed this will change the entire character of the series. To go fast fuel is needed. Control the fuel and control the speed. If we start playing with the fuel capacity it will never end. All the talk of speed creep is absolute B.S. Teams get better. Builders get better, series get better. Cannot change the law of physics. More fuel equals more speed. Now making the car stop and turn better is the key in this series. Not Horse Power. That is why GWR wins with a weesing BMW that makes what? 190 hp? Watch there videos. Misha is an animal. Watch Pinto Dave’s video with Mark. Wow!!! THAT is what is needed to go fast. Driver, preparation, execution, car. All the other sh-t is a waste of time.
  19. 10 points
    JC drank wine, not whiskey, and he was pretty forward about that. Mike has corrected (add/removed or reworded) almost all of the JC follies by now, and I trust his/the board's judgement to deal with this issue as he sees fit. I'm still thinking engine teardowns won't be happening - but more valve cover pulling, non-intrusive boroscope, compression testing, stroke measurement tools are in order.
  20. 10 points
    @Jeff Bennett Personally, I don't think you have a thing to worry about Sir. We are all pretty passionate about our racing endeavors, despite our amateur standing in the racing community. I trust our members will welcome you at any and all events you care to join us at. I know I will... Doc Waldrop
  21. 10 points
    From my SCCA experiences a long time ago, at the “national” level cheating is taken to an art form. In showroom stock, the winner at the runoffs was DQ’d as often as not. At the “regional” level it wasn’t as bad, but it still was widespread. One of the things that seemed to drive it in showroom stock was that you really couldn’t finish a race without cheating on your brakes. The SCCA had/has an incredibly elaborate governance and judicial process with as many checks and balances as you could hope for, but that just made the cheating very sophisticated. At the end of the day, the guys with lots of money could afford the ridiculously sophisticated cheating methods and won most of the races. At Champ, we don’t have the massive structure. We have what could be called a “benevolent dictator” model. Heck - there are only 3 full time employees according to Bill (I don’t know who the third is). I think the model we have is working pretty well, and costs WAY LESS to administer than the SCCA model. I know there is a lot of frustration among some folks that we have rules in the book and no game plan for them. I just imagine JC drinking a tall glass of whiskey and writing all of those rules and I think “he didn’t know what he was going to do - he was going to cross the bridge when he got there”. So now Mike has inherited that, for better or worse, and he and his tiny team are trying to sort it out. I trust that they will figure something out. It won’t be perfection though. If you want perfection, you really need to head over to the SCCA for that. It won’t be any better in the end, but at least you will have unlimited process and procedure and everything perfectly documented. Oh - and an hour of race time will cost you what 8 hours costs you in Chump.
  22. 10 points
    Yep every time a protester is drug through the mud and made to look bad, chastised, and generally run out of town on a rail it's another nail in the coffin of trying to have competitors be the rules police. And it's super special when one of the chump staff is leading the charge.
  23. 10 points
    I remember when I first start racing in ChampCar for Ronald's Racers, we got accused of cheating. Then I moved to Huggins and then we got accused of cheating. I've done a few races for Ballenger so far and they immediately got accused of cheating. Then I did the iRacing league where all the cars are exactly the same... and then got accused of cheating. Well I guess that goes to show how realistic iRacing is, Haha!!
  24. 10 points
    This tech sheet log book thing is so tired and old. Just do it, it has to be there if we are going to have competitors be the fricking police. Its not hard, its so fricking simple its ridiculous If you need a couple words in the rules like, "bring your damn current tech sheet with you or run EC" add them.. The on-going excuses to make this sound hard have almost caused me to pass out my blood pressure is so high. Breathe deep, Carry on.
  25. 10 points
    Who are we afraid of alienating? A. There’s the guy who made it to impound and is not going to remove his head so he can keep a statue welded to a brake rotor trophy. B. The guy who says someone is faster, so he must be cheating. Or C. the guy who thinks there is no rules enforcement? You can’t please all of the people all of the time can you? I can’t see a teardown ever happening, unless you get a really smug car-builder who really wants to prove he is legal. I personally would just walk. I’m a grumpy old bastard and at the end of a 7 hour race, would tell ya all the series aint worth the cost of a head gasket (that’s in the heat of the moment, I really love you guys more than a head gasket) Right now, there is no penalty, beyond DQ for refusing to teardown or even going to impound. So whattya going to do? Suspend somebody? The whole team? The car? There are plenty of places to race and CCES loses revenue. The best solution I can think of is to Whistle the engine and tell everyone when a car is close to or above the expected number. Maybe a little bit of public shame will keep away any serious cheaters. I guess we could do a crude stroke check with a hunk of coat hanger wire or a wooden dowel, and if the measurement is too close to call, say that and let things stand. In my opinion there isn’t enough reward in winning one of these races to either cheat, or to protest.
  26. 10 points
    My chump car...is still being built. Made an attempt to buy one from a forum member and it din't work out. So.. I'll start here. 74 Charger. Keeping it street legal and Chump worthy. Buying a twin to this one that is already racing up north. So, instead of renting seats and trying to rush into this year at Daytona, I'll see you there next year! I keep somewhat of a build blog at: www.ratrageous.com
  27. 9 points
    And this indifference to the rules is why you can't build a podium car for under 2k anymore. When things had value and weren't free racing was cheap. You know what else costs a lot of money? Rules changes. The word 'FREE' in the context of chump just means I run one less event because that money goes into buying the 'Free' stuff.
  28. 9 points
    Without getting into the MR2 value debate, you're missing my point. It would be foolish to think @MR2 Biohazard's successes are purely down the car & platform which is what some people seem to believe. Speed is critical. Huggins is also a very fast car. Speed however, is just one part of the equation. Execution is the larger part of the picture that seems so often neglected. The races that @MR2 Biohazard and @Huggy have won were down to speed, reliability, strategy, driver consistency, team work, etc. It's just too damn easy for teams to point to speed as the sole cause for success. It's frustrating to see these teams dump thousands (or perhaps tens of thousands) of hours into all of the critical elements to win and see people come along and claim it's just a formula issue or that they won just because the car was fast. How many years of development did it take Chris before this winning streak? How many years of development did it take before Troy was winning in his car? How many years was @Bill Strong racing his fast MR2 and how many overall win trophies does he have? I've got 4 years in, a seriously fast car, and my team has poured their heart and soul into this with no overall win trophies. (We've also had a great time just showing up and racing BTW!) It has honestly been a long road to get my team to understand the importance of execution and that no, that pit stop was NOT fast enough. Keep practicing. We took something like 5 minutes changing a front wheel bearing and 10 minutes changing a rear wheel bearing at RAtl. It took us too long. Others were impressed by our speed while we immediately started working on tools & methods to make those parts live longer and improve our service time. We lost an alternator at VIR North. We saw the issue before terminal failure and got all the tools prepped before the car came in. It took us too long to change (some felt it was impressively fast) and so we went to work to improve reliability & service time. People are stubborn and think you just need a faster car when what you truly need are all the other variables that make winners win (including some luck ). It's frustrating to know that our first overall win will likely be marred by protest and chatter of cheating on this forum that neglects the overwhelming time & effort these successful teams have put in to reach this point. My best suggestion to people reading this is to go spend time on your car to make it reliable. Make sure you are building to the rules. Practice pit stops. Work on your analysis tools and take hints from the best examples you see. Look at results analytically and get out a spreadsheet to figure out why things happened as they did. Chris just showed you how in detail regarding pit stops! Get on the simulator, read books, watch videos, and improve yourselves as drivers. Improve your tools and pit setup so you can execute rapid repairs. Learn as much as you can about reading tires, plugs, shocks, etc. Hell I'd bet a lot of teams are racing on blown shocks, poor tire setup, poor balance, and can't quickly change basic parts on a car quickly. And have you seen the difference between a solid team's pit stop and a low performing team's pit stop? I've watched a few and it's a night & day difference at this level of racing.
  29. 9 points
    In regards to huggy team feeling the heat instead of biohazard.... The biohazard car is scrutinized because it is several seconds a lap faster than all other cars at the same event. That ain't strategy or race execution.... It's apples and oranges.
  30. 9 points
    Those A-class cars keep getting stuck in the grille and mess up the cooling.
  31. 9 points
    There won’t be a solution until everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, gets past the fear of inconvenience. It should be the absolute right of any competitor willing to post an appropriate bond to be able to verify that a competitor is legal, especially since we’ve been told over and over that it’s a competitor-policed series. Will there be folks that have have to pull legal motors apart? Yes. Will it happen more than once? Absolutely. Will it happen at every race? For a while. Eventually the bar for legal performance is set and the protests die down. “Gee Fred, that BMW sure is fast. He MUST be cheating.” “I dunno George. John had him taken apart at the last race and they didn’t find a thing”. If we don’t get a grip on this quick, it’ll be just like the fuel tank deal. As I write this, there’s someone, somewhere, already planning to put his illegal motor back in the car. Why not? No one is going to check. If you’re legal, you wear the cheater tag like a badge of honor. You negotiate the bond as high as you can, take it apart and pocket the cash, all the while knowing that you’ll soon be vindicated. I’ve been an SCCA guy for 25 years. I can count the engine protests I’ve seen on one hand. The reason for that is because the threat to take someone apart is real. Chuck Newman Chattahoochee Motorsports #828 Miata
  32. 9 points
    I posted my pedigree, (BMW CCA, NASA, blah blah blah) to provide background. A way to let readers get to know me. I didn't intend it as a brag. Zach, your post is incredibly mean spirited. I hope it made you feel better to make fun of me. I never claimed to be a racing God. I just claimed that I have been in big races and know when a car is driving faster than it should be. Yes, I do think that there is something fishy about an m20 engine beating an m50 engine. I started the race in the 67 car, which doesn't have aero, and Huggins' car was faster on the straights. Could it be the drivers or the undertray? Maybe. But the intent of the FB post was to complain about the lack of enforcement of the rules. I have put my money where my mouth is, so I don't find it constructive for people to be trolling me or calling me a whiny baby. I am a racer, like everyone else, and I am surprised that I have to be attacked both here and on Facebook when all I am trying to do is follow the rules and file a protest. Last year was not my rookie year. For what it's worth, I didn't race enough races with BMW to get rid of my rookie status until this year. To set the record straight, this is my 3rd year racing, so I am just one more year away from being world champion. Give me a break! The original complaint was failure to enforce and test the rules. That complaint should never be met with disdain or ridicule just because a driver may be new. Talk about old boy's club! People accuse me of saying "he beat me, so he must be cheating." That was never the motivation behind the protest. The protest was "it seems implausible that a stock m20 engine could be that fast." That was the protest. That was what was written. There were no sour grapes. I don't mind losing in a fair fight.
  33. 9 points
    I have been bitting my tongue on this because I didn't want everyone to find out engine mods are free now but I think its time I talk about it. Over the summer at Buttonwillow @Alchemy Autosport (aka Miata Pi) worked with Das Idiots and plotted to stage an engine protest on ourself. We wanted to see if it was possible to even get an engine protest. We knew we were legal but thought the news of engine protest would hit the internet and scare the couple cheaters out there straight. After the race we had a member from Das Idiots file a protest on Miata PI and Champcar said they didn't have the time or tools to do so. The Das Idiots explained they just wanted a simple simple borescope check, with a borescope that they provided and to pull the valve cover. Champcar refused, wouldn't accept the money or the form. We were all a bit disappointed and flabbergasted. So after that I decided engine mods are unenforceable and therefore must be free? Morally correct, no. Its a shame that @Huggy is the one going through the hassles of being accused of cheating, I was happy to see them do well in the series recently (though his option on JDM motors isn't my favorite). My gut feeling is that they are probably just really good drivers and have a different FD. For what its worth @Wyatt drives for them and he is so fast in iracing that I also think he is cheating in that :). I'm also upset to see my friends at GWR( @Hi_Im_Will) get pulled into this when they weren't even at the race. I can tell you that they are just better drivers and race engineers then the majority of you. Now, I am happy this drama is happening and not just because I love drama but because I hope that what results is that @chisek's usually fair and not knee jerky series gets some procedure or ruling about how to protest engines. I don't envy your job I'm guessing you don't want this to be a SCCA/NASA series were we have every little thing being scrutinized and tore down but at the same time you need to make it possibility to enforce the current rules. Honestly I think the free ECU rule change ruined this (only for OBD1 cars), the stock ECU rule used to kind of act as protection from crazy engine mods but now its wide open. Surprise dyno runs for the top 6 cars seems like a good idea. There are enough tracks that have dynos on site for this to be coordinated with relative ease. Good luck, I totally think that you have what its takes to make the right decisions.
  34. 9 points
    There is a lot to unpack in this thread. I'll start with the accusations. I have raced with the GWR team for around four years and I have raced against the Huggins team many times. I can make a few observations about their car: They have been developing their car for many years now and VIR is their home track, so I expect a strong performance from them there. They also have a strong driver lineup. I am pretty sure their first race win was at VIR North in December of last year, so winning is pretty new for them. I also know they had many podium finishes before that. They seem to be running the 4.10 rear end vs the stock 3.73. Watching videos of them side by side with the GWR car, they appear to shift into fifth much sooner while going same speed. I think they have enough points for a diff swap, but I have not seen their tech sheet. This may explain the perception of them having more available acceleration out of certain corners. They have gone through at least two iterations of their aero package. When they first debuted their aero, they did not have a large enough splitter and had to run their wing at a negative AoA. That was later fixed, which shows they have done actual aero development on their car. I also don't understand this assertion that aero adds a lot of drag. If done right, the drag increase is negligible. There are also opportunities to reduce drag overall. If I remember correctly, SRI does not run rear windows. Pretty big drag penalty there. They appear to have built a pretty stout engine that is tuned using a megasquirt ECU, so I wouldn't be surprised if their M20 makes more power than an untouched junkyard M20. They were pulling on GWR on the straights at Road Atlanta this year, but I know that GWR has been having persistent ECU issues that are limiting their power potential. There seems to be a lot of rules complaining and protesting lately, but there also has been more cheating too. Watching someone put more fuel in their car than expected is sufficient evidence for a protest. Noticing VQ30 valve covers on a VQ35 is sufficient evidence for a protest. The "I'm a really good driver in a really good car and Johan Schwartz agrees with me that there is no way they are legally faster than me" protest seems like a pretty crappy way to go about things. I am starting to get concerned that Champcar is going to cave to all of this poor behavior and we will end up with a ridiculously long and complicated rulebook and higher race fees due to the need for sophisticated testing equipment and additional staff. I feel that the easiest way to cut down on people taking this way too seriously and cut down on cheating is to re-instate the MOV penalty laps that carryover for the next two races you enter. I don't understand why this was ever removed, but it will allow more teams to win and discourage teams from cheating and spending too much money on continuous development. This allows Champcar to automatically adjust over-performing teams without the need to adjust an entire platform to the detriment of under-performing teams with that same platform (Huggins and GWR E30's vs a one-race-a-year E30 team). At the same time, I feel we should open up internal engine modifications that are difficult to police. If teams want to develop fast cars and build fancy race engines, let them! Penalty laps will be waiting for them at the finish line. For the Championship race, all MOV penalties should be temporarily removed to see who the best cheater team is! As long as the following stays true, I don't think speeds will get out of control: 180 treadwear limit on tires fuel capacity rules stay the same 2 hour max driver stint 5 minute pit stops Radiators, oil coolers, and intercoolers still cost points Maybe add in a "no race fuel unless you drive a Maserati BiTurbo" rule in there for good measure
  35. 9 points
  36. 9 points
    The things people do for old brake rotor trophies....
  37. 9 points
    We'll be there. @Choray911 knows Nissans and loves to bitch about constructively criticize stuff.
  38. 9 points
    @VegasNick or anyone else looking at radio systems: Do yourself a favor and push the easy button - get one of @Shawn Sampson 's basic 5 watt digital systems that are now on sale. https://www.sampsonracing.com/Digital-Starter-5watt-Package-for-2way-complete-p/digital-starter-package.htm We did a lot of research before buying, and figured that a good digital system was out of reach price-wise for us. But, we were lucky enough to snag one of the 4 systems that Sampson brought to Laguna Seca last year. They only sold 3 at the race, and Shawn offered up the 4th set to the 1st taker through a forum ad here. Even before we used the system, one of Shawn's guys, Ben, called to discuss frequencies, future system expansion (antennas, digital mobile units for the car instead of handheld, etc.) Ben spent 20 minutes on the phone patiently answering all my questions. (And yes, Ben called me - before I even tried to make contact!) I'm happy to say that when we used the system at Mid Ohio and at Road America last Fall, we had absolutely no issues with comms at either venue, just using the ducky antennas that come on the handheld units. The radios themselves are tiny, which is nice when they're hanging off your belt/pocket, etc. One of my SCCA buds that ran RA with us looked at them as if they were toys, and insisted on bringing his radios in case we had reception issues. During Friday practice, we verified good comms all over the track, and he put his stuff back in the truck. I can't say enough good things about Shawn's product quality, and his support and tips here on the forum from time to time. And as I said above, the customer service is 2nd to none. I'm confident that this system will work anywhere, and if it doesn't, we have the option to upgrade the antennas to do so.
  39. 8 points
    Hi everyone! (Hope this is an OK place to put this). I've been floating around asking some questions and finally got around to building our first Car! We're starting with a 1992 Suzuki Swift GT. I've been a Geo Metro fanboy for years and this is the Mecca for all Metro owners. I was able to score this one dirt cheap locally and decided to use it as the foundation for our first ChampCar! It's in pretty good shape overall. Great compression and only one rust spot (rare for Central Alabama). We finally had our first "Team Day" and started stripping it down last night and accomplished what we set out to do! Planning on pressure washing the entire car today and then will start working on suspension! Our goal race is Barber in December. Hope to see y'all on track! Starting with BEFORE: And AFTER!
  40. 8 points
  41. 8 points
    Cage going into T Bird. Hope to finish it this weekend.
  42. 8 points
    I might even just keep a protest sheet in my car so when Huggins blows by me at Daytona I can just throw it at him when I give the one finger point-by. Better keep your passenger window down homie. As one of the teams that gets walked by these fast ass e30's, I'll chime in. Maybe I look at it differently, but I just see it as something to strive for as opposed to the cheaty angle...but that's just my sunny disposition.
  43. 8 points
    Can I help write it? (I better put this in green so everyone knows its sarcasm) Identify the issue as you perceive it: "pro" drivers make all some of the rest of us look bad and slow and the car they are driving look cheaty Identify, if possible, your understanding of why the current rule or process was initiated and put into place: currently no rule Propose a solution or revised rule: "pro" drivers shall only be allowed to run 9/10ths of the capability of the car they are driving. Provide a list of the positive changes and/or rationale for implementing the proposed solution or revised rule: 1) the rest some of us will feel better as it will appear we are driving faster - more like the "pro" since we have closer lap times 2) protests will be allowed to be requested against the "pro" driver. Upon protest, a d$ck measuring contest will take place between the protestor and "pro" driver (in a warm and dry place as not to skew results due to a cold or rainy environment). If the protestor is found to have a smaller unit (measured by the angle of the dangle compared to the size of the shaft), the protest will be thrown out and the protestor will be made fun of publicly for their small unit. If the protestor is found to have a larger unit, they will be publicly humiliated for being slow and feeling insecure and the "pro" driver will be allowed to drive at 10/10ths during their next races until protested and upheld at which time they must return to 9/10ths.
  44. 8 points
    Yet again a bunch of requests for fuel capacity and free reliability parts, all of which are claimed not be a performance enhancement. Yet another boat load of whale blubber. Anything allowing longer runs, or improved reliability allows one to either push harder or operate longer at a car's full potential is absolutely a performance benefit. IMHO, the allowed freebies and modifications for minimal points are already too much and have driven speeds and costs up. My $0.10 has been sent to Board.
  45. 8 points
    $1 for the plastic tube; $999 for knowing where to put the lines.
  46. 8 points
    The forum was getting pretty dry. Glad we have some good content now. Carry on
  47. 8 points
    The " Whistler"( Katek) works well and on any engine. SCCA uses it all the time on National races. It is very accurate for engine size (+-2CI) ,and pretty accurate for compression. +-.5. Real world , Any bore that fits in the stock block is not guna be a deal breaker/ world beater. Stroke can be measured down the hole with most if not all center plug engines easy. For VW style 2 valve engines a coat hanger can tell the difference between the stroke options , as they are 10 MM apart. As are the BMW 2.7 vs 2.5 , easy check . Compression on the other hand is a valid concern IMHO. I I CC all of my SCCA engines assembled, and can be done in the car with the nose lifted a little. The center plug 4 valve cars( Miata ) can also be done the same way. You need a burette and you have to know the actual CC of the jug. BTW a cranking compression test also shows well compared to the factory manual. The VW shows a valid book test at 140to 175 cranking compression. The race engines show about 230 @ 12/1. At the least we should require factory manuals for the engine as installed.
  48. 8 points
    I have been waiting for this to pop-up on here. Champcar needs to find a solution soon. The issue was not "figured out" last Saturday night. The person that protested was told by tech that the protest "could not be accepted because tech did not have the tools to check it". This can become a very big problem.
  49. 8 points
    1.2.1. The BCCR shall govern all ChampCar events sanctioned by ChampCar. ChampCar may revise the BCCR or issue supplements to it, and all rules stated herein may be amended at any given time, in writing or verbally at any event (and put in writing at a later time), at the sole discretion of ChampCar, based on maintaining safety, equity in competition, cost reduction or clarification.The interpretation and application of the ChampCar Basic Club & Competition Rules by ChampCar officials shall be final and binding 1.3.6. Unsafe Vehicles: At ChampCar’s sole discretion, any car may be determined unsafe for competition and may be removed from the event at any time. 3.5.1. All competition cars must have an SFI-approved window net mounted to the cage of the car only. 3.5.2. SFI-CERTIFIED ARM RESTRAINTS OR ROOF NETS ARE REQUIRED in all open (convertible) cars and/or cars with t-tops or sunroof openings. SFI SPECIFICATION 27.1 EFFECTIVE: OCTOBER 11, 2006* PRODUCT: Window Nets 2.3 The useful life of the Window Net shall not exceed two years and must be replaced at or before that time. (Rules revision) Champcar will allow the use of window nets, arm restraints, and roof nets for four calendar years, the same as we do for seat belts. SFI harnesses list a year of manufacture, and are good until December 31st four years from that year. FIA harnesses expire on December 31st of the year of expiration sewn into harness. Any attempt to modify the date(s) on any belt are grounds for immediate team disqualification, without recourse or refund. This will be written into the BCR along with any other updates after the review of the petitions by the board. Phil McKinney Director Tech & Safety
  50. 8 points
    That's the way Jack always points me by