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  1. 35 points
    In case you wondered, I am following this (and all) thread. A lot of talk is put into the petition process, but really the best way to give and get ideas is through talking. I spend a lot of time walking the pits and paddock at a race to not just say hello, but get ideas. This forum is another great place to have those conversations all the time. I know people are waiting to see what happens next, what will I do with this ship. Those of you who race with me a lot in the East already have a pretty good idea of how I think. Those of you who don't know me, well, I'm cheap. I never had any money when I raced (and I still don't have money, I have three kids), so I hated the idea of having to spend money for no reason. I was attracted to ChumpCar because I could buy a cheap car, cage it and then race. Clapped out shocks/bushings/springs and all. There have been comments that stuff can't be taken away now that it's out there. It can. It probably has to. There is no new free stuff. Stuff needs to get more expensive (points). There is merit in the statement that we need to be able to accept cars from other clubs, and we will look at that, but we're not going to change who we are to bring cars in. If we are tight on safety, speed and cost, and that bars another car from joining us (like a GTA car) then so be it. We can't be all things to all people. What frustrates so many of you, in a broad sense, is that ChumpCar has been trying to make too many people happy at once and this has led us to our current state. So in a way, I'm sad that as we refocus who we are, we are likely to lose some members who decide they don't like who we really are. We will miss those who leave, but will welcome new teams who join our ranks. With time, previous members may rejoin again as their life situation changes or their opinion of racing does. If you read through all the comments from the past week, does anyone think there is a solution that would make everyone happy? We, or at least I, have always understood that ChumpCar is not the perfect racing series for everyone. Some need more seriousness and speed, while others need to slow things down and be more laid back. There is a place for everyone in 2016. We will focus on who we are, market that image to the outside world and put on races for those who like what we offer. I'm left with the difficult decision of when to start changing the rules. One part of me says we have changed them too much over the years and we should just run with them unchanged for a year or two, while the other side of me says they are so out of whack right now that we need to get in to our new groove asap. The new MPVs will be published here in a few days so that may in and of itself force my hand, but I really believe that an abrupt rule edit is not in our best interest. I believe the rulebook needs to be gone through carefully, always checking ideas with our vision, until a set of rules are developed that govern the long term vision of ChumpCar. Mind you, our safety rules will not soften and our format as an endurance club will not change, so what we really are talking about is how we value cars in an effort to create close racing. We've done a pretty good job with that so far, but we need to keep the cost of racing down and therein lies the challenge for valuing cars. Continue the conversation, I'm listening....
  2. 31 points
    Hey, just thought I'd give a shout out to Gainesville Tire which is about 3 miles west of Road Atlanta. After our truck got ran into by Cone Crushers and cut a stem / ruined a tire, we mounted our two spare wheels / tires on the truck in the pits. We had two new unmounted tires in our trailer. I happened to run into Randy Pobst in the pits and I asked him if there was a close place to get our two new tires mounted on our wheels. He told me to leave the track, turn left, and go about 2 or 3 miles and Gainesville Tire would be on the right. He was dead on (as usual). We took off and I walked into Gainesville Tire wearing my Killer Tomato driving suit. I told the dude in the office that we were in the middle of a race at Road Atlanta and asked if they could mount two tires for me quickly. The dude jumped up like his arse was on fire and began shouting orders to his minions. He told them to take care of what I needed and to do it quickly. I rolled our stuff into the shop and they began mounting our tires. They actually cut us in the front of like 7 or 8 other regular customers. They actually pulled wheels / tires off their machines to start doing ours. They cleaned our rims with brake cleaner, applied the stick on weights inside, and put heat shield tape over the weights. The dude even allowed for the weight of the tape when he put the weights on! They really knew what they were doing and they obviously are racer friendly! They cut me a cash "racer discount" out the door I went. Just thought I would mention it here on the forum for future use.
  3. 28 points
    Okay, so we completed our first race. The S10 fared 33rd out of 101 who ran. Not bad. I'm proud of the truck and our team. It was a great weekend. The weather was perfect despite The Weather Channel and despite the snow chaos that sandwiched both weeks before and after the event. There were some wrecks and some destroyed cars, but as far as I know, everyone thankfully, walked away. Did I have a blast? You bet your sweet ascot. I've NEVER raced anything...legally. I enjoyed racing, driving hard, pit stops, the smell of rubber and unburnt 93 octane, 100% gasoline (our truck was running rich so we didn't completely break down the entire hydrocarbon chain), passing cars, laying rubber, and consuming car parts that a sane person wouldn't have to change for 50,000 miles of normal driving. However, there's an aspect that came out of our first race I never expected to discover. Since last weekend, my race partner and I have discussed this at length. We enjoyed the pure, unperverted freedom that came with the event. I can't speak for where everyone works, but ChumpCar allowed us to experience what real teamwork is, what real success feels like, where at a moment's notice split second decisions MUST be made for success, where indecisiveness and selfishness can't and do not exist. There is real fun, excitement, and joy. Where you can share this with family and friends. Where EVERYONE there shared the dedication to fun and safety. Safety at my job is a BS mantra. However, I witnessed many folks thinking and doing things concerned about their safety and the safety of other teammates and other teams at Road Atlanta. Danger is real at a race. Everyone's dedication to safety at such an event with so many cars, at such a fast track is a testament to that. In a big way, it all seemed like everyone was on the same team. We saw teams lend other teams spare parts, lend advice for race strategy, driving in a competitive but safe manner, pick-up trash that wasn't there's and cheer for an over-zealous driver that kept his car from nailing the wall in the first test session. No one wanted to see anyone destroy their racecar they've worked so hard on. Now that life is back to normal and I'm back to work, it makes our first weekend with ChumpCar seem like a dream. One I can't wait to live it again.
  4. 26 points
    Good afternoon. I just wanted to take a moment to introduce myself and give you a little bit of backstory on RVA Graphics & Wraps and why we are sponsoring ChumpCar in 2017. My name is Justin Andress and I am the President of Woodfin Oil located in Richmond Virginia. We are are home services company that can repair/install most everything in your home. Our company was started in 1975 as a home heating oil distributor, delivering fuel to residences throughout the Richmond Metropolitan area. While we still deliver heating oil we are also masters in: heating/cooling repair and installation, plumbing, electrical, whole home generators, home security/automation as well as propane delivery and servicing most all propane fired equipment. We also have a retail division, PitStop, that operates 26 convenience stores with fuel. In order to serve our customers, we have a fleet of over 120 vehicles ranging from service vans/pickups to heating oil trucks. As part of a re-imaging marketing effort, we wanted to wrap our entire fleet to make these trucks rolling billboards in our market. Once I discovered that the the vehicle wrap business has a ridiculous markup, we purchased the equipment and hired a few folks to do the work in house. The savings paid for the equipment after 30 or so vehicles, and we now continue to wrap our fleet as new vehicles come in as well as print signage for our convenience stores. A few years ago we branded the wrap shop RVA Graphics & Wraps and began to do work for many business in the richmond area. The reason I wanted to give so much of a back story is that I want everyone to know that RVA Graphics & Wraps is by far not our only business, in fact it exists primarily to allow us to market more efficiently and economically for our main business. As such, we are able to do things for folks at a substantially reduced rate compared to our competitors as we don't have to "pay all of the bills" out of profits from RVAGFX. As such I was excited about the opportunity to be a sponsor with CC so that we can offer not only savings for our fellow racers, but also let folks know that we can do MOST anything that they can think up. ChumpCar needs a lot of things printed for us racers and I thought it would be a great way for RVAGFX to be the provider of those items as well give our fellow racers a source for all of their graphic needs, race cars or not. As I mentioned at the banquet, we have wrapped everything from a Zamboni to the entire City of Richmond bus fleet. We have done race cars as well, for both club and professional level racers. Obviously we have enjoyed the ability to wrap our own ChumpCars as well as most anything else we could think of, which you would appreciate if you have ever seen our pit box. RVAGFX has had a basic website for quite some time, but we are now finishing up the final touches on an e-commerce site that will allow folks to order and pay for items on the site itself. I apologize that this process has taken longer than I had hoped, but we should have the site up & running by the end of this week. After talking with Mike, we are also going to supply CC with items such as number panels, windshield banners etc to have with each region at the events so folks can purchase them at the race as well. We are also working on items like event specific decals to be handed out at each event to put on your car, toolbox or whatever. We are also going to give away prizes like helmet wraps, hood wraps, logo decals or "Fathead" type wall graphics of your car. Obviously those cannot be printed ahead of time so we will be giving out gift certificates at the races and winners can order items from our site. Our team, Schultz N Co, is made up entirely of folks that work here at Woodfin, none of whom are professional race car drivers (probably didn't need to tell you that,) nor are we even involved in the racing industry, but we all love ChumpCar for the ability it provides for guys like us to race at truly epic racetracks. We enjoy the fellowship of racing along side some very tough and fair competitors who also are not looking at this as a ladder to make it to IMSA. We have been racing with Chump since 2010 and we want to do everything possible to ensure ChumpCar continues to thrive and folks like all of us continue to have the opportunities that ChumpCar provides. If you have a question about how much a specific item costs, or a specific order, please use the website to communicate with the folks that run our wrap shop. If you ever have a general question or suggestion about how RVGFX can be of assistance, please shoot me a PM. Best, Justin Andress (AKA Schultz)
  5. 25 points
    Don't let anyone tell you things can't change, including going backwards. Reference prohibition in the 20th century. I have never had a problem admitting where there are problems and owning my own mistakes. I didn't write the current rules but I'm the first to point out their shortcomings. I'm also in a position to correct the ones that need attention. We can edit the MPV table and we already are. We can clarify the gray areas and we already are. We can take away the free stuff and we will. I started in this series as a driver in it's first year. I remember where we came from. I know who we were created for (hint: it wasn't for pros with unlimited money). I have not been placed in my new role to sit and watch, I am here to whip ChumpCar into shape and bring us back to our roots - affordable, real racing for the average Joe. If you've got ideas/concerns you'd like to share, call me. I've got a vision for us and you can be a part of it.
  6. 24 points
    I'm not so sure I would agree with this statement. The new management has been in charge for 7 days now. While I may be the only one active in this particular thread, there are more than 10 board and staff members who have been working late nights all week to make changes to this club. New website, up. New registration system, nearly complete. MPV table edit, ready to post. Rules, under review. Board meeting scheduled for the end of July. We all knew what had to be done around here, we just couldn't do it until July 1st. It took six years to get to this point. We plan on fixing it much faster than it got messed up, but we'll need more than a month.
  7. 23 points
    I think ChumpCar should go to the following class structure: Whiny ass bitches who endlessly complain about unequal PWR will be classed as WRL. Whiny ass bitches who endlessly complain about unequal lap times/lack of qualifying will be classed as AER. Whiny ass bitches who endlessly complain about not having not enough racetracks or who live west of the Continental Divide will be classed as LDRL. Whiny ass bitches who endlessly complain about anything else will be classified as Lemons. The rest of us will race in the ChumpCar World Series class. /firesuit on/
  8. 23 points
    I never got to get out other than for a few test laps, so I have no first hand insight into the driving at this year's race - but after reading some of the banter here I'd like to share my perspective. Chumpcar is built on the premise that any driver and any team is welcome as long as you meet the basic requirements. I built a slow but safe car, and have for each and every race had drivers that have never done any racing before - in several races even drivers who have never set foot on a racetrack even as a spectator. This has perhaps been dumb, but they have for sure got memorable experiences! A few of us have got hooked, have done more races and gradually been getting better (not good, but not quite as clueless either!) and we just decided to upgrade to a car that will keep up better with the rest of the field. Now - the as the slow teams with poor cars and poorer drivers, we do have a lot of responsibilities. I talk at length with each new driver about what I expect. I try to select drivers on personality - will not again do the mistake of bringing on "a friend of a friend" who couldn't really handle that his lap times were slower than the rest of the team. And I let the drivers know that they will sit out if they don't behave out there. Mistakes are OK, everyone will do that when you're new, but just don't behave like you are racing for the win. Leave room, give point-bys, follow other slower cars around behind them to see what you can learn. I always tell that "any contact is your fault - even if you get hit it is because you have placed yourself in a position where you could get hit." To the 'Vette team that has got your fair share of complaints here - you know, realize that this is for fun and make sure to let cars by. At the same time - over the years it has bugged me a little that there are some of the good teams and good drivers who seem to want to forget that this is a grassroots series. There are no licensing requirements. No age restrictions. No vision tests. You have a pulse and a driver's license and you are allowed to drive. There are some fast drivers who do not really leave room for mistakes by the newbies and make passes that are just stupid (two wheels off, 3 cars wide up the climbing esses rather than waiting for me to give you the inner line at the top of the hill?) The funny thing is that it is not the best teams that will scare the wits out of you. I don't know how many times I have been passed by the Simon Integra over the years, and never have I seen any lack of patience or a poorly timed manouver. They - and other great teams - accept that my position isn't the best, that my speed is slow, and that I'm not 100% predictable. Unfortunately there are several other teams who seem to think that this is the Chase in Nascar, and that the poorer driver should either just drive off to leave them room or perhaps just that they should get scared enough to never bother to show up again for any future races. As team captains for these fast but intimidating teams - perhaps you should think about reminding your drivers about the old saying "with great speed comes greater responsibilities"? Knock on wood - we've done races since 2011 and have had only one tire scuff on the driver's door. No dents, no offs. So it is possible to do, regardless whether you are fast or slow. Now, let's all sit together, holding hands and sing Kumbaya!
  9. 22 points
  10. 22 points
    What are classes hurting folks that have no interest in em, I say not at all What are classes doing for those 50% that are interested? Lots! Leave it be and move on, its good for morale, they paid the same dues/fees to get to the track didn't they?
  11. 22 points
    Before your time Newbie..... there once was a giant onslaught of E36s that came thundering out of the lakes of Minnetonka. ... the villagers feared for there lives and took up sickles and hoes to fend off the marauding horde.... Just in time The White Knight of Wine Country arrived with his (some acronym ) to slay the evil E36s. ... Many an E36 died on the sword that season but the remaining survivors agreed to give up their quest for domination and became sod farmers. Planting seed in hopes of one day being treated as fairly as the rice and corn farmers were treated. But alas it was not meant to be as the distant cousins of the E36s , those known as the E30s, seeing the opportunity to wage war all the while being lumped together under their Bavarian moniker with less points assessed began to intermingle and breed with the E36s creating offspring with the heart of the E36s and the soul of the E30. (Some say the E30 has been touched by the hand of God) These lion hearted offspring went forth and prospered..... and the villagers again cried out for help.... but The White Knight wasn't listening anymore.... he was distracted with giant fire breathing diesel dragons and shiny waxer hot rods..... so the lion hearted ran amok through the countryside all the while knowing that the E36s would be blamed......
  12. 22 points
    Good morning passionate racers! I've read every single post on here so far (quite a few I must say) to get up to speed with this conversation. I'll be on the forum most of today to keep up with your questions. So, a few points to get us started: - This proposal was not written or championed by John Condren. It was written by a Central region Chump who emailed it to me. I then worked with it for months, testing it and polishing it, trying to find weak links. I also sent it to a few people along the way for their input and help. The calculator you see is the fruition of all of that input. - Many of you posting in the first six pages have mistakenly deemed this new proposal law. It is not. It has been posted up to get feedback from everyone. Should we find that there are glaring errors in the proposal, they will be fixed for review again or the whole proposal will be dropped. - Someone had the question about transmissions and axles. They are not part of this proposal. - Despite what the email read, IF this was voted in to the BCR, it would not take effect until 2017. - Those of you that surmised that this is designed to limit the power to weight ratio of competing cars, you are correct. The closer you get to the limit, the steeper the curve and the faster points are added to the MPV. No secret there. The reason for the web calculator is that the formula is in Excel and it takes up a lot of room. The web calculator makes it cleaner, but I have the Excel file if you are interested. - This proposal does have the side effect of making things easier for tech. They have a difficult job and anything that can be done to help them more fairly assess your car is an improvement. So this proposal is in front of you because you asked for it. Yes, I know that this exact formula is not what each and every one of you asked for, but the collective voice of the forum was unhappy with the current ChumpCar swap formula and wanted something better. Last year we had conversations about how to improve our swap formula here on the forum. That was a 20+ page conversation (this is bound to break that record) and this was one of the ideas to come from it. Here's the thing - ideas tossed out on the forum can be great, but they need to be followed up on. I only received two emails with well laid out proposals. If you have an idea that you are passionate about, put it on paper. Work out all the variations (not just your car). Email me and teach me it's merits. And be honest about it's limitations. There were limits to the current proposed formula that we were able to address. I'd like each of you reading this to remind yourself that this is not law. Gather your thoughts and opinions on it and submit them here for all of us to read and comment on. Do not be negative or threatening. Let's all find the weak links and figure out how to fix them. If there are too many issues, then let's come to a consensus that this formula is not going to fulfill the purpose of improving ChumpCar and kill it. I understand now as I did when I was working on this that there are a few of you who have cars that will be negatively affected by this. Try to look at the proposal and all the comments objectively and ask "while this sucks for me, is this better for the club?". If not this solution, then what? Because I strongly believe that doing nothing is not an option for us.
  13. 21 points
    Do you have a teammate who hasn't paid their annual membership yet? Or a driver who can't make up their mind about attending the next race? Does this driver come to your house, drink your last beer, eat your last slice of pizza, and promise that tomorrow he'll know more about his availability to race? DOES TOMORROW NEVER COME!? We can't help you with your friend, but we can make your life a little easier. As of today, your Team Captain can register your team for a race without having to pin down every beer swilling miscreant on your roster. Now you'll need just one driver to get your car entered, and you'll be able to flesh out your full driver and crew rosters at any point later on. Why not try it out by signing up for a race right now? We have a bunch of other improvements planned for a complete revamp of the www.chumpcar.com website in the near future. No more dual scroll bars! Easier payment options! Easier registration! Free kittens! (Excuse me just a second......what's that?) OK, the killjoy lawyers are telling me there won't actually be any free kittens. But all that other stuff will be coming soon!
  14. 21 points
    The swap calculator thread just made my head explode .. and I'm only about 27 pages in, lol. Hi, I'm a newb to both Chump and your forms. I'm also a NASA refugee with 3 years experience helping with, and ultimately running, regional timing and scoring for 2 NASA regions. I competed in TT (time trials) within NASA, and was in the process of building an ST race car before I fled. I like the idea behind NASA's power to weight but observation has led me to believe that it doesn't really work at equalizing cars with significant differences in power and weight. Based on what I've seen in NASA, I think the outcomes in an endurance racing environment would be even worse. Fundamentally, as implemented by NASA, the power to weight system puts small, light-weight cars at a significant disadvantage. The ideas I have seen tossed around the in the 2017 calculator thread look to be re-creating many of the same problems that exist within NASA's system. This will be a long post, I feel there are a number of points to address. While not exclusively related to the power-to-weight topic, I think I'll start this with a brief discussion of the "let the expert panel figure out what swaps are worth" suggestion. In NASA the "swap guy" is Greg Greenbaum. NASA's TT (time trials), PT (Performance tuning), and now ST (Super Touring) rules are all essentially rules packages heavily influenced (some would say even built by) by Mr. Greenbaum. Do they work? Yes, but they tend force you to build a car in a very specific way if you really want to be competitive. You can do it Greg's way, or wine about being someone else's traffic, the choice is all yours, really. Also because Greg does not have a completely transparent system for assigning values to swaps (in PT and TT), there are always quietly whispered complaints about favoritism or selective bias. The problem may be as simple as people who have more direct access to Greg getting significantly more "hidden" information and thus making better choices about their builds. Regardless, the system feels subjective, and no one has been able to prove that it is not, so there tend to be a few who like it (and have figured out how to get to go fast) and a larger body of others who would like to see something objective and transparent. This will be a problem with any dictator or panel that is allowed make individualized judgments on swap or car values. What's the fix? Probably an objective system that has a mechanism for fixing the values that are broken with input from the masses. That does seem to be what is going on here and I like that. But fix the real problem, if a specific chassis needs help fix that. If a specific chassis is too strong, then adjust that as well. Should small, light weight cars be allowed to swap into an engine with two to thee times their original power and still be under 500 (504?) TCV? Common sense says probably not. Also remember it is not possible to effectively regulate team and driver skills or money, and both can be used improve lap times, pre-race preparation, and race results. I observed NASA's struggles with all of these issues. Power to weight issues, part one. A pure power to weight system could easily force people to build cars within a narrow set of parameters that are specifically tailored to those rules to be competitive. NASA has this problem. In the NASA rules system, at least when I was participating, small displacement cars were placed at a significant disadvantage. Power to weight may work in an autocross setting, but straight power to weight fails to account for drag, which becomes a significant factor at race track speeds. The faster the track the more the small displacement, low power cars end up being punished. The problem with the NASA system is that after a certain speed, far more of a car's power goes into overcoming drag than weight. Less power means lower top speed and less acceleration at higher speeds. At one point in the past, the competitive ST2 cars were jokingly called the "Corvette Mafia". The problem was that within the NASA power to weight rule set, the C5 Corvette was essentially the perfect platform for that class, and despite ST2 appearing to be an "open" class with options, none of the other options worked quite as well. The answer would seem to be a system that gives proportionally a bit more power to small cars, but still keeps overall power (and speeds) in check. Power to weight issues, part two. Peak horsepower alone doesn't really measure the power delivered by an engine. An engine's power capability is really measured by total power under the curve. NASA's system also tended to favor broad, low RPM power bands and really punish low torque, high RPM engines. I like to think of NASA's system as them believing how tall you are (peak wheel horsepower) combined with how much you weigh would allow NASA to predict to fast you can run their (40 minute) sprint race. That perspective doesn't take into account the runner's percent of muscle mass and leg conditioning (area under the curve). For endurance racing it also doesn't take into account stamina (fuel capacity). What's the answer? I don't know. My gut tells me a fuel spec tank would help limit the stint lengths of big cars that came stock with big tanks, and possibly help cars with small tanks, but Bill's MR2 might be a problem. A stock MR2 has a long skinny central tank that allows the balance to remain almost the same despite fuel level. And since this would seem to be all new territory for Chump, it would probably start it's own holy war. As for measuring power under the curve, some consideration of torque is probably a good answer. It does sound like this is already under consideration. Power to weight issues, part three. Not all weight is equal. Breaking it down to math, a car's ability to go around an idealized corner is determined by a formula based on its track width versus its center of gravity height for any given amount of tire grip. The same amount of weight transfer always happens despite the stiffness of springs and limitation of body roll. While a car with less body roll is easier to manage and recovers from weight transfer events more quickly, peak weight transfer at mid-corner is essentially the same between a car with a small amount of body roll and a car with a large amount of body roll. (As always, if you look hard enough you will find exceptions, but most of those will tip over on a race track.) What this means is that for any given target vehicle weight, it is better to move weight from the top of the car to the bottom of the car, and shift it around the chassis for better balance. In NASA this a very expensive practice that is becoming more common in PT, TT and ST as rules specific, purpose build cars are being completed. If Chump start to manage car weights too closely, then moving weight from the top of the car to the bottom becomes a competitive advantage. Teams with more resources (shop time, money, engineering skills) will be more able pursue this strategy. In NASA this widened the performance difference between casual racers and people who were willing to invest in winning. What's the answer? I don't know. But I have seen NASA's reliance on race weights turned into a competitive advantage by the teams with the most resources. Is there a way to give small engines a bit more of performance boost than large engines while keeping close to the current system? One thought I had was to adjust how upgrades like intake manifolds and exhaust headers are currently priced for TCV. Instead of a single price per item perhaps charge for those items on a per cylinder basis. If headers were $10 per cylinder then a 3 cylinder car would cost $30 in TCV, a 4 cylinder $40, 6 cylinders would be $60 and a V8 would be $80. Small engines would be more able to afford additional upgrades and still stay under the TCV cap. Turbo engines would probably need to have that cost factor doubled. A good turbo install will greatly increase power everywhere under the curve, and very clever cheaty one could be designed to give a small boost to peak HP while creating a mountain of torque and pushing the car's competitive power band down the RPM scale .. think WRC cars. Rotaries could probably be priced as four (or five?) cylinder cars and still kept in balance. An alternative to using per cylinder pricing could be to use displacement, but I suspect that is more open to argument and harder to verify. Physics dictates that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Human behavior oddly seems to follow a similar pattern. The more rules you have the harder it will become to police and verify them. Enforcement is a significant problem in NASA. It is impossible to know every cam profile, suspension pickup point, bore and displacement, combustion chamber size, valve diameter and seat configuration, sway bar thickness, spring diameter, coil count and length, etc. Even a spec series can get into deep trouble with creative interpretation of rules; the spec Miata cylinder head fiasco comes to mind. And engine ECUs are the absolutely the wild wild west. there is no guarantee that the at-track dyno reading will reflect what the car's on-track power will actually be. Press the gas three times quickly while stepping on the brake after turning on the ignition with the gas pedal about 1/2 way depressed, then wait three to five seconds and start the car, there's the super secret race tune.. any other combination gives the "real", dyno approved tune. Just be sure to cycle the ignition power on the power panel on your cool down lap. It's already out there. NASA at one point was looking at attaching accelerometers to cars without the teams and drivers knowledge as a spot check. Slap the box on as it rolled onto the track to start the race and collect them as a car lined up for post-race weigh-in and/or impound. I'm not sure how far that went, but I know some of the unusually fast teams didn't like it. I'm not an engineer, statistician, professional car builder or (rules) lawyer. I'm a guy who's in the process of building a new chump car and team, and wants to come race with Chump, as do the other team members working with me to get our car on the track. We like the spirit of Chump, we want to race within the rules, and we're building a car with an engine swap. I like the new calculator, it gives me an objective set of targets to work with that are not too complicated. The old system also worked for us, but I did have to talk one of our members down from wanting to use an engine that would have significantly bumped our power. It would have been legal to the letter of the rules, but I suspect it would have earned us, especially as "new guys", some raised eyebrows and probably a few penalty laps. I would prefer to avoid that.
  15. 21 points
    I'm happy to hear that most of you enjoyed the race at NCM. We will be back next year. On the subject of sharing venues with other orgs, it was believed by John two years ago that this sharing concept would save us money that we could pass on to the teams. It has been anything but. Financially speaking, the tracks end up increasing our track rental cost due to the additional space that we use (East, West and skid pad at NCM). Insurance costs go up and I have to bring a larger staff in to handle the load. After all is said and done, our net is the same as if ChumpCar was there by ourselves. Logistically speaking, more cars and people mean a tighter paddock and more compromises. Some of these are built in by us, and others are imposed last minute by a track. Either way, it can be uncomfortable. For the rest of this year, the East region has sharing events at CMS and VIR with ChampTruck. We have no more co-events with the USCA. For 2016 John and I have already discussed an end to co-events with any other group. USCA and ChampTruck will move to hold their own events and ChumpCar will go back to taking care of ourselves.
  16. 20 points
    Not to beat a dead horse here, but this is Chump car racing. It is designed to be cheap and accessible. You may be out on the track with someone with 50 races under there belt, and another who is in there first stint with wheel to wheel. You really need to think about that with every pass, car approaching ext. If you get upset when someone does something that is not within the bounds of race craft etiquette your blood pressure will be through the roof midway into a stint. If your more accepting that this is what it is you will be more relaxed and probably be faster and safer. Every racing organization (chump, lemons, wrc, scca, nasa) has different styles of driving and experience levels, to me I akin it to driving in different country, once you learn there rules of the road, it makes sense. I assume, most people are here for fun. Since you should be doing this for fun, and want more people to join, you also need to be tolerant of beginners and mistakes made by others. That means, yes you may have been cut off ext, and/or loose your position, that is just the good with the bad. If your here for ego reasons, or a rotor trophy with a warlock on it, your entry fee is probably better spent on a psychologist.
  17. 20 points
    I like a post like this. If anyone doubted the author's intent, it was not to criticize and throw mud - it was to offer insight and suggestions. But what I like best about these posts is not the specific content, it's the fact that they are here. Here on the ChumpCar forum offering suggestions for improvement. Here hoping that someone will listen and fix the problems. Why is this significant to me? Because when I have given up on companies in my life, I never look back. If people who used to run ChumpCar are still here participating in our discussions, then that tells me they believe that what is broken in ChumpCar is not beyond repair and they look forward to the day when they can come join the rest of the ChumpCar family on track again. That's good news to me and a goal I can work towards.
  18. 20 points
    Good question, good topic. While the rulebook states there is a two hour driver stint limit, you are all correct in showing how, in the absence of a definition in the rulebook, an RD can apply the rule. We advertise a race will run from A to B, say 9am as a start time. We send cars out a few minutes before 9am to check your transponders and hopefully get to throw the green flag at 9am. Usually we are a little late, say 9:05am. The driver stint time should not start at 9am because the race hasn't started yet - the race starts on the green flag, both in the timing computer and in reality. For this reason when I am asked at a race "when does our 2 hour driver stint time begin?" I tell them the time at which we dropped the green flag, or in the aforementioned example, 9am. Which reminds me, a race will always end at the advertised time. It's a contract issue. In regards to the start of a driver stint, the time is measured from Pit Out time to Pit In time. This would be actual time spent behind the wheel for the driver. Fueling and repairs on pit road do not count towards driver stint times. We obviously do not have two additional loops set up at PI and PO, so our driver stint calculations are close but not precise. We know where the pit loop is and where you are pitted at and we use this info to either add or subtract 5 minutes off of your lap time to determine when you left pit road. We can also see if you short pitted (less than 5 minutes). Towards the end of a race, there is also a time at which any car leaving pit road is good to go for the duration of the race. In other words, if you leave the pits at 2:01pm and the race ends at 4pm, we know that your last stint is automatically within compliance. Knowing that there is a few seconds of error built in to how we calculate pit times, and the fact that we are not racing for Million dollar purses, I have always allowed a grace period for driver stint times. This period has been the equivalent of one lap. If a lap at the track in question is 2 minutes, then a team would have up to 2:02 for a driver stint before I would issue a black flag. The penalty for going over on a driver stint is 4 minutes. Hopefully this clears things up for you. If you ever have a question about timing or event rules/policies, you are welcome to stop by the control tower and ask myself or Dana a question. Try not to ask me during a car fire though, I probably won't answer.
  19. 20 points
    I wanted to open a discussion sparked by the "Come to Jesus" meeting during the Road Atlanta race. I was not in the car when the race was blocked flagged but of course attended the meeting with the rest of my team. What was said was 100% valid. From the reports from our drivers and what I saw in the first stint and subsequent reports it was needed. It was good of Mike to pull the reigns in because while no one can guarantee it would happen but it seemed like we were going down the road of a massive accident at some point. And then the meeting was over and someone blurted out "Novices need to watch their mirrors". And this comment, which was also yelled right after the first driver's meeting needs to be addressed. In my opinion this train of thought is why at some races we are seeing the aggressive driving. The 'fast guys' and 'fast cars' for some reason think they are the owner of the track and everyone else should get out of their way. Guess what... it is the job of the person MAKING THE PASS to handle it safely and over and over again while in the driver's seat I watch the much faster car dive bomb and muscle their way past a slow car. I am not the best driver but I have a lot of laps racing and instructing at Road Atlanta so it's a track I am familiar with... and honestly a lot of the driving was awful. I drove the 8:30-10pm stint and would have assumed after a meeting like that the driving would have improved. Boy was I wrong. Two situations stand out. I won't single out any cars specifically of course. Don't think that is necessary. I came down the esses with some single car about 5 car lengths back. I setup and took the standard line knowing he would then slingshot past me coming up the hill. NOPE... he choose to go two off driver's left before the hill. His lights were not even up to the driver's door... so I guess it was 'his corner' in his mind. I had to adjust my line mid apex to move over so he did not hit me. Why? How is that 'passing safely'? Few laps later I exit turn 7 with a few cars back in 6 that I saw coming quickly. I exit turn 7 and drift back to track right so I am on the outside going into 10A. Give everyone plenty of room. I run down the back straight about 1/2 a car width off track right. Three cars approach and two go left and the fastest decides to swerve to my right and pass two off in the grass on the back straight. That was his 'safe passing' decision. Flashing through my mind is he is going to lose it and take me out... THIS is the kind of mindset that is causing these issues in my opinion. If you are the 'fast' car then use your speed and skill to safely go around. Not muscling your way through via a bullying move that is either "MOVE or we are making contact". Everyone thinks they are The Stig but some should reel in their aggression.
  20. 20 points
    I really think this club based thing where members can propose and make rule changes is a bad thing. Ultimately each idea will be benefiting the the proposer in one way or the other. From the outside looking in this series could be viewed as chaotic and unstable. Sadly we have only ourselves to blame for it. I would love to have the dictator back.
  21. 20 points
    I like this. I'll edit my posted supps to reflect the deadlines this week.
  22. 19 points
    Thanks for the input on the window banner. Attached is a mock-up of what I think looks much better (thanks for the input Hi_Im_Will). I also spoke to Mike and he is ok with folks running whatever color they want after I shared with him that we started running a window banner to differentiate our red E30 back in the day from the other 7 red E30's in the race. So we can print them in whatever color you want, and taller than 5" if desired and even throw in a small logo to the left or right if you absolutely have to rep your oven mitt sponsor or whomever you have convinced to help fund your team. All of that custom work for the low low cost of $10 plus shipping.
  23. 19 points
    This should be considered an open letter to all of the Chumpcar Community. I am Mickey Carter, the car owner and team captain for the teams formerly know as GFY and FY2 Motorsports. We have really showed our donkey this time. As the team captain the actions of the teams or individuals of the team are my responsibility. Starting with the races at Road Atlanta in December 2012 our cars have been involved in way to many incidents on track. After Road Atlanta I put a lot of thought into what happened regardless of all the smart donkey answers from me and my teammates. I do take it seriously. The drivers I had this weekend at VIR consisted of two previous drivers and one new one. One of them will never sit in one of my cars again. one might get another chance and one might not. Regardless its obvious that I failed in communicating to them that they were not to wreck other cars. Even after John Condren kindly summoned my to the stewards stand and consulted with me. My warnings to them were ignored and again serious contact was made and we were rightfully parked for the rest of the event. I want to apologize to the entire Chumpcar Communinty, including staff , competitors, sponsors and the people that might just work on the cars. I would like for my cars to be neat in appearance like some of the cars at VIR this weekend. Just because its cheap doesn't mean it has to be a pile of ____. After all the abuse mine have taken and dished out they look like they don't belong at a road course. In the future my team will show due respect for the other cars and competitors. I will not allow anyone that sits in one of my cars to damage my cars or anyone else's. My policy will be to take away their next stint and if it is a problem again they will just not get another chance. Thanks Mickey Carter
  24. 18 points
    The answer is coming. We discussed this question sitting outside a hotel in KY last month. It was mentioned that a car should be the benchmark for performance that all other cars in the MPV table were judged against. The end result being that randomness and cost to acquire were eliminated. We settled on a car and in all of our re-evaluations recently, we checked every car against the benchmark. We used actual performance on track, as well as power/weight and fuel capacity. Did we get it perfect? I can promise you no, but I'm sure you guys will be willing to help us tweak values further. Good news is, most values went down. Did anyone really think that a Buick Regal was a 1000 point car?
  25. 18 points
    I think there are now more manual trans SC's in Chump than were actually sold by Lexus
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