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  1. 39 points
    I think your question is legitimate. ChumpCar has existed for quite a while and has changed much since it's inception. While some of that change can be directly traced to me since I have taken over, I have been around since the beginning and have seen it all. Let's be honest - ChumpCar was founded by a guy who was liking what he saw in the 24 Hours of Lemons and started his own version of it. $500 junkers and track time were the core of the endurance world back then. The problem was that the world had a "Lemons" experience already and they didn't need or want another one. Lemons does what they do well. People who didn't fit it with the Lemons business model were looking for something a little more racey and polished (cars that is). ChumpCar quickly became that place. Along the way our tracks filled up with BMW's and Miata's. To this day, these are the two most common cars on any track in any club. Why? They are good and they are cheap. Building a winning race car is difficult for a pro, almost impossible for an amateur. One way to make it easier is to start with a factory car that is good at racing. There is no shame in picking up a clean used E36, paying a guy to put a good cage in it and then go racing. It is better that a new team joins our sport that way than give up trying to build or track a random car their neighbor gave them. It's really no different than Samsung and Apple dominating the cell phone market. There are plenty of other choices in smart phones out there but almost everyone out there buys a Samsung or Apple. Why? They work well and the aftermarket supports them. While BMW's and Miata's make up much of our fields, there is still plenty of variety on track and on the podium. Take a look at a few of our recent podiums: Sebring: 1 - Lexus SC300 2 - Porsche 944 3 - Mitsubishi 3000GT 4 - Toyota Supra Buttonwillow: 1 - Miata 2 - E36 3 - Miata Gingerman: 1 - E36 (318i) 2 - Neon 3 - Civic I for one like the variety and the close finishes. One lap separated 3rd from 1st at Gingerman. One might argue that all or most of the cars listed are expensive to acquire and this is evidence that we have lost our roots. But what should they be driving? Is there a list of cars that are acceptable for budget racing? In the end wouldn't every team want to build the car that gave them the best chance of winning a race or that they can buy the cheapest or enjoy the most? Ultimately people will choose from what is available in their part of the country. This selection varies. While Datsun's are popular out West, you almost never see them East of the Mississippi. Bad car choice? No, they just rusted away years ago with the salt and humidity out here. But I digress... The cars have gotten nicer, cleaner and faster since 2009. Some of this is due to the fact that we don't require cars to cost $500 anymore. So whereas in the past you had to find and race a $500 E36, now you can buy a $3600 E36 and race that. Some would say this is a problem, that we have abandoned the little guy and made racing too expensive. I do not. First of all, racing is expensive no matter how you slice it. Race for a season or two and the cost of travel and consumables will soon out weigh the cost of the initial car purchase. Many would argue that starting with a cleaner platform will save you money in the long run anyway with less worn out parts to replace. Second, I have heard the argument that a nice looking car is too expensive and ruining our sport. Paint and vinyl has nothing to do with how fast a car goes. Appearance is optional. If a team doesn't mind their car looking like it lost a fight with a tree, so be it. But others enjoy the chance to recreate an old livery they they saw on TV as a kid, or just enjoying the look of their shiny race car. You asked where are we going and I feel like I'm preaching. I will tell you what concepts are in my head and that I check every idea against daily. 1. ChumpCar is committed to keeping road course endurance racing accessible to the average Joe. 2. We are committed to keeping every driver safe on track and on pit road. 3. We are committed to keeping the costs of racing as low as reasonably possible. 4. We are committed to giving all our members a voice and actively seeking your input. 5. We are committed to the growth and success of this member owned club so that there will always be a place for average Joe's to come race. 6. We are committed to the fair treatment of all members with no regard given to how much money one has or who they know. 7. We are committed to providing a professional experience for every member at the event. 8. We are committed to giving our members as much track time as possible. What does all this lead to? We are adding more cars to our list of acceptable vehicles. Newer models that in some cases are all the way up to current generation models. We are constantly analyzing vehicle values to ensure as much parity as possible on track that leads to more close finishes like we've had. We are looking at ways to improve driver safety and communication on track through technology and policies. We are adding and stabilizing good dates at great tracks that work with your schedule and budget giving you the best places to race in North America. We are adding staff to the organization that believe in these policies and uphold them consistently coast to coast. We are using new and existing methods or communication to reach new racers that just don't know they are racers yet and grow our family of members. We are and will continue to make changes that provide a better experience for our members up to and including our new name which will be announced in November of this year. In the end, I'm not oblivious of the fact that we will not be the club that everyone wants to be a part of. Some people have different goals and are looking to get something else out of their racing. We can't be everything to everyone. But we have a set of rules that I and many others believe in and we will hone our rough edges and practice what we do until we are perfect at it. Along the way we will give thousands of average Joe's a chance to do what they never thought possible - race on world class tracks wheel to wheel with other average Joe's.
  2. 35 points
    In case you wondered, I am following this (and all) thread. A lot of talk is put into the petition process, but really the best way to give and get ideas is through talking. I spend a lot of time walking the pits and paddock at a race to not just say hello, but get ideas. This forum is another great place to have those conversations all the time. I know people are waiting to see what happens next, what will I do with this ship. Those of you who race with me a lot in the East already have a pretty good idea of how I think. Those of you who don't know me, well, I'm cheap. I never had any money when I raced (and I still don't have money, I have three kids), so I hated the idea of having to spend money for no reason. I was attracted to ChumpCar because I could buy a cheap car, cage it and then race. Clapped out shocks/bushings/springs and all. There have been comments that stuff can't be taken away now that it's out there. It can. It probably has to. There is no new free stuff. Stuff needs to get more expensive (points). There is merit in the statement that we need to be able to accept cars from other clubs, and we will look at that, but we're not going to change who we are to bring cars in. If we are tight on safety, speed and cost, and that bars another car from joining us (like a GTA car) then so be it. We can't be all things to all people. What frustrates so many of you, in a broad sense, is that ChumpCar has been trying to make too many people happy at once and this has led us to our current state. So in a way, I'm sad that as we refocus who we are, we are likely to lose some members who decide they don't like who we really are. We will miss those who leave, but will welcome new teams who join our ranks. With time, previous members may rejoin again as their life situation changes or their opinion of racing does. If you read through all the comments from the past week, does anyone think there is a solution that would make everyone happy? We, or at least I, have always understood that ChumpCar is not the perfect racing series for everyone. Some need more seriousness and speed, while others need to slow things down and be more laid back. There is a place for everyone in 2016. We will focus on who we are, market that image to the outside world and put on races for those who like what we offer. I'm left with the difficult decision of when to start changing the rules. One part of me says we have changed them too much over the years and we should just run with them unchanged for a year or two, while the other side of me says they are so out of whack right now that we need to get in to our new groove asap. The new MPVs will be published here in a few days so that may in and of itself force my hand, but I really believe that an abrupt rule edit is not in our best interest. I believe the rulebook needs to be gone through carefully, always checking ideas with our vision, until a set of rules are developed that govern the long term vision of ChumpCar. Mind you, our safety rules will not soften and our format as an endurance club will not change, so what we really are talking about is how we value cars in an effort to create close racing. We've done a pretty good job with that so far, but we need to keep the cost of racing down and therein lies the challenge for valuing cars. Continue the conversation, I'm listening....
  3. 31 points
    Well... almost two years ago this was my situation.... Last night... running at 11 pm... after losing two cars, a trailer, tools, shop, everything.. to then be nominated and awarded this Sportsmanship award for our team is so awesome and I can't tell you guys how much it means to me to be back first and foremost and have my team name on the entry form... to actually run some laps was just icing on the cake... even though we spent several hours off track, we learned a lot about our car, our setup, and finally I have some real world data to work with.... Thank you to everyone that has helped me, thank you to Mike and Staff... too many people to thank.. big shout out to the people who contributed to that GoFundMe a while back... every bit of it was part of making last night happen...
  4. 31 points
    Hey, just thought I'd give a shout out to Gainesville Tire which is about 3 miles west of Road Atlanta. After our truck got ran into by Cone Crushers and cut a stem / ruined a tire, we mounted our two spare wheels / tires on the truck in the pits. We had two new unmounted tires in our trailer. I happened to run into Randy Pobst in the pits and I asked him if there was a close place to get our two new tires mounted on our wheels. He told me to leave the track, turn left, and go about 2 or 3 miles and Gainesville Tire would be on the right. He was dead on (as usual). We took off and I walked into Gainesville Tire wearing my Killer Tomato driving suit. I told the dude in the office that we were in the middle of a race at Road Atlanta and asked if they could mount two tires for me quickly. The dude jumped up like his arse was on fire and began shouting orders to his minions. He told them to take care of what I needed and to do it quickly. I rolled our stuff into the shop and they began mounting our tires. They actually cut us in the front of like 7 or 8 other regular customers. They actually pulled wheels / tires off their machines to start doing ours. They cleaned our rims with brake cleaner, applied the stick on weights inside, and put heat shield tape over the weights. The dude even allowed for the weight of the tape when he put the weights on! They really knew what they were doing and they obviously are racer friendly! They cut me a cash "racer discount" out the door I went. Just thought I would mention it here on the forum for future use.
  5. 29 points
    It would be nice if there were a single number I had to focus on, but it doesn't work that way. The reality is that each track has it's own price and there are varying costs for staff and travel. -Track prices range from $6,000 per day to $60,000 per day. -Some tracks charge a "turn key" price, while others only charge for the track. -All events require (and are included in turn key prices) corner workers, an ambulance, a fire truck and tow truck. -Staffing levels are determined by the event attendance. I have 24 people working Daytona but only 8 at Autobahn. -Increased staffing leads to increased travel costs (they have to sleep and eat). -A few tracks have limits on the number of cars allowed on track (AMP, Laguna Seca and Mid Ohio). -The only constants are my insurance and the trophies. -Events also need to make enough money to cover corporate expenses as well (website hosting, accounting, office supplies, etc). With all of the variables that go into our expenses, and the attendance forecasting we have to do over 12 months in advance, it's possible for us to lose money with 60 cars at one track and make money with 25 cars at another track. We can lower the minimum number of cars required to break even, but that means we raise the entry fee for the event. While I would love to see all events in the black, mostly what matters is that for the year, the club is in the black. When I say I need 20 cars to make this happen, part of that statement is just ensuring that the teams have enough other cars to race against. 12 cars is a track day, not a race. The other part is calculating how much of a loss am I willing to take to host the event. So this is why sometimes I may say I need 20 cars to make it happen and other times you may hear 35. If we just sell out every event though, we'll be ok. Hope this answers your question.
  6. 28 points
    Okay, so we completed our first race. The S10 fared 33rd out of 101 who ran. Not bad. I'm proud of the truck and our team. It was a great weekend. The weather was perfect despite The Weather Channel and despite the snow chaos that sandwiched both weeks before and after the event. There were some wrecks and some destroyed cars, but as far as I know, everyone thankfully, walked away. Did I have a blast? You bet your sweet ascot. I've NEVER raced anything...legally. I enjoyed racing, driving hard, pit stops, the smell of rubber and unburnt 93 octane, 100% gasoline (our truck was running rich so we didn't completely break down the entire hydrocarbon chain), passing cars, laying rubber, and consuming car parts that a sane person wouldn't have to change for 50,000 miles of normal driving. However, there's an aspect that came out of our first race I never expected to discover. Since last weekend, my race partner and I have discussed this at length. We enjoyed the pure, unperverted freedom that came with the event. I can't speak for where everyone works, but ChumpCar allowed us to experience what real teamwork is, what real success feels like, where at a moment's notice split second decisions MUST be made for success, where indecisiveness and selfishness can't and do not exist. There is real fun, excitement, and joy. Where you can share this with family and friends. Where EVERYONE there shared the dedication to fun and safety. Safety at my job is a BS mantra. However, I witnessed many folks thinking and doing things concerned about their safety and the safety of other teammates and other teams at Road Atlanta. Danger is real at a race. Everyone's dedication to safety at such an event with so many cars, at such a fast track is a testament to that. In a big way, it all seemed like everyone was on the same team. We saw teams lend other teams spare parts, lend advice for race strategy, driving in a competitive but safe manner, pick-up trash that wasn't there's and cheer for an over-zealous driver that kept his car from nailing the wall in the first test session. No one wanted to see anyone destroy their racecar they've worked so hard on. Now that life is back to normal and I'm back to work, it makes our first weekend with ChumpCar seem like a dream. One I can't wait to live it again.
  7. 26 points
    There is no excuse for my behavior that will make it acceptable. I owe an explanation, at least as far as I understand it after trying to figure it out for myself. I came to Champ from a different series and limited understanding of the differences in the cars. My experience was with SE30 on track, and I made assumptions about Huggins' car based upon that knowledge. As you mention, having won 3 races in a row, there was chatter in the paddock like, "Huggins is too fast, he has to be cheating." Hearing that over and over again, and applying my mistaken understanding of what an m20 motor was capable of, I became convinced that it must be the truth. I was tired and angry, and wrote what I wrote. I reacted to the responses on Facebook, and it escalated. People have rightly criticized me for tarnishing Huggins' win with baseless accusations. However, Mr. Huggins, I think that in your response to this, you have given all of us a lesson in how to be an exemplary racer, and in fact strengthened your reputation. I have been told in private messages from many that you are a very open and generous team leader, and have been more than willing to help others along the way. Had I taken the time too get to know you and your team, I would have known that, but I didn't. I was all to happy to jump to conclusions, finding it far too easy to dislike someone I didn't know. I became something we all dislike. Believe me when I say this has led to profound soul searching. Thankfully life is long, and we have the opportunity to learn lessons, particularly when they come the hard way. For the second day, I am moping around angry at myself for my behavior. I think the best and most mature thing I can do is maintain a presence in the forum, and take the licks I deserve. I have been asked if I am interested in driving for the 24 hour race at VIR. The thought of showing my face is mortifying, but I think it is the right thing to do, and I owe it to the Series and the Huggins team. I hope that by that time, you will have forgiven me. I also hope that my comments don't reflect poorly upon SriRacing. I am saddened that my comments will surely mar your impression of SriRacing and his other drivers for some time. Please don't have contempt for Sri or his other drivers on my account, they had nothing to do with my outburst. I apologize for slinging mud at the series. I bear most of the responsibility for the tone of the FB posts as anybody, because I started it. I hope that my behavior in the future can mend my reputation. Also, I realize that I made another typo yesterday. Sri's cars have the m50b25 engines in them. I just can't get out of my own way.
  8. 26 points
    Good afternoon. I just wanted to take a moment to introduce myself and give you a little bit of backstory on RVA Graphics & Wraps and why we are sponsoring ChumpCar in 2017. My name is Justin Andress and I am the President of Woodfin Oil located in Richmond Virginia. We are are home services company that can repair/install most everything in your home. Our company was started in 1975 as a home heating oil distributor, delivering fuel to residences throughout the Richmond Metropolitan area. While we still deliver heating oil we are also masters in: heating/cooling repair and installation, plumbing, electrical, whole home generators, home security/automation as well as propane delivery and servicing most all propane fired equipment. We also have a retail division, PitStop, that operates 26 convenience stores with fuel. In order to serve our customers, we have a fleet of over 120 vehicles ranging from service vans/pickups to heating oil trucks. As part of a re-imaging marketing effort, we wanted to wrap our entire fleet to make these trucks rolling billboards in our market. Once I discovered that the the vehicle wrap business has a ridiculous markup, we purchased the equipment and hired a few folks to do the work in house. The savings paid for the equipment after 30 or so vehicles, and we now continue to wrap our fleet as new vehicles come in as well as print signage for our convenience stores. A few years ago we branded the wrap shop RVA Graphics & Wraps and began to do work for many business in the richmond area. The reason I wanted to give so much of a back story is that I want everyone to know that RVA Graphics & Wraps is by far not our only business, in fact it exists primarily to allow us to market more efficiently and economically for our main business. As such, we are able to do things for folks at a substantially reduced rate compared to our competitors as we don't have to "pay all of the bills" out of profits from RVAGFX. As such I was excited about the opportunity to be a sponsor with CC so that we can offer not only savings for our fellow racers, but also let folks know that we can do MOST anything that they can think up. ChumpCar needs a lot of things printed for us racers and I thought it would be a great way for RVAGFX to be the provider of those items as well give our fellow racers a source for all of their graphic needs, race cars or not. As I mentioned at the banquet, we have wrapped everything from a Zamboni to the entire City of Richmond bus fleet. We have done race cars as well, for both club and professional level racers. Obviously we have enjoyed the ability to wrap our own ChumpCars as well as most anything else we could think of, which you would appreciate if you have ever seen our pit box. RVAGFX has had a basic website for quite some time, but we are now finishing up the final touches on an e-commerce site that will allow folks to order and pay for items on the site itself. I apologize that this process has taken longer than I had hoped, but we should have the site up & running by the end of this week. After talking with Mike, we are also going to supply CC with items such as number panels, windshield banners etc to have with each region at the events so folks can purchase them at the race as well. We are also working on items like event specific decals to be handed out at each event to put on your car, toolbox or whatever. We are also going to give away prizes like helmet wraps, hood wraps, logo decals or "Fathead" type wall graphics of your car. Obviously those cannot be printed ahead of time so we will be giving out gift certificates at the races and winners can order items from our site. Our team, Schultz N Co, is made up entirely of folks that work here at Woodfin, none of whom are professional race car drivers (probably didn't need to tell you that,) nor are we even involved in the racing industry, but we all love ChumpCar for the ability it provides for guys like us to race at truly epic racetracks. We enjoy the fellowship of racing along side some very tough and fair competitors who also are not looking at this as a ladder to make it to IMSA. We have been racing with Chump since 2010 and we want to do everything possible to ensure ChumpCar continues to thrive and folks like all of us continue to have the opportunities that ChumpCar provides. If you have a question about how much a specific item costs, or a specific order, please use the website to communicate with the folks that run our wrap shop. If you ever have a general question or suggestion about how RVGFX can be of assistance, please shoot me a PM. Best, Justin Andress (AKA Schultz)
  9. 25 points
    Guys we are not waiting. We are implementing a possible solution starting at NCM. Let's see how it goes. If it doesn't get the job done, we will take further action.
  10. 25 points
    Don't let anyone tell you things can't change, including going backwards. Reference prohibition in the 20th century. I have never had a problem admitting where there are problems and owning my own mistakes. I didn't write the current rules but I'm the first to point out their shortcomings. I'm also in a position to correct the ones that need attention. We can edit the MPV table and we already are. We can clarify the gray areas and we already are. We can take away the free stuff and we will. I started in this series as a driver in it's first year. I remember where we came from. I know who we were created for (hint: it wasn't for pros with unlimited money). I have not been placed in my new role to sit and watch, I am here to whip ChumpCar into shape and bring us back to our roots - affordable, real racing for the average Joe. If you've got ideas/concerns you'd like to share, call me. I've got a vision for us and you can be a part of it.
  11. 24 points
    We're one of the teams with a big rig. So, I'll chime in and tell you why we are racing in ChampCar. #1 reason...it is fun! We had so much fun at the VIR 24 in 2018 that we decided to ditch the sprint racing and come join this fun series. It is really that simple. Racing is supposed to be fun and the sprint racing wasn't fun anymore. This is what amateur racing is supposed to be. Fun and friendly. Value: We spent crazy money to get less track time in a week at Sonoma for the Runoffs than we get in a single stint in ChampCar. We did consider selling the rig and getting something more practical. But, to be honest, we like the rig. It's paid for and it has some nice amenities. We figured that it would also help sell seats to the guys that we're trying to bring into our program. Our goal is for every driver that gets in one of our cars to be respectful and humble. We're the rookies in this series and we're here to learn and race respectfully. We had a drivers meeting before the race and we talked about respect, patience, and being humble. Please come stop by and say hi, when you see us this year. You'll find that we're down to earth guys who are racing ChampCar to have fun. Yes, we're probably bringing cars that cost more to build and our rig is fancy, but our beer isn't any colder than yours.
  12. 24 points
    I'm not so sure I would agree with this statement. The new management has been in charge for 7 days now. While I may be the only one active in this particular thread, there are more than 10 board and staff members who have been working late nights all week to make changes to this club. New website, up. New registration system, nearly complete. MPV table edit, ready to post. Rules, under review. Board meeting scheduled for the end of July. We all knew what had to be done around here, we just couldn't do it until July 1st. It took six years to get to this point. We plan on fixing it much faster than it got messed up, but we'll need more than a month.
  13. 23 points
    So wanted to let you all know where we are on the Title Sponsor since I have been the point person on this one and wanted the membership to know the process I've been dealt. August: Contacted a couple of national companies to come on board September/October: Had multiple phone meetings with prospects mid-November: Verbal agreement to move forward with a company December: Contract sent to them and their legal team had to review it Early Jan: Had to make changes to the contract per their legal team January 8th: Signed multi year contract by both parties January 9th: Confirmed number panel design and sent to RVA Graphics January 11th: Confirmed series logo and other graphics received at 5:15 pm We are waiting for the press release. The sponsor is handling writing the press release. We did not want to make an announcement before they did with the press release. This is a great relationship we just started so we want to be courteous of the new sponsor. I have let them know we need the press release today so we can make the announcement.
  14. 23 points
    Guys, we had a Board meeting last night and discussed this at length. Conclusions and changes: 1) We've only had three cars climb others in the history of the club. 2) This is being addressed now because more and more, we are seeing larger tires and rims stuffed under cars and are sticking out more than ever. We are trying to address that before it becomes an issue. 3) The video and interpretation should not have been posted because it had not been discussed yet by the Board. We are going to use the last five races of 2018 to try different things, see how this goes in tech, and potentially alter how the rule is interpreted. Using a 10 and 2 measurement, we might catch a lot of cars out that really don't pose a problem, including in some case stock wheel/tire setups on certain cars. that is not the goal. To help, we have moved the measurement points to 11 and 1 and let's see what this turns into. It is not set in stone and we can change how we implement and test this.
  15. 23 points
    ...and aside from the Tuttle debacle; there was a great Champcar race, with great teams! Team Jacky Ickx had a very eventfull race weekend (end of week),... as usual! To be allowed to keep racing. I had to start a new business/job! So, I ended up having to work the last week before Christmas, eventhough my wife had already scheduled our vacation in Mexico for that time. We moved our vacation, but I was going to do a "Tom Cruise", fly back at the last minute before the race, and have my team bring the cars to the track without me. I left Cancun at 10:30 am on Thursday, and got to the track before the race cars. Once they were finally in tech line, we found out Mark was not coming! Mark (evilwheel), our fastest driver on the team, had been battling the flu for the last couple of days. He had not missed a race in the last 49 endurance races with the team! On race day, one of the first radio communication was: "Lots of fast cars today!"; we were in 14th & 15th. Around 9:35, a red Porsche was sideways coming out of 16, Keith thought he saved it, he didn't! He hit us hard in the left rear sending the right rear in the wall. It turned out the Porsche driver also thought he had saved the car, they talked, we are OK. Keith came in the pits with a bent race car, flat tire, and an empty tank. We changed a wheel, filled the tank, and I jumped in (litteraly because the door doesn't open). The car felt like a crab in a straight, was turning left reasonably well, didn't want to turn smoothly to the right, and wanted to throw me off track under braking! It was vibrating so bad I had a death grip on the steering wheel causing me cramps! And we never took the time to hook my cool shirt, I'll let you guess where the hoses and connectors ended up... I guess I got used to the new handling characteristics of the car, and turned decent consistent laps. After the initial shock on how bad the car felt, Clark and Brian did the same. Unfortunately Keith had to retire the GT30 after loosing power. It sounds like only 5 cylinders are doing their job. It may sound like a normal occurence for a Mitsubishi engine to expire, but it has not been our experience. We can't even remember how old the bottom end of our engine is! But the 935 kept on "crabbing away"! I went back in for my second stint, the car was still evil to drive, but somehow it didn't feel as bad, and I had so much fun behind the wheel! Thanks to the BMW #411, and a mysterious red Miata with a white stripe on the hood. At first I thought it was an orange Eclipse catching me, but when I realized it was a Miata, I thought Randy was at the wheel! I had to make sure I was a mile ahead of him going in a corner for him not to catch me! It was so much fun, and thanks to all teams for clean driving, and giving plenty room to podium cars by the end of the race! Then we put Chris in the car for the final stint, he had been wanting to finish a race! With 1 hour 40 left, he's 2 laps behind the Tuttle car who still has to make a pit stop! He's turning 38's 39's, and tells us he feels he can do 36's. Clark tells him to remain consistent, wait for the 108 to pit, and he would let him know when it's time to push. Tuttle waited in vain for a FCY, tried to open the gap, but finally pitted with less than 30 minutes to go. I was pitting next to them, so I can tell they took gas, but their pit stop looked a little short... (and we usually get corrected if we have so many people over the wall during fueling!). Anyway, they come out 15 seconds in front of us! Next lap, Chris does a 37, he's 11 seconds behind; then a 36 (as he called it), he's 4 seconds behind, then he's on his bumper, by the next lap he's in front of him, and keeps on leaving him; but then the 108 stopped on track... (the rest has been debated on past posts) We are happy to have passed them under racing conditions (kuddos to Chris's beautifull stint), and that we didn't get the win because of a DQ! I'm completely blown away my team won Sebring again. Other that being the track geographically the closed to our homes, and having done all the Chumpcar races at Sebring, I don't understand why this "home track advantage" works so well!? Thanks to my wife, my team, the Champcar staff, and (almost) all teams for an incredible way to finish 2017! A special thank you to Elon's team/family/friends for a great hospitability!
  16. 23 points
    Our first Chump Car race and it was an eventful one. BUt we had a blast and are already planning the next one. We learned a lot from watching other chumps. Quick recap of the #715 B Class Prelude 3 Locos una Loca Racing Day started with the National anthem being sung and alternator being replaced First stint went great. Easy laps at 2:28, short shifting, easy on brakes and we quickly moved to third in class and 35th overall. Second stint, axle goes, in the garage 20 minutes, axle replaced, back out racing Then the motor grenades at the entry to 1. We didn't know what to do. Race was over and we were all pretty bummed. Only two drivers got to drive. My wife, not knowing anything, points to our parts car and says can't you just swap motors. Like it was the easiest thing in the world. We looked at each other and said "Gee, well why not. I guess we could swap motors. Let's swap motors" So after making sure the thing fired up, we got to work. Found someone a couple garages down running an RX-8 with a hoist and he let us borrow it. So we pulled two motors, swapped trannies (the donor car was an automatic), bled the clutch and were back on track 6 hours later. Were on track for another hour, then we blew the other axle. At this point, there was no doubt. We were going to fix it too. Into the garage we went and replaced that axle, and the intermediate shaft from the automatic which had no business being in a manual car. Got it back out with about an hour and a half to go and the car owner drove the last stint in the dark and took the checker. What an unbelievable feeling of accomplishment. GREAT TIMES. Thank you Chump and we will see you guys again soon.
  17. 23 points
    I think ChumpCar should go to the following class structure: Whiny ass bitches who endlessly complain about unequal PWR will be classed as WRL. Whiny ass bitches who endlessly complain about unequal lap times/lack of qualifying will be classed as AER. Whiny ass bitches who endlessly complain about not having not enough racetracks or who live west of the Continental Divide will be classed as LDRL. Whiny ass bitches who endlessly complain about anything else will be classified as Lemons. The rest of us will race in the ChumpCar World Series class. /firesuit on/
  18. 23 points
    I never got to get out other than for a few test laps, so I have no first hand insight into the driving at this year's race - but after reading some of the banter here I'd like to share my perspective. Chumpcar is built on the premise that any driver and any team is welcome as long as you meet the basic requirements. I built a slow but safe car, and have for each and every race had drivers that have never done any racing before - in several races even drivers who have never set foot on a racetrack even as a spectator. This has perhaps been dumb, but they have for sure got memorable experiences! A few of us have got hooked, have done more races and gradually been getting better (not good, but not quite as clueless either!) and we just decided to upgrade to a car that will keep up better with the rest of the field. Now - the as the slow teams with poor cars and poorer drivers, we do have a lot of responsibilities. I talk at length with each new driver about what I expect. I try to select drivers on personality - will not again do the mistake of bringing on "a friend of a friend" who couldn't really handle that his lap times were slower than the rest of the team. And I let the drivers know that they will sit out if they don't behave out there. Mistakes are OK, everyone will do that when you're new, but just don't behave like you are racing for the win. Leave room, give point-bys, follow other slower cars around behind them to see what you can learn. I always tell that "any contact is your fault - even if you get hit it is because you have placed yourself in a position where you could get hit." To the 'Vette team that has got your fair share of complaints here - you know, realize that this is for fun and make sure to let cars by. At the same time - over the years it has bugged me a little that there are some of the good teams and good drivers who seem to want to forget that this is a grassroots series. There are no licensing requirements. No age restrictions. No vision tests. You have a pulse and a driver's license and you are allowed to drive. There are some fast drivers who do not really leave room for mistakes by the newbies and make passes that are just stupid (two wheels off, 3 cars wide up the climbing esses rather than waiting for me to give you the inner line at the top of the hill?) The funny thing is that it is not the best teams that will scare the wits out of you. I don't know how many times I have been passed by the Simon Integra over the years, and never have I seen any lack of patience or a poorly timed manouver. They - and other great teams - accept that my position isn't the best, that my speed is slow, and that I'm not 100% predictable. Unfortunately there are several other teams who seem to think that this is the Chase in Nascar, and that the poorer driver should either just drive off to leave them room or perhaps just that they should get scared enough to never bother to show up again for any future races. As team captains for these fast but intimidating teams - perhaps you should think about reminding your drivers about the old saying "with great speed comes greater responsibilities"? Knock on wood - we've done races since 2011 and have had only one tire scuff on the driver's door. No dents, no offs. So it is possible to do, regardless whether you are fast or slow. Now, let's all sit together, holding hands and sing Kumbaya!
  19. 22 points
    OK, guys, I'm not going to make any more posts on this for a while, but this is an update from Mike C. We are going to to split the scoring at NCM. I'm not exactly sure what that means, but I do know that EC cars will still be timed, but will not show up in one version of the standings. Since we are not sure how this will work, We can't promise anything additional at this point. That is only a few weeks away so let's see how it goes. EC cars not on the VPI list will not be allowed to run with us starting in 2020. I'd forgotten the Board already decided this previously. So that problem will take care of itself soon.
  20. 22 points
    One of our drivers, @Choray911 is a Nissan guy. He walked by their car on Thursday and was like "Nice. A VQ35." They were like, "No. It's a VQ30. See the valve cover." He was like, "Nope, it's definitely a VQ35. See the variable valve timing? That's a later model Altima intake. *other random Nissan stuff*". They were like, "Nope. Definitely a VQ30." We had a pretty crappy day with the Mustang. We were praying they would make it to impound so that we could protest them. We notified Chumpcar officials that it was coming. Showed them how a VQ35 is obviously not a VQ30. I guess they talked to the team and the team decided to take the DQ for the wrong VQ.
  21. 22 points
    If it's heat cycling and shaving that you're interested in, I can beat Phil's prices! You see, we use a proprietary heat cycling and shaving technique where (without giving away too much info about how it's done), the tires are run on a track for 1.5-2 hour periods of time, separated by brief 5 minute cooldown periods. During each cooldown period the tire tread is checked, and if appropriate thickness has been removed, the tire is pulled from the car and replaced. The shaved and heat cycled tire is then dismounted and is ready to ship. What does this premium service cost you? Nothing! We will service the tire free of charge and sell to you for the original list price. Let me know what tires you want, and I will make sure they are serviced during our June 2-4 tire servicing weekend at the Autobahn facility outside Chicago.
  22. 22 points
  23. 22 points
    What are classes hurting folks that have no interest in em, I say not at all What are classes doing for those 50% that are interested? Lots! Leave it be and move on, its good for morale, they paid the same dues/fees to get to the track didn't they?
  24. 22 points
    Before your time Newbie..... there once was a giant onslaught of E36s that came thundering out of the lakes of Minnetonka. ... the villagers feared for there lives and took up sickles and hoes to fend off the marauding horde.... Just in time The White Knight of Wine Country arrived with his (some acronym ) to slay the evil E36s. ... Many an E36 died on the sword that season but the remaining survivors agreed to give up their quest for domination and became sod farmers. Planting seed in hopes of one day being treated as fairly as the rice and corn farmers were treated. But alas it was not meant to be as the distant cousins of the E36s , those known as the E30s, seeing the opportunity to wage war all the while being lumped together under their Bavarian moniker with less points assessed began to intermingle and breed with the E36s creating offspring with the heart of the E36s and the soul of the E30. (Some say the E30 has been touched by the hand of God) These lion hearted offspring went forth and prospered..... and the villagers again cried out for help.... but The White Knight wasn't listening anymore.... he was distracted with giant fire breathing diesel dragons and shiny waxer hot rods..... so the lion hearted ran amok through the countryside all the while knowing that the E36s would be blamed......
  25. 22 points
    Good morning passionate racers! I've read every single post on here so far (quite a few I must say) to get up to speed with this conversation. I'll be on the forum most of today to keep up with your questions. So, a few points to get us started: - This proposal was not written or championed by John Condren. It was written by a Central region Chump who emailed it to me. I then worked with it for months, testing it and polishing it, trying to find weak links. I also sent it to a few people along the way for their input and help. The calculator you see is the fruition of all of that input. - Many of you posting in the first six pages have mistakenly deemed this new proposal law. It is not. It has been posted up to get feedback from everyone. Should we find that there are glaring errors in the proposal, they will be fixed for review again or the whole proposal will be dropped. - Someone had the question about transmissions and axles. They are not part of this proposal. - Despite what the email read, IF this was voted in to the BCR, it would not take effect until 2017. - Those of you that surmised that this is designed to limit the power to weight ratio of competing cars, you are correct. The closer you get to the limit, the steeper the curve and the faster points are added to the MPV. No secret there. The reason for the web calculator is that the formula is in Excel and it takes up a lot of room. The web calculator makes it cleaner, but I have the Excel file if you are interested. - This proposal does have the side effect of making things easier for tech. They have a difficult job and anything that can be done to help them more fairly assess your car is an improvement. So this proposal is in front of you because you asked for it. Yes, I know that this exact formula is not what each and every one of you asked for, but the collective voice of the forum was unhappy with the current ChumpCar swap formula and wanted something better. Last year we had conversations about how to improve our swap formula here on the forum. That was a 20+ page conversation (this is bound to break that record) and this was one of the ideas to come from it. Here's the thing - ideas tossed out on the forum can be great, but they need to be followed up on. I only received two emails with well laid out proposals. If you have an idea that you are passionate about, put it on paper. Work out all the variations (not just your car). Email me and teach me it's merits. And be honest about it's limitations. There were limits to the current proposed formula that we were able to address. I'd like each of you reading this to remind yourself that this is not law. Gather your thoughts and opinions on it and submit them here for all of us to read and comment on. Do not be negative or threatening. Let's all find the weak links and figure out how to fix them. If there are too many issues, then let's come to a consensus that this formula is not going to fulfill the purpose of improving ChumpCar and kill it. I understand now as I did when I was working on this that there are a few of you who have cars that will be negatively affected by this. Try to look at the proposal and all the comments objectively and ask "while this sucks for me, is this better for the club?". If not this solution, then what? Because I strongly believe that doing nothing is not an option for us.
  26. 21 points
    After talking with Mike this past weekend we are going to be bringing back both Race Monitor and Race Hero. Stay tuned.
  27. 21 points
    Racebar here with one of the last trip reports (as expected): This was our first race with our newly rebuilt motor, named "Rainbow number 5" as it was our fifth motor and was painted like a rainbow by a drunk Patrick "Dick Freelane" Mchugh during a late night party rock session after the kids had gone to bed. On Friday, during the track day, we blew a head gasket for obvious reasons. Quantum speed works hosted us throughout the day as we pondered why our brand new motor blew a gasket and we waited on the new gasket to arrive. By 5 pm, it was clear that the car wouldn't make it to the paddock for the BBQ party, and with the continuous deluge of wet stuff (Ben Dawson's race driver equalizer), we decided to move the dance party slash BBQ prerace get-everyone-drunk-so-they-drive-like-poop-the-next-day-party up to the super amazing facility at Quantum. So that night, we ate, we talked, we drank, we danced, we rebuilt Racebar, and we misdiagnosed her problems. Around midnight we introduced our new pledges to Racebar with a lap around the paddock by foot, and a little team bonding with the Champcar trophies. (Its ok we blamed our transgressions on Winsome Racing. The staff never knew it was us) We made it to tech in the morning where we discovered that people have complained about Racebar from previous races. Ray, sadly, was forced to add a 25 pt penalty to our amplifier, speakers, and bar claiming it adds speed. He said this would calm the complaints. I dont think we are winning any races Ray. By noon, after blowing yet another head gasket, we discovered the actual problem with the Racebar motor was not under torquing of the head bolts, but rather detonation. WIth some quick thinking by Jeff "Ron Mexico" Caplan, we had a head gasket on the way being delivered by Al "The reverend" Taylor. After having "practiced" a head removal so many times in the past, we pulled together as a team, and had the head off in 20 minutes. However, with the head off, we realized yet a new major problem. Our block was majorly cracked. So after another hour of pondering, we decided to run her for as long as she would go. 30 minutes later, we were on the track and racing again. We changed the coolant multiple times throughout the next 6 hours and added countless qts of oil. Eventually by about 7 pm, it was oil starvation that ultimately got us as I, threw yet another racebar rod. (This would be the third rod our team has thrown all with me at the wheel) Despite our lack of success on the track, this was our most successful race yet. Our team has grown every race. We have built a culture, values, and a team which people willingly invest time and money to further the cause. We had the opportunity to help numerous teams at this race which was rewarding for all of us. We have built friendships with other teams that extend beyond the track. Moving forward, we have new motors going in both Racebar and Lasershark, a newly aquired e30 to add to the team, an e36 being built now, and a new acquisition of Winsome Racing (they havent exactly agreed.) We are doing an endurance running relay with Racebar in April, competition bbq this summer, pub crawls, brewery parties, HPDE events, and Indy in July. We were verbally reminded of how much we suck during this race by the e46 EC team. Its ok, no judgement passed here. There are those who understand Racebar, and those who have yet to learn. At this race, we met a young boy named Jack. Jack wrote us a handwritten note, which I think sums up how we feel about our team. This is his note: Dear Racers in Racebar champcar series, Your car was the best and creative but you didnt win. But who cares if you win or lose. It matters if you have fun or not and I hope you have fun. You have speakers on your car. You went in the pit stop a lot of times but thats ok. I hope you are proud and do you think you could write me back. Sorry and I might write you more letters. Bye, your friend. Jack The e46 team, should probably talk to Jack so they can learn a few things about life. It truly is an honor to race with all of you. Most of you are better drivers than we are, so thank you for sharing the track with us. Free beer and bbq is always on us. -Raaaaaacceeebaaaaaaar!
  28. 21 points
    It has nothing to do with the upper class. and I understand your sarcasm. It has everything to do with us racing at Indy, and teams with the means to toss together a car, or teams that wanted nothing to do with us before the announcement, suddenly wanting to take the spots that our membership would normally take. I watch social media. Before the announcement... ChampCar sucks. After the announcement... We are going to Indy!
  29. 21 points
    About the Cobalt... I have no idea about how they drove out on the track other than that they were slow. They seemed to have stock suspension, and ran at night with nothing but the dim stock headlights. But I talked to them quite a bit in the pits. They were absolute beginners - the first pit stop was the first one they had ever done. They struggled with some horrible fuel jugs, and with learning how to belt someone in the car. Is VIR 24 the place to start learning those things? No, that's madness. But, they were also the nicest, happiest and friendliest team you can find. They loved being there, even when being scared. And perhaps I had a particular fondness for them because I did just what they did back in 2011, putting a team together and not knowing at all what we didn't know. It was scary as hell, and incredibly fun. And all these years later and we have still never caused an accident - knock on wood! - perhaps by both being well aware of our limitations in the driver talent department and by other teams with more talent being good at avoiding us (especially the first couple of years!) But based on my experiences, I'd say that actual incidents are much more commonly caused by bad drivers that go too fast than by rookies going far too slow. I think most of us have been slow beginners at some point, so hopefully we still have the ability within the ChampCar "family" to accept new teams and help them along rather than ask for them to be banned. Just my two cents.
  30. 21 points
    I would say that the plan would be quite simple: a trip to the local Pick 'n Pull. To elaborate: there is no need to grandfather something as cheap and easy as putting an unmodified stock tank back in the stock location. Far more extensive and expensive work has been mandated with other rulings with no plan to help the affected teams "be legal". Engines have been unswapped, turbos removed, etc, with no consideration or compensation so I see no need for a plan for something that takes an afternoon and $50 to rectify.
  31. 21 points
  32. 21 points
    The Bill of Rights, Amendment II: A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. Seems pretty clear to me. And I bet it seems pretty clear to you as well. Do we agree it says the same thing? Chances are no. People have argued this all the way up to the US Supreme Court. Even after a ruling they are still arguing it! Why do I mention the 2nd amendment in a race car forum? The reason is that both the 2nd amendment and ChumpCar rule 3.2.3. both suffer from a difference in interpretation. I would argue that our founding fathers put a great deal of effort into clearly spelling out their thoughts on gun rights in 1791. Over the past 250 years though, the English language has changed somewhat and we now argue their intent. It's a pity we can't ask them directly. On the other hand, in the case of our doorbar rule, the authors are still here and we can ask for clarification. By the number of responses on here and the few emails I received about this, the wording is not clear. I opened up the rulebook and read the section on cages all the way through. I read it like I always have, like someone who was part of it's thought process and enforcement. Made sense to me. Then I slowed down and read it again and again. This time pretending I knew nothing of our rules. Like I was a new car builder. This time I saw what some of you have seen. It was at this point that I clearly understood the glaring omission of a single important word that changes the meaning of the sentence entirely. Unbroken. It is important to note that there are two issues in discussion here. 1) Phil/ChumpCar is not following their own rulebook and they are making up arbitrary decisions at the track, and 2) What does the ChumpCar rule on X-bars say? To the first point, Phil and the techs that work under him for ChumpCar do not arbitrarily make up rulings as they go. The rulings they will issue at Daytona in two weeks will be the same rulings they gave out at VIR last year and Pittsburgh the year before. I have spoken with all our techs and impressed upon them the importance of not only applying our rules as they are written, but applying them as they are written all the time. We had large problems with consistency at tech in years past, but Phil as Chief of tech has worked to train all our techs in what our rulebook says and to apply it all the time. This is not to say they can't miss things, because they do sometimes, but I find they catch more than they miss. To that end, Phil and Dan have been failing broken X-bar designs for years. I know because I have had numerous people come to me and ask me to overrule them (I won't). Their interpretation of our X-bar rule has been consistent. As for point 2, what does our doorbar rule say? ChumpCar rule 3.2.3. reads: Two driver-side door bars (labeled “7”) that will prevent cockpit intrusion. NASCAR-style or Xdesign is acceptable. At issue here is what constitutes a doorbar? If you can clearly define a doorbar then we all can count how many we have. Many here, and yes that includes other sanctioning bodies, view the X-design as 2 bars. After all, if you were to write an "X" on a sheet of paper, your pencil makes 2 lines. ChumpCar's interpretation of the "X" design however has always been that it is comprised of a single, unbroken door bar that is braced by two other short bars. This leaves the car 1 bar short of meeting rule 3.2.3. Our at the track solution was to have teams weld in gussets, tacos or a steel plate to their "X" and allow them to race. Other acceptable solutions that retain the "X" shape are to bend 2 bars to meet in the middle (as was shown earlier) or to add a sill bar at the base of the cage. So after five pages of discussion, where are we? ChumpCar's position has not changed. Door bars must be continuous, unbroken bars. What has changed is that you have shown us that something in our rules was not clear. I am currently amending rule 3.2.3. to reflect more clearly how we expect an X-design door bar to be constructed. I'm sure there are other items in the rulebook that may not come across as clear as we intended them to be. When you find those items, bring them to our attention and we can clarify our wording so everyone understands. It is counterproductive to immediately assume that ChumpCar is out to screw people over and start a long argument on the forum. I am rarely on here so you'll get quicker results by emailing me your concerns directly. Should you already have some blurry rules in mind, email me now or bring them up at the board meeting next week. Hopefully we can get everyone to the point where they trust that the ChumpCar Board and staff are here trying to make your experience a pleasant one and not one of grief.
  33. 21 points
    Do you have a teammate who hasn't paid their annual membership yet? Or a driver who can't make up their mind about attending the next race? Does this driver come to your house, drink your last beer, eat your last slice of pizza, and promise that tomorrow he'll know more about his availability to race? DOES TOMORROW NEVER COME!? We can't help you with your friend, but we can make your life a little easier. As of today, your Team Captain can register your team for a race without having to pin down every beer swilling miscreant on your roster. Now you'll need just one driver to get your car entered, and you'll be able to flesh out your full driver and crew rosters at any point later on. Why not try it out by signing up for a race right now? We have a bunch of other improvements planned for a complete revamp of the www.chumpcar.com website in the near future. No more dual scroll bars! Easier payment options! Easier registration! Free kittens! (Excuse me just a second......what's that?) OK, the killjoy lawyers are telling me there won't actually be any free kittens. But all that other stuff will be coming soon!
  34. 21 points
    The swap calculator thread just made my head explode .. and I'm only about 27 pages in, lol. Hi, I'm a newb to both Chump and your forms. I'm also a NASA refugee with 3 years experience helping with, and ultimately running, regional timing and scoring for 2 NASA regions. I competed in TT (time trials) within NASA, and was in the process of building an ST race car before I fled. I like the idea behind NASA's power to weight but observation has led me to believe that it doesn't really work at equalizing cars with significant differences in power and weight. Based on what I've seen in NASA, I think the outcomes in an endurance racing environment would be even worse. Fundamentally, as implemented by NASA, the power to weight system puts small, light-weight cars at a significant disadvantage. The ideas I have seen tossed around the in the 2017 calculator thread look to be re-creating many of the same problems that exist within NASA's system. This will be a long post, I feel there are a number of points to address. While not exclusively related to the power-to-weight topic, I think I'll start this with a brief discussion of the "let the expert panel figure out what swaps are worth" suggestion. In NASA the "swap guy" is Greg Greenbaum. NASA's TT (time trials), PT (Performance tuning), and now ST (Super Touring) rules are all essentially rules packages heavily influenced (some would say even built by) by Mr. Greenbaum. Do they work? Yes, but they tend force you to build a car in a very specific way if you really want to be competitive. You can do it Greg's way, or wine about being someone else's traffic, the choice is all yours, really. Also because Greg does not have a completely transparent system for assigning values to swaps (in PT and TT), there are always quietly whispered complaints about favoritism or selective bias. The problem may be as simple as people who have more direct access to Greg getting significantly more "hidden" information and thus making better choices about their builds. Regardless, the system feels subjective, and no one has been able to prove that it is not, so there tend to be a few who like it (and have figured out how to get to go fast) and a larger body of others who would like to see something objective and transparent. This will be a problem with any dictator or panel that is allowed make individualized judgments on swap or car values. What's the fix? Probably an objective system that has a mechanism for fixing the values that are broken with input from the masses. That does seem to be what is going on here and I like that. But fix the real problem, if a specific chassis needs help fix that. If a specific chassis is too strong, then adjust that as well. Should small, light weight cars be allowed to swap into an engine with two to thee times their original power and still be under 500 (504?) TCV? Common sense says probably not. Also remember it is not possible to effectively regulate team and driver skills or money, and both can be used improve lap times, pre-race preparation, and race results. I observed NASA's struggles with all of these issues. Power to weight issues, part one. A pure power to weight system could easily force people to build cars within a narrow set of parameters that are specifically tailored to those rules to be competitive. NASA has this problem. In the NASA rules system, at least when I was participating, small displacement cars were placed at a significant disadvantage. Power to weight may work in an autocross setting, but straight power to weight fails to account for drag, which becomes a significant factor at race track speeds. The faster the track the more the small displacement, low power cars end up being punished. The problem with the NASA system is that after a certain speed, far more of a car's power goes into overcoming drag than weight. Less power means lower top speed and less acceleration at higher speeds. At one point in the past, the competitive ST2 cars were jokingly called the "Corvette Mafia". The problem was that within the NASA power to weight rule set, the C5 Corvette was essentially the perfect platform for that class, and despite ST2 appearing to be an "open" class with options, none of the other options worked quite as well. The answer would seem to be a system that gives proportionally a bit more power to small cars, but still keeps overall power (and speeds) in check. Power to weight issues, part two. Peak horsepower alone doesn't really measure the power delivered by an engine. An engine's power capability is really measured by total power under the curve. NASA's system also tended to favor broad, low RPM power bands and really punish low torque, high RPM engines. I like to think of NASA's system as them believing how tall you are (peak wheel horsepower) combined with how much you weigh would allow NASA to predict to fast you can run their (40 minute) sprint race. That perspective doesn't take into account the runner's percent of muscle mass and leg conditioning (area under the curve). For endurance racing it also doesn't take into account stamina (fuel capacity). What's the answer? I don't know. My gut tells me a fuel spec tank would help limit the stint lengths of big cars that came stock with big tanks, and possibly help cars with small tanks, but Bill's MR2 might be a problem. A stock MR2 has a long skinny central tank that allows the balance to remain almost the same despite fuel level. And since this would seem to be all new territory for Chump, it would probably start it's own holy war. As for measuring power under the curve, some consideration of torque is probably a good answer. It does sound like this is already under consideration. Power to weight issues, part three. Not all weight is equal. Breaking it down to math, a car's ability to go around an idealized corner is determined by a formula based on its track width versus its center of gravity height for any given amount of tire grip. The same amount of weight transfer always happens despite the stiffness of springs and limitation of body roll. While a car with less body roll is easier to manage and recovers from weight transfer events more quickly, peak weight transfer at mid-corner is essentially the same between a car with a small amount of body roll and a car with a large amount of body roll. (As always, if you look hard enough you will find exceptions, but most of those will tip over on a race track.) What this means is that for any given target vehicle weight, it is better to move weight from the top of the car to the bottom of the car, and shift it around the chassis for better balance. In NASA this a very expensive practice that is becoming more common in PT, TT and ST as rules specific, purpose build cars are being completed. If Chump start to manage car weights too closely, then moving weight from the top of the car to the bottom becomes a competitive advantage. Teams with more resources (shop time, money, engineering skills) will be more able pursue this strategy. In NASA this widened the performance difference between casual racers and people who were willing to invest in winning. What's the answer? I don't know. But I have seen NASA's reliance on race weights turned into a competitive advantage by the teams with the most resources. Is there a way to give small engines a bit more of performance boost than large engines while keeping close to the current system? One thought I had was to adjust how upgrades like intake manifolds and exhaust headers are currently priced for TCV. Instead of a single price per item perhaps charge for those items on a per cylinder basis. If headers were $10 per cylinder then a 3 cylinder car would cost $30 in TCV, a 4 cylinder $40, 6 cylinders would be $60 and a V8 would be $80. Small engines would be more able to afford additional upgrades and still stay under the TCV cap. Turbo engines would probably need to have that cost factor doubled. A good turbo install will greatly increase power everywhere under the curve, and very clever cheaty one could be designed to give a small boost to peak HP while creating a mountain of torque and pushing the car's competitive power band down the RPM scale .. think WRC cars. Rotaries could probably be priced as four (or five?) cylinder cars and still kept in balance. An alternative to using per cylinder pricing could be to use displacement, but I suspect that is more open to argument and harder to verify. Physics dictates that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Human behavior oddly seems to follow a similar pattern. The more rules you have the harder it will become to police and verify them. Enforcement is a significant problem in NASA. It is impossible to know every cam profile, suspension pickup point, bore and displacement, combustion chamber size, valve diameter and seat configuration, sway bar thickness, spring diameter, coil count and length, etc. Even a spec series can get into deep trouble with creative interpretation of rules; the spec Miata cylinder head fiasco comes to mind. And engine ECUs are the absolutely the wild wild west. there is no guarantee that the at-track dyno reading will reflect what the car's on-track power will actually be. Press the gas three times quickly while stepping on the brake after turning on the ignition with the gas pedal about 1/2 way depressed, then wait three to five seconds and start the car, there's the super secret race tune.. any other combination gives the "real", dyno approved tune. Just be sure to cycle the ignition power on the power panel on your cool down lap. It's already out there. NASA at one point was looking at attaching accelerometers to cars without the teams and drivers knowledge as a spot check. Slap the box on as it rolled onto the track to start the race and collect them as a car lined up for post-race weigh-in and/or impound. I'm not sure how far that went, but I know some of the unusually fast teams didn't like it. I'm not an engineer, statistician, professional car builder or (rules) lawyer. I'm a guy who's in the process of building a new chump car and team, and wants to come race with Chump, as do the other team members working with me to get our car on the track. We like the spirit of Chump, we want to race within the rules, and we're building a car with an engine swap. I like the new calculator, it gives me an objective set of targets to work with that are not too complicated. The old system also worked for us, but I did have to talk one of our members down from wanting to use an engine that would have significantly bumped our power. It would have been legal to the letter of the rules, but I suspect it would have earned us, especially as "new guys", some raised eyebrows and probably a few penalty laps. I would prefer to avoid that.
  35. 21 points
    I'm happy to hear that most of you enjoyed the race at NCM. We will be back next year. On the subject of sharing venues with other orgs, it was believed by John two years ago that this sharing concept would save us money that we could pass on to the teams. It has been anything but. Financially speaking, the tracks end up increasing our track rental cost due to the additional space that we use (East, West and skid pad at NCM). Insurance costs go up and I have to bring a larger staff in to handle the load. After all is said and done, our net is the same as if ChumpCar was there by ourselves. Logistically speaking, more cars and people mean a tighter paddock and more compromises. Some of these are built in by us, and others are imposed last minute by a track. Either way, it can be uncomfortable. For the rest of this year, the East region has sharing events at CMS and VIR with ChampTruck. We have no more co-events with the USCA. For 2016 John and I have already discussed an end to co-events with any other group. USCA and ChampTruck will move to hold their own events and ChumpCar will go back to taking care of ourselves.
  36. 20 points
    Why do EC cars want to beat up on cars following the rules? Simply go to the Sahlens Racing Facebook page where they mention "winning" the Watkins Glen race with their Salt car. Ain't they something, they WON!!!! I've had it and I won't let this die. Mike S, how about starting 10 laps down? Can you easily add ten? Because that would do it almost anywhere. These "winners" are a sham and it hurts our actual winners.
  37. 20 points
    Mr. Media: 1) You could have added the cooler if you needed it. Nobody stopped you, you chose not to run it. You decided to swap in an ungodly amount of power into your car and then complain after the fact that you did not "have enough points for a cooler". 2) Why not run the stock engine and run as many coolers as you want? Oh yea, you wanted to swap in an ungodly powerful engine and then complain after the fact that you don't have free coolers. 3) Teams that run 5+ races a year don't all bitch about not having enough free stuff. It's normally teams that squeak in with deflated values that were lobbied down, or teams that are running a 500 point car. If a car is valued at 500 points, its valued that high because it is a REALLY good car. It might have a few weaknesses, and if those are addressed it would then be better than a 500 point car. According to your logic, I should buy a Honda S2000. Run a 1 hour stint before running out of gas (13 gallons) and then petition that the car should get a 20 gallon tank. The reason the car is 500 points is because of that weakness. If it has a 20 gallon tank, it would be a 550 point car. So then I should level the field by giving all cars 20 gallons right? Then an E30 and an S2000 equal then, right? Wrong....... There are other series that allow free everything, and they are an arms race. The things that differentiate this series and make it better are/were an attempt to keep it budget friendly, and single class racing. Just my $.02........rant over.
  38. 20 points
    Well. Some of the kids started kicking sand at recess, then they tried to blame the other kids, Then someone tried to get little Tommy to eat a cat turd by telling him it was a tootsie rolll. Then we all had to go sit by the building until the bell rang. Now we're just saving energy for the post Daytona show.......
  39. 20 points
    For anyone just joining this thread, here are the Cliff notes. Champcar is looking into getting equipment to measure displacement Your engine probably won't be torn down at impound, even if you paid someone to protest your car for you to make a point Huggy cheats and Champcar is complicit! Or maybe not. Tuttle is a bunch of cheating bastiges and cannot be trusted If the make/model you are racing had an option for a thing, you can run it for free No you can't Well, maybe you can, if you can get it through tech Champcar allegedly decides on a new interpretation of a make/model's highest listed value requiring the turbo points to be added to the starting value if that make/model was made with a turbo option. Tuttle openly lists their claimed parts, but they're still screwed because of the bullet point just above this one Tuttle will be protested while they are going through tech even though you can only protest cars after the start of the race per the rules Someone needs to protest Tyler's cheaty LSD In unrelated news, the K-Mart across from the track is sold out of posterboard, sharpies, and pitchforks
  40. 20 points
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  41. 20 points
  42. 20 points
    Good conversation here and I enjoy hearing the feedback. I have stewarded over 75 ChumpCar events in the past seven years so I have a little bit of data to pull from. I remember the random green on track. I hated it. It was the opposite of racing, and it didn't take long for people to start bunching the fields to try to pick up the green. Dangerous and awkward. There was also the issue with people running at 100% on the pre race caution laps. This brought about the first use of the pace car. But there was an unmentioned issue that perhaps only I saw as the steward - people were not ready to go at the scheduled start time. I hate being late, ask my wife. So I had the idea that we would offer an incentive to be on time. If you would have your driver belted in and your engine running ready to hit the track on time, you could start on the pole behind the pace car. In the beginning, only a few were ready. These were the teams, and still are, who finish at the front. They prepare for the race and take it seriously. As the years went by and we grew, the number of cars in a race went from 30 to 100. More prepared teams were looking for that slight advantage of starting out front. Then, as usual this happens: To those who run perhaps one or two races per year, you may not have seen this. I did. A lot. And it was getting worse. Guys were skipping the drivers meeting to grid their car. Fights were breaking out out on pit road over position. WGI 17 was a highly publicized moment, but was not the first incident and it wouldn't be the last. That Sebring incident with Jimmie? It made it back to me and they were held back. There were words exchanged over that. I don't like to start my day that way. So the random advantage the top teams had by gridding early did exist, but it was becoming dangerous and unmanageable. Many of you came to me asking for something safer. In the end, what we tried at Gingerman, Buttonwillow and Sebring was not my idea, but one of yours. I said I would give it a shot and decide how it worked. In all three instances, it was easy, smooth and orderly. People were not rushing out of the drivers meeting. There were no tools carried up and down pit road, and cars were still ready to go when the pace car left. I like what I see and many of you have told me the same thing. As we have been working hard to standardize the ChumpCar experience from coast to coast, things like this are being written into our new operations manual. Going forward, all staff at all events will be able to reference procedures like this to manage the start of an event. It's not written into our BCCR because there are times we may want to try something fun like qualifying at the National Championship (not saying this is a thing, just using it as an example) and we need to have the flexibility. If we do plan on trying something different at a race, the event director will announce it ahead of time. Some of you have expressed concerns about accidents happening with fast cars at the back. Understand that the fast cars will always be moving through traffic. Whether they have to do it on lap one or lap four doesn't really matter. They still have to plan and execute clean passes all the time as they race for the lead. And for the new driver who is terrified about being in the middle of all the racing on their first lap, they are still welcome to waive off their grid spot and start at the back of the field. We had a large number of cars do this at Sebring last weekend. Don't get me wrong, with the incredibly close finishes we have in ChumpCar I know that where you start can have an impact on the finish. The problem is that qualifying is the only way to address that issue and it is not within our reach. An extra day of racing would not only cost you an extra $500+ in entry fees, but impact your travel dates and costs as well. My staff would run out of vacation days from their real jobs and we still haven't even addressed how we would grid 120 cars on Saturday morning at Daytona. There are limits to what can be done with the time and money we have to work with, so there are times that random will have an impact on the outcome of the race. But I can remember only one race where the 1st and 2nd place car were gridded in 1-2 as well. Had their grid positions been swapped, would they have finished differently? We'll never know. Keep feeding me your ideas and thoughts. My goal is to make this sport as enjoyable and safe for you as possible. We may all be amateurs, but we can make this as professional of an experience that you will find anywhere.
  43. 20 points
    Not to beat a dead horse here, but this is Chump car racing. It is designed to be cheap and accessible. You may be out on the track with someone with 50 races under there belt, and another who is in there first stint with wheel to wheel. You really need to think about that with every pass, car approaching ext. If you get upset when someone does something that is not within the bounds of race craft etiquette your blood pressure will be through the roof midway into a stint. If your more accepting that this is what it is you will be more relaxed and probably be faster and safer. Every racing organization (chump, lemons, wrc, scca, nasa) has different styles of driving and experience levels, to me I akin it to driving in different country, once you learn there rules of the road, it makes sense. I assume, most people are here for fun. Since you should be doing this for fun, and want more people to join, you also need to be tolerant of beginners and mistakes made by others. That means, yes you may have been cut off ext, and/or loose your position, that is just the good with the bad. If your here for ego reasons, or a rotor trophy with a warlock on it, your entry fee is probably better spent on a psychologist.
  44. 20 points
    I like a post like this. If anyone doubted the author's intent, it was not to criticize and throw mud - it was to offer insight and suggestions. But what I like best about these posts is not the specific content, it's the fact that they are here. Here on the ChumpCar forum offering suggestions for improvement. Here hoping that someone will listen and fix the problems. Why is this significant to me? Because when I have given up on companies in my life, I never look back. If people who used to run ChumpCar are still here participating in our discussions, then that tells me they believe that what is broken in ChumpCar is not beyond repair and they look forward to the day when they can come join the rest of the ChumpCar family on track again. That's good news to me and a goal I can work towards.
  45. 20 points
    Good question, good topic. While the rulebook states there is a two hour driver stint limit, you are all correct in showing how, in the absence of a definition in the rulebook, an RD can apply the rule. We advertise a race will run from A to B, say 9am as a start time. We send cars out a few minutes before 9am to check your transponders and hopefully get to throw the green flag at 9am. Usually we are a little late, say 9:05am. The driver stint time should not start at 9am because the race hasn't started yet - the race starts on the green flag, both in the timing computer and in reality. For this reason when I am asked at a race "when does our 2 hour driver stint time begin?" I tell them the time at which we dropped the green flag, or in the aforementioned example, 9am. Which reminds me, a race will always end at the advertised time. It's a contract issue. In regards to the start of a driver stint, the time is measured from Pit Out time to Pit In time. This would be actual time spent behind the wheel for the driver. Fueling and repairs on pit road do not count towards driver stint times. We obviously do not have two additional loops set up at PI and PO, so our driver stint calculations are close but not precise. We know where the pit loop is and where you are pitted at and we use this info to either add or subtract 5 minutes off of your lap time to determine when you left pit road. We can also see if you short pitted (less than 5 minutes). Towards the end of a race, there is also a time at which any car leaving pit road is good to go for the duration of the race. In other words, if you leave the pits at 2:01pm and the race ends at 4pm, we know that your last stint is automatically within compliance. Knowing that there is a few seconds of error built in to how we calculate pit times, and the fact that we are not racing for Million dollar purses, I have always allowed a grace period for driver stint times. This period has been the equivalent of one lap. If a lap at the track in question is 2 minutes, then a team would have up to 2:02 for a driver stint before I would issue a black flag. The penalty for going over on a driver stint is 4 minutes. Hopefully this clears things up for you. If you ever have a question about timing or event rules/policies, you are welcome to stop by the control tower and ask myself or Dana a question. Try not to ask me during a car fire though, I probably won't answer.
  46. 20 points
    I wanted to open a discussion sparked by the "Come to Jesus" meeting during the Road Atlanta race. I was not in the car when the race was blocked flagged but of course attended the meeting with the rest of my team. What was said was 100% valid. From the reports from our drivers and what I saw in the first stint and subsequent reports it was needed. It was good of Mike to pull the reigns in because while no one can guarantee it would happen but it seemed like we were going down the road of a massive accident at some point. And then the meeting was over and someone blurted out "Novices need to watch their mirrors". And this comment, which was also yelled right after the first driver's meeting needs to be addressed. In my opinion this train of thought is why at some races we are seeing the aggressive driving. The 'fast guys' and 'fast cars' for some reason think they are the owner of the track and everyone else should get out of their way. Guess what... it is the job of the person MAKING THE PASS to handle it safely and over and over again while in the driver's seat I watch the much faster car dive bomb and muscle their way past a slow car. I am not the best driver but I have a lot of laps racing and instructing at Road Atlanta so it's a track I am familiar with... and honestly a lot of the driving was awful. I drove the 8:30-10pm stint and would have assumed after a meeting like that the driving would have improved. Boy was I wrong. Two situations stand out. I won't single out any cars specifically of course. Don't think that is necessary. I came down the esses with some single car about 5 car lengths back. I setup and took the standard line knowing he would then slingshot past me coming up the hill. NOPE... he choose to go two off driver's left before the hill. His lights were not even up to the driver's door... so I guess it was 'his corner' in his mind. I had to adjust my line mid apex to move over so he did not hit me. Why? How is that 'passing safely'? Few laps later I exit turn 7 with a few cars back in 6 that I saw coming quickly. I exit turn 7 and drift back to track right so I am on the outside going into 10A. Give everyone plenty of room. I run down the back straight about 1/2 a car width off track right. Three cars approach and two go left and the fastest decides to swerve to my right and pass two off in the grass on the back straight. That was his 'safe passing' decision. Flashing through my mind is he is going to lose it and take me out... THIS is the kind of mindset that is causing these issues in my opinion. If you are the 'fast' car then use your speed and skill to safely go around. Not muscling your way through via a bullying move that is either "MOVE or we are making contact". Everyone thinks they are The Stig but some should reel in their aggression.
  47. 20 points
    I really think this club based thing where members can propose and make rule changes is a bad thing. Ultimately each idea will be benefiting the the proposer in one way or the other. From the outside looking in this series could be viewed as chaotic and unstable. Sadly we have only ourselves to blame for it. I would love to have the dictator back.
  48. 20 points
    I like this. I'll edit my posted supps to reflect the deadlines this week.
  49. 19 points
  50. 19 points
    I'm reading this thread and I'm a bit troubled by the fact that a lot of the content is about settling the scores between teams who had contact during the race. Are other readers all that interested in those debates? Can't you rather discuss at the event, or by sending each other nasty emails? I'm for sure no subject matter expert, and for this race I was only in the pit lane and not out on the track. But this is a series for amateurs and among the 500 drivers there are going to be good drivers, bad drivers and absolute boneheads. Take that in consideration. There are drivers who prefer not to use their mirrors at all and will pull out in front of you in deliberation or in complete unawareness. There are fast cars who prefer not to use their brakes and will hit you if you veer into their paths. If one doesn't like dents, both mirrors and brakes are good tools to use. (Easy for me to say who never aim for podium positions...) I think we have moved from being clueless scared newbies in a rolling chicane of a car, to being relatively confident and relatively quick and consistent - the thing I have noticed during all these years is that there are a few teams who are VERY quick (Rbank, Simon...thinking of you guys here) who never scared me regardless of how slow I was or which strange lines I decided to take. They'd leave some space, they'd pass when they could do that cleanly and effectively and I'd generally just never notice them much until I checked the results. And there were other teams who would seemingly assume that I knew what I was doing and would blow by me with no margins for error - and somehow those teams were very often active in these forum discussions about who was to blame for contact... Yes, one does learn pretty quickly which cars to stay away from, both when passing and getting passed! Just my two cents. Now back to the blaming again!
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