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  1. To our esteemed membership, I have some very serious reservations about what has happened over the past week within our club. I want you, the membership, to know that I DO NOT support some things and am working diligently behind the scenes to get to the bottom of what's going on. Firstly, Mr Chisek's Red Flag Video was posted and his words and actions are not shared by myself. Mr Chisek has acted unilaterally in deciding to censor our forums and social media as well as has acted without the Board's support to threaten to remove member's who question the way our series is run. I can assure each and every one of you that so long as I remain on this board of directors (13 more months) that I will fight tooth and nail to protect every member who questions our series when we're at fault. As of this note, Tuesday at 3pm, the Board of Directors has not met nor officially discussed any actions resulting from Barber. I will be working to try to get these posts restored. Mr Chisek is not a benevolent dictator and these kinds of decisions will not be made alone. Mr Chisek states clearly we, as a series, have faulted. That' on US. We need to make it right. I completely disagree with the assessment that because we made a mistake that we would not accept a protest. Yes, our mistake CLEARLY affected the team that crossed the line first on Saturday. It's a shame. And we need to make it right. However by trying to make it right for one team we've done the other 60 teams that were on track wrongly. If our staff do not or can not understand our rules to apply them consistently then we as a series need to look at ourselves and ask if we have the right people in the right places. If a team does not comply to our rules then we need to be prepared to remove them from the podium. In this particular case, assuming Mr Chisek's video gave the full details, the teams that discussed protesting opted to waive their right to protest. I'd like to thank those team captains for having the class to not want to win the race in impound and wanting to do so on the track. I also understand that there is a serious perception issue with the ShiftUp program, Shell/Pennzoil and the CCES staff. CCES is not affiliated with Shell/Pennzoil, the sponsors found on the R3R cars. Having CCES employees on social media taking "Shellfies" to promote this program while wearing CCES clothing and promoting ShiftUp in conjuction with ChampCar is not something we should be doing. Even to me it gives the perception that we are working with Shell. We are not and our employees should only be promoting those sponsors working directly with ChampCar. ShiftUp is a great program and deserves our support. But it should have been supported without mention of any corporate entities. We love having them in the series and look forward to seeing ShiftUp again soon. I personally want to apologize to the membership for the way this past week has played out, publicly and privately. Just know that the Board is working diligently behind the scenes to protect you, the membership, above all.
    43 points
  2. I think your question is legitimate. ChumpCar has existed for quite a while and has changed much since it's inception. While some of that change can be directly traced to me since I have taken over, I have been around since the beginning and have seen it all. Let's be honest - ChumpCar was founded by a guy who was liking what he saw in the 24 Hours of Lemons and started his own version of it. $500 junkers and track time were the core of the endurance world back then. The problem was that the world had a "Lemons" experience already and they didn't need or want another one. Lemons does what they do well. People who didn't fit it with the Lemons business model were looking for something a little more racey and polished (cars that is). ChumpCar quickly became that place. Along the way our tracks filled up with BMW's and Miata's. To this day, these are the two most common cars on any track in any club. Why? They are good and they are cheap. Building a winning race car is difficult for a pro, almost impossible for an amateur. One way to make it easier is to start with a factory car that is good at racing. There is no shame in picking up a clean used E36, paying a guy to put a good cage in it and then go racing. It is better that a new team joins our sport that way than give up trying to build or track a random car their neighbor gave them. It's really no different than Samsung and Apple dominating the cell phone market. There are plenty of other choices in smart phones out there but almost everyone out there buys a Samsung or Apple. Why? They work well and the aftermarket supports them. While BMW's and Miata's make up much of our fields, there is still plenty of variety on track and on the podium. Take a look at a few of our recent podiums: Sebring: 1 - Lexus SC300 2 - Porsche 944 3 - Mitsubishi 3000GT 4 - Toyota Supra Buttonwillow: 1 - Miata 2 - E36 3 - Miata Gingerman: 1 - E36 (318i) 2 - Neon 3 - Civic I for one like the variety and the close finishes. One lap separated 3rd from 1st at Gingerman. One might argue that all or most of the cars listed are expensive to acquire and this is evidence that we have lost our roots. But what should they be driving? Is there a list of cars that are acceptable for budget racing? In the end wouldn't every team want to build the car that gave them the best chance of winning a race or that they can buy the cheapest or enjoy the most? Ultimately people will choose from what is available in their part of the country. This selection varies. While Datsun's are popular out West, you almost never see them East of the Mississippi. Bad car choice? No, they just rusted away years ago with the salt and humidity out here. But I digress... The cars have gotten nicer, cleaner and faster since 2009. Some of this is due to the fact that we don't require cars to cost $500 anymore. So whereas in the past you had to find and race a $500 E36, now you can buy a $3600 E36 and race that. Some would say this is a problem, that we have abandoned the little guy and made racing too expensive. I do not. First of all, racing is expensive no matter how you slice it. Race for a season or two and the cost of travel and consumables will soon out weigh the cost of the initial car purchase. Many would argue that starting with a cleaner platform will save you money in the long run anyway with less worn out parts to replace. Second, I have heard the argument that a nice looking car is too expensive and ruining our sport. Paint and vinyl has nothing to do with how fast a car goes. Appearance is optional. If a team doesn't mind their car looking like it lost a fight with a tree, so be it. But others enjoy the chance to recreate an old livery they they saw on TV as a kid, or just enjoying the look of their shiny race car. You asked where are we going and I feel like I'm preaching. I will tell you what concepts are in my head and that I check every idea against daily. 1. ChumpCar is committed to keeping road course endurance racing accessible to the average Joe. 2. We are committed to keeping every driver safe on track and on pit road. 3. We are committed to keeping the costs of racing as low as reasonably possible. 4. We are committed to giving all our members a voice and actively seeking your input. 5. We are committed to the growth and success of this member owned club so that there will always be a place for average Joe's to come race. 6. We are committed to the fair treatment of all members with no regard given to how much money one has or who they know. 7. We are committed to providing a professional experience for every member at the event. 8. We are committed to giving our members as much track time as possible. What does all this lead to? We are adding more cars to our list of acceptable vehicles. Newer models that in some cases are all the way up to current generation models. We are constantly analyzing vehicle values to ensure as much parity as possible on track that leads to more close finishes like we've had. We are looking at ways to improve driver safety and communication on track through technology and policies. We are adding and stabilizing good dates at great tracks that work with your schedule and budget giving you the best places to race in North America. We are adding staff to the organization that believe in these policies and uphold them consistently coast to coast. We are using new and existing methods or communication to reach new racers that just don't know they are racers yet and grow our family of members. We are and will continue to make changes that provide a better experience for our members up to and including our new name which will be announced in November of this year. In the end, I'm not oblivious of the fact that we will not be the club that everyone wants to be a part of. Some people have different goals and are looking to get something else out of their racing. We can't be everything to everyone. But we have a set of rules that I and many others believe in and we will hone our rough edges and practice what we do until we are perfect at it. Along the way we will give thousands of average Joe's a chance to do what they never thought possible - race on world class tracks wheel to wheel with other average Joe's.
    39 points
  3. Well... almost two years ago this was my situation.... Last night... running at 11 pm... after losing two cars, a trailer, tools, shop, everything.. to then be nominated and awarded this Sportsmanship award for our team is so awesome and I can't tell you guys how much it means to me to be back first and foremost and have my team name on the entry form... to actually run some laps was just icing on the cake... even though we spent several hours off track, we learned a lot about our car, our setup, and finally I have some real world data to work with.... Thank you to everyone that has helped me, thank you to Mike and Staff... too many people to thank.. big shout out to the people who contributed to that GoFundMe a while back... every bit of it was part of making last night happen...
    31 points
  4. Hey, just thought I'd give a shout out to Gainesville Tire which is about 3 miles west of Road Atlanta. After our truck got ran into by Cone Crushers and cut a stem / ruined a tire, we mounted our two spare wheels / tires on the truck in the pits. We had two new unmounted tires in our trailer. I happened to run into Randy Pobst in the pits and I asked him if there was a close place to get our two new tires mounted on our wheels. He told me to leave the track, turn left, and go about 2 or 3 miles and Gainesville Tire would be on the right. He was dead on (as usual). We took off and I walked into Gainesville Tire wearing my Killer Tomato driving suit. I told the dude in the office that we were in the middle of a race at Road Atlanta and asked if they could mount two tires for me quickly. The dude jumped up like his arse was on fire and began shouting orders to his minions. He told them to take care of what I needed and to do it quickly. I rolled our stuff into the shop and they began mounting our tires. They actually cut us in the front of like 7 or 8 other regular customers. They actually pulled wheels / tires off their machines to start doing ours. They cleaned our rims with brake cleaner, applied the stick on weights inside, and put heat shield tape over the weights. The dude even allowed for the weight of the tape when he put the weights on! They really knew what they were doing and they obviously are racer friendly! They cut me a cash "racer discount" out the door I went. Just thought I would mention it here on the forum for future use.
    31 points
  5. It would be nice if there were a single number I had to focus on, but it doesn't work that way. The reality is that each track has it's own price and there are varying costs for staff and travel. -Track prices range from $6,000 per day to $60,000 per day. -Some tracks charge a "turn key" price, while others only charge for the track. -All events require (and are included in turn key prices) corner workers, an ambulance, a fire truck and tow truck. -Staffing levels are determined by the event attendance. I have 24 people working Daytona but only 8 at Autobahn. -Increased staffing leads to increased travel costs (they have to sleep and eat). -A few tracks have limits on the number of cars allowed on track (AMP, Laguna Seca and Mid Ohio). -The only constants are my insurance and the trophies. -Events also need to make enough money to cover corporate expenses as well (website hosting, accounting, office supplies, etc). With all of the variables that go into our expenses, and the attendance forecasting we have to do over 12 months in advance, it's possible for us to lose money with 60 cars at one track and make money with 25 cars at another track. We can lower the minimum number of cars required to break even, but that means we raise the entry fee for the event. While I would love to see all events in the black, mostly what matters is that for the year, the club is in the black. When I say I need 20 cars to make this happen, part of that statement is just ensuring that the teams have enough other cars to race against. 12 cars is a track day, not a race. The other part is calculating how much of a loss am I willing to take to host the event. So this is why sometimes I may say I need 20 cars to make it happen and other times you may hear 35. If we just sell out every event though, we'll be ok. Hope this answers your question.
    29 points
  6. Crap, had started typing quite a bit and now its zapped, lost *mumbles something about hating computers* Deep breath, Im here, will get to a little race recapping, provide some answers, and forward facing videos soon, but most importantly: ChampCar staff, volunteers, and Club members: A big Thank You from Team Infiniti! Mike, Luis and I are blown away, still recovering and processing everything that has happened over the last weekend. This win is dedicated to Jake.
    28 points
  7. Okay, so we completed our first race. The S10 fared 33rd out of 101 who ran. Not bad. I'm proud of the truck and our team. It was a great weekend. The weather was perfect despite The Weather Channel and despite the snow chaos that sandwiched both weeks before and after the event. There were some wrecks and some destroyed cars, but as far as I know, everyone thankfully, walked away. Did I have a blast? You bet your sweet ascot. I've NEVER raced anything...legally. I enjoyed racing, driving hard, pit stops, the smell of rubber and unburnt 93 octane, 100% gasoline (our truck was running rich so we didn't completely break down the entire hydrocarbon chain), passing cars, laying rubber, and consuming car parts that a sane person wouldn't have to change for 50,000 miles of normal driving. However, there's an aspect that came out of our first race I never expected to discover. Since last weekend, my race partner and I have discussed this at length. We enjoyed the pure, unperverted freedom that came with the event. I can't speak for where everyone works, but ChumpCar allowed us to experience what real teamwork is, what real success feels like, where at a moment's notice split second decisions MUST be made for success, where indecisiveness and selfishness can't and do not exist. There is real fun, excitement, and joy. Where you can share this with family and friends. Where EVERYONE there shared the dedication to fun and safety. Safety at my job is a BS mantra. However, I witnessed many folks thinking and doing things concerned about their safety and the safety of other teammates and other teams at Road Atlanta. Danger is real at a race. Everyone's dedication to safety at such an event with so many cars, at such a fast track is a testament to that. In a big way, it all seemed like everyone was on the same team. We saw teams lend other teams spare parts, lend advice for race strategy, driving in a competitive but safe manner, pick-up trash that wasn't there's and cheer for an over-zealous driver that kept his car from nailing the wall in the first test session. No one wanted to see anyone destroy their racecar they've worked so hard on. Now that life is back to normal and I'm back to work, it makes our first weekend with ChumpCar seem like a dream. One I can't wait to live it again.
    28 points
  8. Doc and I met a bunch of years ago at Sebring, where he set the FTD of the event by pitting next to my RSm team near the timing loop. and he never let me forget that. I loved working with Doc. He was a character. And a really funny one. Most don't know that we faked pretty much every minute of the broadcasts. We just learned by experience. But one thing Doc did not fake was his preparation for each and every race. He was well versed on who was racing, and what their past records were. I would get text messages from pitlane telling me that they had totally forgot some fact about them that Doc just stated on the show. He was amazing like that. Doc hated when I would make fun of his roof mounted "dildo". "It's a beer tap!" he would reply back in his booming voice. Doc served in the US Navy, stationed and living just a few doors away from my own home in San Diego. We were separated by 7 or so years in age., but we visited and did a lot of the same things in that area in the early to mid-1970s. He loved the F-14 Tomcat and was at Miramar when the Navy's newest fighter was deployed for the first time. The Enterprise was his ship. He loved her. I loved when I would point to him, and make some old man joke, and then he would quickly fire back with great come back. He also knew how to poke me. and it was funny. He was like an older brother to me. we fought, we argued, but we always came away as friends. There were times when I was his boss on the weekends, and he could not wait until Monday morning when he could set me straight as he was back to being one of my bosses as a board member. And on the board of directors... he loved that job. But there were also some aspects of it he hated. But he did the work. He was the clubs statistician. The work Doc did helped ChampCar with the elections, with the Championships, and of course, with my marketing. He learned on the fly like most of do here at ChampCar. 24-Hour events. He hated me. Especially when we did the Summer of 24s. Three 24-Hour races, almost in a row. Yes, they were my idea. Doc and I would work 34-36-hours straight during those events. One event we both may have been up easily 40-hours as we had to travel. It was insane. And the old guy reveled in the fact that he could outlast my 7-year younger self during these events. Of course he sat in the studio the whole event. lol. Doc was most proud of his son Nolan. His son is the same age as my son and daughter, so we had a lot of the same stories of adventures. He was so stoked that his son wanted to pursue film in study after high school. What was even cooler was that Nolan would come with Doc on our adventures and help us out on the show. Doc wanted so bad to go to Watkins Glen. But life and work got in the way of him being able to attend the Memorial Day weekend events at WGI. In 2021, he was finally able to attend and work with me in the tower putting on the show. His sonm Nolan was able to attend as well. Doc started his trip to WGI by visiting the civil war parks in Pennsylvania. He found it fascinating. At the track our time is very limited due to the prep and setup for the shows. But when we finally sit down and Paulie plays the track intro, that's when we get to rest and have fun. And boy did we. His son was able to take pictures of the cars at the race, and Doc worked with him helping him learn the tricks of the trade. I am going to miss Doc a lot. He was an important person in my life's adventure. One that taught me many lessons about life, being happy, crashing into race track objects, and photography. He also was the man who found the solution to my in-car camera rigs that works so well, the DW Mount. I cry because I wanted him to win a trophy in racing so bad. That is one item he did not accomplish. And one that Paulie and I rubbed in a lot. We would always display our racing trophies behind us in Zoom meetings, and pointing them out just in case he missed them, which he never did. The last time we spoke with Doc was a week ago as we prepared for the Board of Directors meeting with a dry run. We had fun, again, displaying our trophies behind us as a backdrop. Doc , gonna miss you buddy.
    27 points
  9. This is not an official response from ChampCar, but I wanted to get it up and out there as I typed up my thoughts from this past weekend and impound.
    26 points
  10. There is no excuse for my behavior that will make it acceptable. I owe an explanation, at least as far as I understand it after trying to figure it out for myself. I came to Champ from a different series and limited understanding of the differences in the cars. My experience was with SE30 on track, and I made assumptions about Huggins' car based upon that knowledge. As you mention, having won 3 races in a row, there was chatter in the paddock like, "Huggins is too fast, he has to be cheating." Hearing that over and over again, and applying my mistaken understanding of what an m20 motor was capable of, I became convinced that it must be the truth. I was tired and angry, and wrote what I wrote. I reacted to the responses on Facebook, and it escalated. People have rightly criticized me for tarnishing Huggins' win with baseless accusations. However, Mr. Huggins, I think that in your response to this, you have given all of us a lesson in how to be an exemplary racer, and in fact strengthened your reputation. I have been told in private messages from many that you are a very open and generous team leader, and have been more than willing to help others along the way. Had I taken the time too get to know you and your team, I would have known that, but I didn't. I was all to happy to jump to conclusions, finding it far too easy to dislike someone I didn't know. I became something we all dislike. Believe me when I say this has led to profound soul searching. Thankfully life is long, and we have the opportunity to learn lessons, particularly when they come the hard way. For the second day, I am moping around angry at myself for my behavior. I think the best and most mature thing I can do is maintain a presence in the forum, and take the licks I deserve. I have been asked if I am interested in driving for the 24 hour race at VIR. The thought of showing my face is mortifying, but I think it is the right thing to do, and I owe it to the Series and the Huggins team. I hope that by that time, you will have forgiven me. I also hope that my comments don't reflect poorly upon SriRacing. I am saddened that my comments will surely mar your impression of SriRacing and his other drivers for some time. Please don't have contempt for Sri or his other drivers on my account, they had nothing to do with my outburst. I apologize for slinging mud at the series. I bear most of the responsibility for the tone of the FB posts as anybody, because I started it. I hope that my behavior in the future can mend my reputation. Also, I realize that I made another typo yesterday. Sri's cars have the m50b25 engines in them. I just can't get out of my own way.
    26 points
  11. Good morning folks. I had a great discussion with Mike Chisek and Bill Riley yesterday. I knew that the TAC was working on about 5 or 6 additional cars that need revalued on the VPI list so for 2021 there will be some VPI changes as we were finalizing these items to put in the BCCR when we release the final version. I have not seen a draft of the BCCR yet, but I know there are people working hard to get this completed. Now I did suggest that the GBU go through tech with a TAC member present so the car could be revalued appropriately to make sure there were no items missed. Now we can't take back what happened on Saturday at impound. I am sorry for how Rob was treated by the ChampCar staff and I know Mike has talked with Rob. As a BOD I want to make sure rules are being applied correctly and to all teams the same way. We need more items in the BCCR from the Tech Desk and from these tech rulings at races. That is why the Tech Desk was setup. The only thing this will make happen is for the rule book getting longer, but teams should be able to build more to the BCCR and not to Tech Desk rulings. Bill Riley said he is working with ChampCar to make it right and to make sure everything is 100% correct on his car, that is why I suggested the re-tech at Road America with a TAC member present. Again there is no problem with Bill's build, it is how the points are applied. I think if the GBU started with laps and had an epic chase down that would be the spirit of ChampCar. We are not perfect, we are all human and we are doing what we can to help bring parity where we can. As always if you have any questions then feel free to reach out to me. This is all the information I know at this time and what we are currently working on.
    25 points
  12. Guys we are not waiting. We are implementing a possible solution starting at NCM. Let's see how it goes. If it doesn't get the job done, we will take further action.
    25 points
  13. Cells were measured yesterday, by the dimensions that were found they were questioned, told they had blocks inside. Took that as valid yesterday, today two teams videotaped them putting in fuel and took pics of the cans before they went into the car. Yes, three protests were filed, 2 for 108 and 1 for 107, the team explained that both cars were identically built, so they only did the pump out/capacity check on the 108. After removing all fuel from the cell, the team provided 3 fuel cans with 4 gallons, stating that was all they had left. Champ staff too the other empty cans and filled them with fuel from the track and then continued to add it to the cell. At one point, when the 18ish gallons went in it was decided to pull off the filler neck from the fuel cell and actually inspect the level in the tank. They were able to add up to 20.5 gallons total before it reached the top. So over the +2 capacity. There were three board members attending the race and a lengthy discussion was had, as to be assumed lots of colorful language was hurled, but a decision was made. Regardless of how and who this happened to, I really appreciate that staff listened to membership and checked this out. There were things on the first day with both cars that were issues, discussed and removed before the start of today as well. Outside of the 1.5hr impounds, this was a great event like always. Everyone on track was courteous(mostly), a lot of point byes were given, and everyone seemed to have a smile on their face. It was really nice to get back out and race with everyone, and we could not have asked for nicer weather!
    24 points
  14. The Cobra is not dead. It was pulled apart this morning. No unibody or subframe damage. It appears to be cosmetic with a bent knuckle (which is easily fixed).
    24 points
  15. Just got home. What a way to cap off the weekend! Race recap tomorrow
    24 points
  16. We're one of the teams with a big rig. So, I'll chime in and tell you why we are racing in ChampCar. #1 reason...it is fun! We had so much fun at the VIR 24 in 2018 that we decided to ditch the sprint racing and come join this fun series. It is really that simple. Racing is supposed to be fun and the sprint racing wasn't fun anymore. This is what amateur racing is supposed to be. Fun and friendly. Value: We spent crazy money to get less track time in a week at Sonoma for the Runoffs than we get in a single stint in ChampCar. We did consider selling the rig and getting something more practical. But, to be honest, we like the rig. It's paid for and it has some nice amenities. We figured that it would also help sell seats to the guys that we're trying to bring into our program. Our goal is for every driver that gets in one of our cars to be respectful and humble. We're the rookies in this series and we're here to learn and race respectfully. We had a drivers meeting before the race and we talked about respect, patience, and being humble. Please come stop by and say hi, when you see us this year. You'll find that we're down to earth guys who are racing ChampCar to have fun. Yes, we're probably bringing cars that cost more to build and our rig is fancy, but our beer isn't any colder than yours.
    24 points
  17. Call me a prick but I just sent a note to the Board outlining that I haven't seen anything indicating a permanent change in behavior that would lead me to want to see them back in the series again. It's still a team of renters with more money than brains, and run by a guy who was culprit number one. I'm just one Board member but I'm still saying no to MCM. Our series is better off without him and the attitude that has led to at least a half dozen other cars being damaged, some beyond repair. We are lucky someone wasn't seriously injured (so far). I never have a problem being outspoken and I probably am again in this case just like the dumb fender flare rule and other times when I've stood alone. If Dana lets them back in, I hope he knows what he is doing and MCM has given some compelling arguments for real change. I don't care about his apprenticeship program, money for documentaries or anything else if they go out and wad up other team's cars.
    23 points
  18. I had the opportunity to spend this past weekend in the timing tower, which put me in the position to see the flagtronics devices in "full scale" action. Since I have been a vocal opponent to Champcar mandating teams purchase these boxes in the past, I feel its important I relay my experience this weekend. I still have concerns, but I also was able to see the benefits first hand, and learned about the boxes capabilities. This isn't going to be a full scale endorsement of the boxes, but in one weekend, I went from 100% opposed "I dont want it in my car, I dont want to spend the money!" to about 90% convinced "Take my money please". I reached out to James yesterday and got the OK to discuss anything that happened this weekend, but he hasn't read this before it was posted. This is my opinion as a Champcar racer and as a BOD member, and what I think is the best direction forward for the series. 1. Flagging This is the part of the device I am still not 100% sold on, but I will address it first because its in the name and has been the primary marketing lever. Things that worked well, and are an improvement/benefit over the current system. A. Black Flags: Champcar was able to call cars in with in-car black flag delivery instead of manual display of the flag/number board at the Start/Finish. This worked great in a few specific cases, in fact it almost worked too great once. Example 1: Car was smoking badly, which was called in as the car was about midway around the track. Instead of having to circulate back to the S/F, receive the flag, and make another entire lap (so 1.5 laps since smoking was called in), the car was immediately delivered the flag via the flagtronics unit, and it came in that lap (so only .5 laps since smoking). In this case, the car was able to be repaired and sent back out. Did the unit save the car from running out of oil, or save Champcar from having to clean up a mess on the track? Maybe, or maybe not, but the potential is there. Example 2: Car was to be called in for leaking fuel. Flag was delivered as the car exited the last turn via flagtronics. Driver immediately saw it and dove onto pit road, probably about 50 feet to late. In this case, it kept the car from leaking fuel for the next lap. Lesson to the Champcar team to be cognizant of when the flag is delivered via flagtronics, so as to not create a dangerous dive onto pit road. Thankfully in this case there was no incident and the car was able to return to track safely after visiting its pit box. B. Track Safety/EMS The flagtronics team was sitting adjacent to VIR's flagger "control" and VIR's EMS/Wrecker dispatch personnel. There were multiple times when I saw them turning to the flagtronics display, which showed all cars on a GPS map view, to see exactly where a car was stopped on track. Example 1: In the first hour of the race, a car lost its brakes and as a result went off track. WAY off track, all the way down to north course, and outside of the view of the closest flagger on south-course's radio. Fortunately, VIR's north-flagger channel was able to jump in and help dispatch the wrecker crew. At the same time, the flagtronics team got its first opportunity to show its locating ability directly to VIR;s safety team, who were all visibly impressed, and were able to give radio calls on the south radio network indicating the car's position. Example 2: At night, it becomes difficult for the flaggers to identify cars and to reliably identify their location in relation to the track surface in specific situations (like stopped halfway between two flag stations and over a small rise). This happened multiple times in the dark, and "control" immediately turned around in the tower and looked at the map to accurately make decisions about needing to go FCY or P35 and which wrecker team to dispatch. C. Purple 35 Flagtronics knows how fast you are going. It currently does not tell the driver the recorded speed (instead it only shows a purple screen with an inset 35 to indicate the current flag condition), but it has the capability to do so. With this, Champcar can bring P35 to almost every track it visits, in addition to enforcing it being actually P35. This will more accurately mimic the pro-level "virtual safety car" practice, and with every car going the same speed remove the random affects of slow or fast packs during P35 to reduce impact on track position on the leaders. P35 is a benefit to everyone in my experience, because if the track safety team is willing to work under it, it results in a quicker return to green flag by 1-2 pace car speed laps. Some tracks will likely not be willing to work under it (WGI for example), but it will help at any track that will, and we can use it even if the track doesn't have P35 flags. In addition, it allowed us to use P35 at night. At VIR, once it gets dark, its impossible to see the purple flags, so every FCY becomes a double-yellow situation or a pace car situation, or a compromise based on the portable light boxes that Champcar used to use. Flagtronics lets us use P35 at night, since every car will have a local indicator of P35 even if the flag station is hard to see. Things that are still a work in progress, or need improvement D. Pit Stop Timers: This isn't really an improvement that the flagtronics team needs to make to the device. This is a communication issue between everyone. Once the standard is known, I believe this is a non issue. The flagtronics device has a GPS "gate" at pit in, and starts a timer as the car enters pit road. Currently, everyone knows we use the small magnetic kitchen timers that a Champcar employee or volunteer sets to 5:00 and hits start. They then count down to zero and start beeping (if the beeper still works, lol). The flagtronics box instead starts at 0:00 and counts up. This way, when it exceeds 5:00, the team will know how much extra pit time they took and have a metric to work on for improvement. This caused some confusion for drivers and for the Champcar pit-out workers at the first round of stops, even with us still using the kitchen timers. Once pit out radioed up to the tower and got the correct information, it became a non issue. It just needs to be noted so everyone using the device knows how it works and can use that information appropriately. Since its different from the current standard, it will take some mental re-configuring to get used to. I believe it to be a superior method, so I look forward to using it. E. Rules Alignment, Driver Perception - Full System Shift On the basic flagging side of things (display full course yellows, display green flag under normal condition), there are some very specific timing and perception issues that need to be considered. I want to be clear that in the race last weekend, the flagtronics device was only being used for full course situations (Green, Yellow, (thankfully never red), Purple), and for single-car black flags. No local-yellow displays were sent. I do not know the answer to all of this, so I can't make specific criticisms and suggest solutions, but these are what I am thinking about in this point: Example 1: Flagtronics displays green, but flagger in turn 1 is waving local yellow due to an incident that just occurred. Example 2: Flagtronics has JUST switched to green after a P35, but the flagger in turn 5 is showing yellow and purple flags still. These situations, and i'm sure many more, need to be considered. Both of the above definitely happened this past weekend. Before the existence of flagtronics, a driver had one system of reference to rely on - the person holding the flag. If the next flag was not yet visible, the driver assumed whatever condition presented by the previous flagger was in effect until the next flag became visible. Tracks attempted to minimize this portion of "assumed condition" by placing enough flaggers in the correct locations to avoid dead zones. Now, we have a potential 2nd system of record, which makes conflicts possible. What does a driver do when his two systems of reference disagree? Part of this issue is a result of system acceptance or saturation issues. Lets pretend that every car has a flagtronics device, and we are 100% confident that the device is installed correctly and will be reliable for the entire race. Theoretically, we could pay the flaggers to stand and monitor the race, and instead of pulling out a flag at a sign of incident, they could be supplied with a flagtronics controller which would dispatch the correct signal to approaching cars. This would eliminate the two systems of reference by eliminating the flag entirely (or replacing it with a local display board at each station which is also controlled by the flagtronics controller). At some point, I hope we can get there, but until then we need to write the rules so every driver knows how to react when differing commands are received. F. Local Conditions - Yellow, Debris, Pass Flags, etc These were not attempted during this past race, but we did discuss them. Part of the debate is determining "zones" around the track (think sectors like in iracing, but more of them - with each "zone" being the responsibility of a flagger. VIR Full for example has 18 flaggers, plus S/F, so could potentially have 19 or 20 zones). This also plays into the previous point of "alignment" and driver expectation. Example 1. Car is stopped on track just past station 1, in direct view of station 2. I attached an image (see bottom of post) trying to indicate the situation, with some hypothetical zones generated. In my example, SF would be standing yellow, Station 1 would be waving yellow, Station 2 is unoccupied, and station 3 is no flag Currently, there is the perception that if you are past the incident, and see the next station is green, you can go back to racing. With flagtronics, its much more complicated to make that work out on the display. It might be possible using the broken car's location, etc, etc, but thats not realistic to expect at launch. What we would have to do is change that perception to say, you cant go back racing until the flagtronics says you can, which might be 20-50 yards down the track once you get into station 3's zone. I know you can see station 3 from the location of the example stopped car, but you cant go again until the box says you can. Enforcement of that gets even trickier, since the flaggers don't necessarily have a visual indicator of where the zones change or where the lights on the dash change in each car. 2. Scoring The big deal, that Is less visible to teams/drivers but needs to be considered. This hasn't really be publicly discussed from what I recall, but I got the OK to discuss it here, so I'm going to try and explain it as I understand it. We all know how AMB (the transponder people) aren't really friendly to us racers. For years we have been holding onto no longer produced transponders to avoid buying the X2 units which were A: unreliable and B: required a subscription, without providing any additional benefit. Now they have finally released a battery transponder with no subscription, but there is still no solution for wired. Well AMB on the series/track side is just as bad, if not worse. AMB is discontinuing support for Orbits 4, which is the software most tracks/series use to score races. Its not been for sale for some time, and on July 30 2020 it was slated for end of support/service. That got an extension due to covid, but its still coming. What that means, is that if any of the Orbits 4 installs owned by Champcar fail, they cannot be recovered. If the hard drive dies, the laptop is lost or stolen, etc. - no replacement, since AMB will not authorize a new install. Potentially, AMB has the power to brick all Orbits 4 installs remotely, since the computer has to be placed online to upload the scoring to mylaps and race hero/race monitor. Nothing indicates they will do this, but its possible. The intent is to push everyone onto Orbits 5, which you guessed it - has a subscription fee. Well it actually gets worse, because Orbits 5 is "exclusively for X2 devices", meaning it won't work with the current decoder's Champcar owns. *I think it still works with older transponders - I sure hope so for all of us* Decoders are the boxes Champcar takes to each track and plugs into the timing loops, which receive the pings from each car and supply it to the timing computer. Champcar has multiple of these (Each race director has a set - A primary and a Backup, and sometimes a pit-loop one as well). Replacing these would require purchasing an "X2" server, plus 3 X2 Decoders (Primary, Pit, Backup), for each race director (or at a minimum, one set and risking shipping it around the country as needed, which would prevent us from hosting concurrent races as has happened in the past). So switching to Orbits 5 is an expensive situation. In order to replace the current equipment Champcar owns (and is in serviceable condition, but would be unlikely to be resold since everyone has this same problem), the price tag would be steep. Prices and subscription fees for organizations aren't published from what I can see, so I can't quote a price directly, but from what I understand its significant enough that our organization wouldn't be able to absorb the cost without considerable adjustment. Well, hopefully, Flagtronics will be able to help us (the racing community) solve that. The capability to do the timing/scoring of the race via the flagtronics devices is already in the hardware. The software side is what needs to be developed, but the Flagtronics team is working on it as I understand. The software is already there to track the cars in real time via a GPS overview. It looks just like the track map you see on the TV broadcast for nascar or imsa races, with the cars being placed on a track line map with a bubble showing the car number moving around in real time. I discussed that above when indicating its usefulness to the track safety teams. The reliability of the worlds GPS network is at an all time high, and the accuracy is down to the sub-meter level as it stands. I was a bit lost on the technical side as this was being explained, but there is some coming tech that will allow that to be improved to the centimeter level, to the point where flagtronics placement on the car will be visible on the scoring system. Thats well beyond what is required to make an effective timing/scoring system, as what we have now is placement agnostic (some teams place in the rear, some in the front, etc) From actually working the timing system, this is an exciting prospect, as it has the opportunity to help with a couple of the common issues. Example 1: Pit loop - when a team's pit stall is on or near the pit loop, and the team is stopped for their pit stop, its common for the car to score multiple laps even though it isn't moving. The orbits software allows you to set a "minimum lap time" and will flag anything below that, but these short laps still need to be manually removed. This happened to 3-4 cars this weekend who were pitted near the loop. One was the eventual race winner, and that team was sharp enough to notice the laps before we were able to get them removed, and came to ask about them. With GPS technology, these "fake" crossings can be automatically eliminated by requiring a system of "gates" the car must past through to score a full lap (like mario cart), or some error checking based on average speed, or a few other ways to eliminate phantom laps without manual intervention. Example 2: Paddock Loop - at some tracks, there are multiple paddock-pit entry pathways. When a team makes pass down the pit lane, they will score a pit loop crossing. If they then stop and re-enter the paddock near pit out, do some work on the car, and return to the pit near pit-in, as they pass down the pit lane again they will score another pit loop crossing. These are usually long laps - so orbits will not automatically flag them, and the timing person must notice them and manually remove them. Same as above, there are ways that GPS technology can be used to score these properly with automation. Example 3: Pit Loop - Some tracks don't have a pit loop. This means that your lap with the pit will not be scored. If everyone takes the same number of pit stops, it works out exactly the same. If teams need to stop more often for fuel or due to issues, the missed crossings can affect the outcome of the race. This is a track limitation - not something champcar can necessarily change - but switching to GPS based timing would eliminate this issue. The pit loop could be defined via software and no hardware needs to be buried in the ground. To be clear, this portion of the functionality is still in its infancy. It wasn't tested at VIR, and it still needs development, testing, reliability verification, validation etc before its ready for prime time. However, the potential is exciting, and I hope my explanation is understandable enough to convey how important it could end up being for the entire racing community. The downside is that the technology needs community acceptance and market saturation to be viable. It needs a foothold in the market to show everyone the capability. Everyone has a transponder, so its easy to score races with them. If everyone doesn't have a Flagtronics, we can't score races with them (or even test-score races to compare against the current method).
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  19. So wanted to let you all know where we are on the Title Sponsor since I have been the point person on this one and wanted the membership to know the process I've been dealt. August: Contacted a couple of national companies to come on board September/October: Had multiple phone meetings with prospects mid-November: Verbal agreement to move forward with a company December: Contract sent to them and their legal team had to review it Early Jan: Had to make changes to the contract per their legal team January 8th: Signed multi year contract by both parties January 9th: Confirmed number panel design and sent to RVA Graphics January 11th: Confirmed series logo and other graphics received at 5:15 pm We are waiting for the press release. The sponsor is handling writing the press release. We did not want to make an announcement before they did with the press release. This is a great relationship we just started so we want to be courteous of the new sponsor. I have let them know we need the press release today so we can make the announcement.
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  20. ...and aside from the Tuttle debacle; there was a great Champcar race, with great teams! Team Jacky Ickx had a very eventfull race weekend (end of week),... as usual! To be allowed to keep racing. I had to start a new business/job! So, I ended up having to work the last week before Christmas, eventhough my wife had already scheduled our vacation in Mexico for that time. We moved our vacation, but I was going to do a "Tom Cruise", fly back at the last minute before the race, and have my team bring the cars to the track without me. I left Cancun at 10:30 am on Thursday, and got to the track before the race cars. Once they were finally in tech line, we found out Mark was not coming! Mark (evilwheel), our fastest driver on the team, had been battling the flu for the last couple of days. He had not missed a race in the last 49 endurance races with the team! On race day, one of the first radio communication was: "Lots of fast cars today!"; we were in 14th & 15th. Around 9:35, a red Porsche was sideways coming out of 16, Keith thought he saved it, he didn't! He hit us hard in the left rear sending the right rear in the wall. It turned out the Porsche driver also thought he had saved the car, they talked, we are OK. Keith came in the pits with a bent race car, flat tire, and an empty tank. We changed a wheel, filled the tank, and I jumped in (litteraly because the door doesn't open). The car felt like a crab in a straight, was turning left reasonably well, didn't want to turn smoothly to the right, and wanted to throw me off track under braking! It was vibrating so bad I had a death grip on the steering wheel causing me cramps! And we never took the time to hook my cool shirt, I'll let you guess where the hoses and connectors ended up... I guess I got used to the new handling characteristics of the car, and turned decent consistent laps. After the initial shock on how bad the car felt, Clark and Brian did the same. Unfortunately Keith had to retire the GT30 after loosing power. It sounds like only 5 cylinders are doing their job. It may sound like a normal occurence for a Mitsubishi engine to expire, but it has not been our experience. We can't even remember how old the bottom end of our engine is! But the 935 kept on "crabbing away"! I went back in for my second stint, the car was still evil to drive, but somehow it didn't feel as bad, and I had so much fun behind the wheel! Thanks to the BMW #411, and a mysterious red Miata with a white stripe on the hood. At first I thought it was an orange Eclipse catching me, but when I realized it was a Miata, I thought Randy was at the wheel! I had to make sure I was a mile ahead of him going in a corner for him not to catch me! It was so much fun, and thanks to all teams for clean driving, and giving plenty room to podium cars by the end of the race! Then we put Chris in the car for the final stint, he had been wanting to finish a race! With 1 hour 40 left, he's 2 laps behind the Tuttle car who still has to make a pit stop! He's turning 38's 39's, and tells us he feels he can do 36's. Clark tells him to remain consistent, wait for the 108 to pit, and he would let him know when it's time to push. Tuttle waited in vain for a FCY, tried to open the gap, but finally pitted with less than 30 minutes to go. I was pitting next to them, so I can tell they took gas, but their pit stop looked a little short... (and we usually get corrected if we have so many people over the wall during fueling!). Anyway, they come out 15 seconds in front of us! Next lap, Chris does a 37, he's 11 seconds behind; then a 36 (as he called it), he's 4 seconds behind, then he's on his bumper, by the next lap he's in front of him, and keeps on leaving him; but then the 108 stopped on track... (the rest has been debated on past posts) We are happy to have passed them under racing conditions (kuddos to Chris's beautifull stint), and that we didn't get the win because of a DQ! I'm completely blown away my team won Sebring again. Other that being the track geographically the closed to our homes, and having done all the Chumpcar races at Sebring, I don't understand why this "home track advantage" works so well!? Thanks to my wife, my team, the Champcar staff, and (almost) all teams for an incredible way to finish 2017! A special thank you to Elon's team/family/friends for a great hospitability!
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  21. Our first Chump Car race and it was an eventful one. BUt we had a blast and are already planning the next one. We learned a lot from watching other chumps. Quick recap of the #715 B Class Prelude 3 Locos una Loca Racing Day started with the National anthem being sung and alternator being replaced First stint went great. Easy laps at 2:28, short shifting, easy on brakes and we quickly moved to third in class and 35th overall. Second stint, axle goes, in the garage 20 minutes, axle replaced, back out racing Then the motor grenades at the entry to 1. We didn't know what to do. Race was over and we were all pretty bummed. Only two drivers got to drive. My wife, not knowing anything, points to our parts car and says can't you just swap motors. Like it was the easiest thing in the world. We looked at each other and said "Gee, well why not. I guess we could swap motors. Let's swap motors" So after making sure the thing fired up, we got to work. Found someone a couple garages down running an RX-8 with a hoist and he let us borrow it. So we pulled two motors, swapped trannies (the donor car was an automatic), bled the clutch and were back on track 6 hours later. Were on track for another hour, then we blew the other axle. At this point, there was no doubt. We were going to fix it too. Into the garage we went and replaced that axle, and the intermediate shaft from the automatic which had no business being in a manual car. Got it back out with about an hour and a half to go and the car owner drove the last stint in the dark and took the checker. What an unbelievable feeling of accomplishment. GREAT TIMES. Thank you Chump and we will see you guys again soon.
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  22. I never got to get out other than for a few test laps, so I have no first hand insight into the driving at this year's race - but after reading some of the banter here I'd like to share my perspective. Chumpcar is built on the premise that any driver and any team is welcome as long as you meet the basic requirements. I built a slow but safe car, and have for each and every race had drivers that have never done any racing before - in several races even drivers who have never set foot on a racetrack even as a spectator. This has perhaps been dumb, but they have for sure got memorable experiences! A few of us have got hooked, have done more races and gradually been getting better (not good, but not quite as clueless either!) and we just decided to upgrade to a car that will keep up better with the rest of the field. Now - the as the slow teams with poor cars and poorer drivers, we do have a lot of responsibilities. I talk at length with each new driver about what I expect. I try to select drivers on personality - will not again do the mistake of bringing on "a friend of a friend" who couldn't really handle that his lap times were slower than the rest of the team. And I let the drivers know that they will sit out if they don't behave out there. Mistakes are OK, everyone will do that when you're new, but just don't behave like you are racing for the win. Leave room, give point-bys, follow other slower cars around behind them to see what you can learn. I always tell that "any contact is your fault - even if you get hit it is because you have placed yourself in a position where you could get hit." To the 'Vette team that has got your fair share of complaints here - you know, realize that this is for fun and make sure to let cars by. At the same time - over the years it has bugged me a little that there are some of the good teams and good drivers who seem to want to forget that this is a grassroots series. There are no licensing requirements. No age restrictions. No vision tests. You have a pulse and a driver's license and you are allowed to drive. There are some fast drivers who do not really leave room for mistakes by the newbies and make passes that are just stupid (two wheels off, 3 cars wide up the climbing esses rather than waiting for me to give you the inner line at the top of the hill?) The funny thing is that it is not the best teams that will scare the wits out of you. I don't know how many times I have been passed by the Simon Integra over the years, and never have I seen any lack of patience or a poorly timed manouver. They - and other great teams - accept that my position isn't the best, that my speed is slow, and that I'm not 100% predictable. Unfortunately there are several other teams who seem to think that this is the Chase in Nascar, and that the poorer driver should either just drive off to leave them room or perhaps just that they should get scared enough to never bother to show up again for any future races. As team captains for these fast but intimidating teams - perhaps you should think about reminding your drivers about the old saying "with great speed comes greater responsibilities"? Knock on wood - we've done races since 2011 and have had only one tire scuff on the driver's door. No dents, no offs. So it is possible to do, regardless whether you are fast or slow. Now, let's all sit together, holding hands and sing Kumbaya!
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  23. Bavarian Mustache Werks had an excellent weekend as well. The racing has always been great here and the competition sure has stepped over the years! No longer is the Coookie Cutter Classic the 'easy points' race with a light field that it used to be. AWESOME to see that so many others have discovered how good this race is! I give it 5 of 5 stars, would recommend! I made a number of improvements and other changes (maybe improvements?) over the looooong off season; some aero work (not planned, test-day a few weeks prior at Gingerman sort of, uh, forced me to make a new FR splitter...), finally got a decent 3.9 diff out of an auto car in there and freshened up an engine with new rings, bearings, seals, valve guides/seals - basically brought it back up to factory fresh and got rid of the flatness we had with the ol' tired motor. After a few teething issues at Nelsons (fuel pump pickup sock fell off and we could only get about 14 gal fuel out of the car and apparently I forgot how to torque things) I was really looking forward to getting the car all fixed up and back to the track where we tend to do well - could we continue the streak of podium finishes? Only time would tell.... It was also awesome to get majority of the original team back together - one of the drivers even got a few improvements himself since last time he raced with a new hip! Saturday run-down. The plan was for me to drive first, and with the fuel pick-up issue fixed, go run and see how close to 2 hours we could go now that I expected to be able to get 17+ gal out of the tank. For once, we got lucky with the number draw and started up in the top 10. Field spread out quick, I had pretty much completely clear track for a few laps early on and snagged fastest lap for the team on lap 4; unexpected for sure. Moving through traffic and snagging a few spots before the really fast guys caught us, we ran as high as 3rd before losing a few spots to the speedsters prior to the first fuel stop. Which happened way early. Granted I did pretty much zero fuel savings as I wanted to keep pace with the leaders to keep us in contention and was predicting 2 hours was achievable. But I got a hesitation, next lap a big stumble. First pit at about 1:45. The guys put a bit over 17 gallons in, so we confirmed that the fuel pick-up issues were resolved! Unfortunately all of the extra RPMs from diff swap and extra full throttle from the extra aero grip and the pushing hard for majority of the stint meant that fuel use was rather high (some checks to be done to see if there is anything else creating extra fuel usage). I figured we were done at that point since we had to make that extra fuel stop. Switched gears a bit and we did what we could to take advantage of as many FCY as possible with the hope that we could possibly make the top 5. The other guys ran great with consistent laps and mostly trouble free running. We snagged 2 FCY, so was able to limit the extra stop deficit by a few laps - just not enough to make a difference. Attrition/issues from others is the only reason why we made it up as far as we did. Still incredibly happy to make it to impound and salvage an amazing 3rd place with that extra stop. Brake change, nut/bolt check and swapping tires around to even out the wear was all we had to do over night. That was a welcomed blessing! Sunday, with the 3hr/4hr format, I figured even with the reduced stint length that we had a chance to compete for a podium again. We reversed the driver order and set out from the back of the pack. Once again pitting around the 1:45 mark for fuel due to running out on track. 17+ gallons back in and sent the bionic man out for the short 2nd stint. The red flag for the mini doing its dukes of hazard impression gave us some extra fuel to play with for afternoon, and we were able to use that to a bit of an advantage. Looking at the tires before the restart, I was concerned that the right side wouldn't make the finish (left side on Saturday). With ability to stop under caution, we opted to swap out all 4 Direzza Z3s for a set of fresh RE71Rs (these tires are awesome, while they wear way faster than I want to deal with the extra ~2 sec per lap was spectacular!). Pitting from 4th, the extra 1.5 min or so to change the tires put us back on track in 9th. Pretty much a full lap down from 8th-->4th. A bit of attrition and a whole lot of Evan Horner driving really fast (lots of 47s in the mix, also ran our teams fastest lap of weekend with a 1:46.0 something right before pitting) meant that we got to see him pass a LOT of cars. and a few key cars a couple of times. We were on a different pit strategy/timing as everyone else, and plan was to keep him out until he ran low or we got another FCY. Out of fuel it was, right at about the 1:45 mark... Evan made it all the way up to 3rd right before the pit. We knew that was short lived as we were off-cycle for pit stops. I jumped in knowing there was a chance. Especially with the super fast and much fresher rubber on the car. Headed back on track in 7th, with TR motorsports and Dirte-30 about a minute up on us, and 9-4 motorsports another 30 seconds up from them. Pretty early in my stint, I saw 2-brothers Merc moving slow, was hoping it was just fuel and they would be back out, but it also gave us a legit shot at the podium. It was an epic push to work to get the positions back that we dropped in the pits. I continued what Evan was doing and threw down a nice consistent fast stint. average lap time was 1:48.5, with me running low 47s when not battling with traffic and just sneaking into the 46s. There was a convergence of teams with ~30 minutes to go. I had visibility of TR, dirte-30, 9-4 and (a lap up) Shut up all within proximity from a few spots on the track. I knew the race was on and the opportunity to make the podium was there. Gyuvelys was in the mix with that crowd as well, which definitely made things much more interesting - Video of the action below! Speed and power vs. handling and RE71R grip all while trying to catch that podium spot!! That convergence made for some exciting racing. Catching the Champers and the EC car while EC was catching 3rd-6th as well. My focus was on getting 6th-3rd and seeing if I could un-lap myself and close the gap to 2nd as well. The excellent grip absolutely helped with swinging past TR, Dirte-30 and 9-4. And I was taking chunks of time out of Shut up, but we just didn't have the time. As a way to close the weekend, I am incredibly pleased that the team performed as they had. Incredibly happy with the double 3rd weekend. Thank you to the ChampCar staff for putting on another great event. And thanks to the safety crew and corner workers for keeping us all as safe as we could be, and making sure we all stayed safe when teams found ways to escape the safe zones. As a full disclosure for those teams/members that seem to really want to know (why some 'must' know who protested in beyond me....), yes that was me that protested Gyuvelys on Saturday. Video below highlights WHY I protested. Knowing that I have a stock engine that is near max power within how I interpret the rules (likely I can get a few more hp and improved economy with going from a turner chip to a stand-alone, and a bit more if I bored the engine and/or shaved the head), seeing a car that has the same claimed engine pull that many car lengths after being sideways through a corner raises some eyebrows. We discussed within the team (yes, 2 TAC members on my team this weekend), discussed with a few other teams, and concluded the most likely way to be making that much more power was a stroked engine (possibly and/or cams). I discussed ahead of time with ChampCar staff. Considering the pull out of corners (once they got car straight), it seemed torque increase was were most of the speed came from. Hence stroke. 2.8 bottom end is a common swap. as is putting S50/M54 rotating assembly into a M50 block. Both of these increase stroke. We did our research to confirm what the stroke numbers should be for M50B25 and what they could be for B28 or the S50/M54 crank. This was provided to tech along with an official protest form. I want to thank Tech for conducting the check. I think it is important that the action was done, hopefully it helps all teams to realize that the best thing for this series is to know your car ("I bought it this way" is not a valid argument), bring legal cars to race and the protest process works. This is OUR series, and as members we ALL have the right, ability and responsibility to keep ourselves and our fellow competitors in check. Whether it is talking to them to get the story and helping them get the right parts on the car, or in cases like this filing a protest. Have some questions about another team? Do your research, talk to them, talk to tech, email TAC, petition if you have reasonable suspicion that a team has an illegal part or not accounting for points correctly. While I do not enjoy 'winning' on a technicality with a protest, I really dislike losing to a team that is gaining an advantage by operating outside of the rule set and do not think it is fair to all my fellow competitors to allow a team to run with expected infractions. I filed this protest for ChampCar membership.
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  24. OK, guys, I'm not going to make any more posts on this for a while, but this is an update from Mike C. We are going to to split the scoring at NCM. I'm not exactly sure what that means, but I do know that EC cars will still be timed, but will not show up in one version of the standings. Since we are not sure how this will work, We can't promise anything additional at this point. That is only a few weeks away so let's see how it goes. EC cars not on the VPI list will not be allowed to run with us starting in 2020. I'd forgotten the Board already decided this previously. So that problem will take care of itself soon.
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  25. One of our drivers, @Choray911 is a Nissan guy. He walked by their car on Thursday and was like "Nice. A VQ35." They were like, "No. It's a VQ30. See the valve cover." He was like, "Nope, it's definitely a VQ35. See the variable valve timing? That's a later model Altima intake. *other random Nissan stuff*". They were like, "Nope. Definitely a VQ30." We had a pretty crappy day with the Mustang. We were praying they would make it to impound so that we could protest them. We notified Chumpcar officials that it was coming. Showed them how a VQ35 is obviously not a VQ30. I guess they talked to the team and the team decided to take the DQ for the wrong VQ.
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  26. If it's heat cycling and shaving that you're interested in, I can beat Phil's prices! You see, we use a proprietary heat cycling and shaving technique where (without giving away too much info about how it's done), the tires are run on a track for 1.5-2 hour periods of time, separated by brief 5 minute cooldown periods. During each cooldown period the tire tread is checked, and if appropriate thickness has been removed, the tire is pulled from the car and replaced. The shaved and heat cycled tire is then dismounted and is ready to ship. What does this premium service cost you? Nothing! We will service the tire free of charge and sell to you for the original list price. Let me know what tires you want, and I will make sure they are serviced during our June 2-4 tire servicing weekend at the Autobahn facility outside Chicago.
    22 points
  27. Before your time Newbie..... there once was a giant onslaught of E36s that came thundering out of the lakes of Minnetonka. ... the villagers feared for there lives and took up sickles and hoes to fend off the marauding horde.... Just in time The White Knight of Wine Country arrived with his (some acronym ) to slay the evil E36s. ... Many an E36 died on the sword that season but the remaining survivors agreed to give up their quest for domination and became sod farmers. Planting seed in hopes of one day being treated as fairly as the rice and corn farmers were treated. But alas it was not meant to be as the distant cousins of the E36s , those known as the E30s, seeing the opportunity to wage war all the while being lumped together under their Bavarian moniker with less points assessed began to intermingle and breed with the E36s creating offspring with the heart of the E36s and the soul of the E30. (Some say the E30 has been touched by the hand of God) These lion hearted offspring went forth and prospered..... and the villagers again cried out for help.... but The White Knight wasn't listening anymore.... he was distracted with giant fire breathing diesel dragons and shiny waxer hot rods..... so the lion hearted ran amok through the countryside all the while knowing that the E36s would be blamed......
    22 points
  28. Just to be clear. Nobody is upset with GBU for building the car or how the team is or drives. We are upset with how the series handled teching and point association with this car, both pre and post race. The team is truly a great group of guys. We just need to fix the broken stuff.
    21 points
  29. 1-Line summary for petitions, grouped by similarity. Could be affected by my personal opinion so you should read them yourself to confirm accuracy. Petition 10 and 89 are identical except for the words "non-OE". The current 2x rule technically doesnt state "non-OE", but the intent is generally accepted based on context. I noticed during this event that 5 of my petitions were not included. I contacted Bill and let him know. If you submitted petitions, you should confirm all of yours are present. My 5 were submitted on 28 and 29 January and would have fallen between #63 and #68 of the published list. Petitions of Similar Subject: 2x Rule: 9 – Remove 2x rule for wheels, zero-points if cost is <250 per wheel and width <9”, else 10 points 10 – Replace 2x with Maximum Price, Caliper 150, Rotor 150, Shock 200, Wheel 250 See Petition 89 44 – Request to continue to allow dealership/OEM prices for figuring 2x costs 46 – Remove 2x rule for brakes, allow zero-point caliper and rotor replacement 47 – Remove 2x rule for shocks, allow zero-point non-adjustable shock replacement 49 – Remove wheels from 2x rule, no restrictions on wheel costs 50 – Remove wheels from 2x rule, maximum price $500 51 – Remove allowance for wildwood calipers specifically at 5 points per corner 53 – Do not allow dealership costs for 2x 54 – Remove rule 4.8.3 (receipts for 2x costs) 55 – Revise rule 4.8.3 to require documentation of parts retail costs instead of receipts 60 – 2x costs for individual components (Clarification of existing rule) 69 – Remove 2x rule for shocks, Maximum price $1000/car 70 – Remove 2x rule for brakes, Maximum price $800/car 71 – 2x price limit – 2x applies but prices capped at Caliper 250, Rotor 150, Shock 300 89 – Replace 2x with Maximum Price for Non-OE parts only, Caliper 150, Rotor 150, Shock 200, Wheel 250 Aero Devices 8 – Raise point value for wings to 25 points 12 – Raise point value for wings to 35 points, Splitters to 20 points. Reduce side-skirts to 5 points. 13 – All aerodynamic devices must fit within the body outline when looking down from above 16 – Rear diffusers must not extend beyond the rear bumper 20 – Penalty (10 laps) for losing aerodynamic device on track 21 – Establish point value for active aerodynamic devices at 100 points per device 90 – Forbid electronic control of active aero device, but permit mechanical only active aero 91 – Update BCCR to reflect tech desk ruling – Aero Limited to stock unmodified bodywork dimensions Fuel 23 – Allow 2 Gallon Surge Tanks for cars with stock fuel tanks 28 – Restrict fueling to 15 Gallons per Stop 37 – Allow cars with small OE fuel tanks to upgrade to 15 gallon cells. 38 – Points for Fuel – 20 points for +2 gallons, only 2 gallons allowed 41 – Surge Tank Rule – Clarify 2 liters is > 0.5 gallons 48 – Allow adding of fuel capacity based on stock tank sizing. 63 – Fuel Filler necks – Limit length based on diameter, ~1 gal total 106 – Allow Dry-Break Fueling Systems Tech Desk Ruling Update 43 – Article 10 does not match 3.2.10 – roll cage penetrations to firewall 75 – Update section 4 to contact tech desk instead of email 91 – Aero Limited to stock unmodified bodywork dimensions 93 – Fixed point values for flywheels 99 – None OEM ABS/TC Value 100 – Generic BCCR update from Tech Desk request 107 – Tech desk is creating point values and overriding BCCR rules. Brakes 61 – ABS must remain stock 62 – ABS upgrade 50 points 68 – Brake Lines – zero points 83 – Brake Caliper Adapters – zero points 84 – Brake Caliper Adapters – 5 points 99 – ABS/TC upgrade 10 points Swaps 2 – Allow JDM engines into the swap calculator 4 – Intake and Exhaust manifolds must match swap engine or be assessed points 17 – Revise swap formula reduce swap target PWR to 17 18 – Revise swap weight table (VPI Weights) to use lowest curb weight minus 10% 19 – Remove ECU and Wiring from swap cost calculations as they are zero point items 30 – Request to enforce 4.5.3 as written – Intakes, Manifolds, etc. must match swap engines or pay points Headlights 77 – Define Light Source 78 – Remove Bulbs must match Housings rule 79 – Number of permitted light sources 80 – Revise H3 and H4 bulb wording to conventional bulbs 81 – Headlight aiming Roll Cages 14 – Clarify roll cage rule - tabs welded to any tube (not just hoops) are points 42 – Allow footwell/pedal box protection for zero points 43 – Roll Cage Penetrations to firewall – 2 or 4 or 6? 45 – Allow gussets between cage and windshield frame for zero points 67 – Clarify that any roll cage bar between the strut towers is additional points Classing 26 – Allow F/I without bumping up in class 31 – Classing based on points instead of displacement 35 – EC cars start 1000 laps down 65 – Class designation on windshield banner VPI 24 – Audi TT, All Years (1998-2006) current 475 (98-02), 520 (03-06), requested decrease (no value) 25 – Pontiac Firebird (1998-2002) current 350, ask for decrease to 250 96 – Acura TL (2004-2008) current 500, ask for increase to 510 97 – Honda S2000 AP1 (2000-2003) current 500, ask for increase to 510 Tires 22 – Revise rules on changing tires – only battery tools, only one tire off at a time 32 – 1 lap penalty for RE71R, R1R, AD08R, A052, and RT660 94 – Teams only allowed to change one tire per stop. Rain Lights 86 – Require rain lights to be switched off at night 87 – Mandate rain light configuration – flashing only under braking. 98 – Rain lights shall be solid at all times and only blink under braking Auto Trans 56 – Include auto trans point reduction rule in BCCR (currently only on VPI tables) 58 – Include auto trans point reduction on tech sheet (currently only on VPI tables) 49 – Define automatic transmission Factory Supercharged/Turbocharged Vehicles 72 – Include Note 2 from VPI list in BCCR as a rule 73 – Remove Note 2 from VPI list and include line item for each version of vehicle with appropriate points Kill Switch 1 – Relocate Kill Switch from center console if switches are located symmetrically 95 – Reword existing rule, Highlight Battery must be separated when switch is off. Radiators 34 – Allow aluminum radiators for 0 points if same size and capacity as stock (no cost restriction) 52 – Radiators 1x for zero-points Differential 82 – Remove 4.5.8 this has already been done 05Mar2020 - (BCCR 2020v3.0.0) 85 – Revise 4.7.8 to say “final drive ratio” instead of “rear end ratio” Glass 15 – Clarify glass rules – Film is not a 1 race waiver 92 – Glass must remain in the OE location (to match rule for lexan) Springs 39 – All Aftermarket Springs – 10 points regardless of size/shape/diameter 40 – All aftermarket springs – zero points regardless of size/shape/diameter Flywheels 66 – Fixed point value for flywheels/clutches at zero points 93 – Fixed point values for flywheels 10 points Exhaust Header / Manifold 76 – Revise Points for Manifold/Header – Manifold from VPI list = 10, Header = 25 per engine 101 – Revise Points for Manifold/Header – Any non-oe exhaust manifold or header = 25 per engine Carbon Fiber 104 – Allow carbon fiber as material cost and for Aer – 4pts/sqft. Aero <$500 15pts, >500 45pts 105 – Allow carbon fiber appearance or convenience items at zero points Petitions Unrelated to others 3 – Allow Spring Rubbers at zero points 5 – Correct typo in rule 9.10.4.3 6 – Add TCU programming to FPV list at zero points 7 – Revise points for hubs from 2.5 per to 10 per 11 – Establish claimer rule for vehicles at $12,000 27 – Allow aftermarket sway bar end links at zero points 29 – Request to change from “may” to “WILL” disqualify teams for unclaimed parts 33 – Assign any cooler (stock or aftermarket) a 20 point value 36 – Assign laps for black flag infractions instead of holding cars at pit-in 57 – Request to keep rule for holding cool-suit containers as a single-strap requirement 64 – Request to use double-file start procedure 74 – Remove note#3 from VPI table (all models must be standard factory offerings) 88 – Request to move to rolling annual tech to reduce tech line at early races 102 – Request to allow offset suspension bushings within OE housings at zero points 103 – Request to allow skid plates at zero points Here is what it looks like, grouped by color, with the titles assigned by champcar. Bold text = Tech Desk related All mixed together
    21 points
  30. I agree, just saying, "those" teams come and go like the wind, don't lose sight of the little guys. I'm more worried about the last 3 cars that we lost because they couldn't afford it any more, and no one even knows their names.
    21 points
  31. I support Rich in this. I won't be voting to terminate anyone's membership because they have a bad word to say about the series. Please keep libelous statements off the interwebz, but criticize away. That's how we get better. And there's a lot more to the Saturday night stuff.
    21 points
  32. Why do EC cars want to beat up on cars following the rules? Simply go to the Sahlens Racing Facebook page where they mention "winning" the Watkins Glen race with their Salt car. Ain't they something, they WON!!!! I've had it and I won't let this die. Mike S, how about starting 10 laps down? Can you easily add ten? Because that would do it almost anywhere. These "winners" are a sham and it hurts our actual winners.
    21 points
  33. After talking with Mike this past weekend we are going to be bringing back both Race Monitor and Race Hero. Stay tuned.
    21 points
  34. Racebar here with one of the last trip reports (as expected): This was our first race with our newly rebuilt motor, named "Rainbow number 5" as it was our fifth motor and was painted like a rainbow by a drunk Patrick "Dick Freelane" Mchugh during a late night party rock session after the kids had gone to bed. On Friday, during the track day, we blew a head gasket for obvious reasons. Quantum speed works hosted us throughout the day as we pondered why our brand new motor blew a gasket and we waited on the new gasket to arrive. By 5 pm, it was clear that the car wouldn't make it to the paddock for the BBQ party, and with the continuous deluge of wet stuff (Ben Dawson's race driver equalizer), we decided to move the dance party slash BBQ prerace get-everyone-drunk-so-they-drive-like-poop-the-next-day-party up to the super amazing facility at Quantum. So that night, we ate, we talked, we drank, we danced, we rebuilt Racebar, and we misdiagnosed her problems. Around midnight we introduced our new pledges to Racebar with a lap around the paddock by foot, and a little team bonding with the Champcar trophies. (Its ok we blamed our transgressions on Winsome Racing. The staff never knew it was us) We made it to tech in the morning where we discovered that people have complained about Racebar from previous races. Ray, sadly, was forced to add a 25 pt penalty to our amplifier, speakers, and bar claiming it adds speed. He said this would calm the complaints. I dont think we are winning any races Ray. By noon, after blowing yet another head gasket, we discovered the actual problem with the Racebar motor was not under torquing of the head bolts, but rather detonation. WIth some quick thinking by Jeff "Ron Mexico" Caplan, we had a head gasket on the way being delivered by Al "The reverend" Taylor. After having "practiced" a head removal so many times in the past, we pulled together as a team, and had the head off in 20 minutes. However, with the head off, we realized yet a new major problem. Our block was majorly cracked. So after another hour of pondering, we decided to run her for as long as she would go. 30 minutes later, we were on the track and racing again. We changed the coolant multiple times throughout the next 6 hours and added countless qts of oil. Eventually by about 7 pm, it was oil starvation that ultimately got us as I, threw yet another racebar rod. (This would be the third rod our team has thrown all with me at the wheel) Despite our lack of success on the track, this was our most successful race yet. Our team has grown every race. We have built a culture, values, and a team which people willingly invest time and money to further the cause. We had the opportunity to help numerous teams at this race which was rewarding for all of us. We have built friendships with other teams that extend beyond the track. Moving forward, we have new motors going in both Racebar and Lasershark, a newly aquired e30 to add to the team, an e36 being built now, and a new acquisition of Winsome Racing (they havent exactly agreed.) We are doing an endurance running relay with Racebar in April, competition bbq this summer, pub crawls, brewery parties, HPDE events, and Indy in July. We were verbally reminded of how much we suck during this race by the e46 EC team. Its ok, no judgement passed here. There are those who understand Racebar, and those who have yet to learn. At this race, we met a young boy named Jack. Jack wrote us a handwritten note, which I think sums up how we feel about our team. This is his note: Dear Racers in Racebar champcar series, Your car was the best and creative but you didnt win. But who cares if you win or lose. It matters if you have fun or not and I hope you have fun. You have speakers on your car. You went in the pit stop a lot of times but thats ok. I hope you are proud and do you think you could write me back. Sorry and I might write you more letters. Bye, your friend. Jack The e46 team, should probably talk to Jack so they can learn a few things about life. It truly is an honor to race with all of you. Most of you are better drivers than we are, so thank you for sharing the track with us. Free beer and bbq is always on us. -Raaaaaacceeebaaaaaaar!
    21 points
  35. It has nothing to do with the upper class. and I understand your sarcasm. It has everything to do with us racing at Indy, and teams with the means to toss together a car, or teams that wanted nothing to do with us before the announcement, suddenly wanting to take the spots that our membership would normally take. I watch social media. Before the announcement... ChampCar sucks. After the announcement... We are going to Indy!
    21 points
  36. About the Cobalt... I have no idea about how they drove out on the track other than that they were slow. They seemed to have stock suspension, and ran at night with nothing but the dim stock headlights. But I talked to them quite a bit in the pits. They were absolute beginners - the first pit stop was the first one they had ever done. They struggled with some horrible fuel jugs, and with learning how to belt someone in the car. Is VIR 24 the place to start learning those things? No, that's madness. But, they were also the nicest, happiest and friendliest team you can find. They loved being there, even when being scared. And perhaps I had a particular fondness for them because I did just what they did back in 2011, putting a team together and not knowing at all what we didn't know. It was scary as hell, and incredibly fun. And all these years later and we have still never caused an accident - knock on wood! - perhaps by both being well aware of our limitations in the driver talent department and by other teams with more talent being good at avoiding us (especially the first couple of years!) But based on my experiences, I'd say that actual incidents are much more commonly caused by bad drivers that go too fast than by rookies going far too slow. I think most of us have been slow beginners at some point, so hopefully we still have the ability within the ChampCar "family" to accept new teams and help them along rather than ask for them to be banned. Just my two cents.
    21 points
  37. I would say that the plan would be quite simple: a trip to the local Pick 'n Pull. To elaborate: there is no need to grandfather something as cheap and easy as putting an unmodified stock tank back in the stock location. Far more extensive and expensive work has been mandated with other rulings with no plan to help the affected teams "be legal". Engines have been unswapped, turbos removed, etc, with no consideration or compensation so I see no need for a plan for something that takes an afternoon and $50 to rectify.
    21 points
  38. The Bill of Rights, Amendment II: A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. Seems pretty clear to me. And I bet it seems pretty clear to you as well. Do we agree it says the same thing? Chances are no. People have argued this all the way up to the US Supreme Court. Even after a ruling they are still arguing it! Why do I mention the 2nd amendment in a race car forum? The reason is that both the 2nd amendment and ChumpCar rule 3.2.3. both suffer from a difference in interpretation. I would argue that our founding fathers put a great deal of effort into clearly spelling out their thoughts on gun rights in 1791. Over the past 250 years though, the English language has changed somewhat and we now argue their intent. It's a pity we can't ask them directly. On the other hand, in the case of our doorbar rule, the authors are still here and we can ask for clarification. By the number of responses on here and the few emails I received about this, the wording is not clear. I opened up the rulebook and read the section on cages all the way through. I read it like I always have, like someone who was part of it's thought process and enforcement. Made sense to me. Then I slowed down and read it again and again. This time pretending I knew nothing of our rules. Like I was a new car builder. This time I saw what some of you have seen. It was at this point that I clearly understood the glaring omission of a single important word that changes the meaning of the sentence entirely. Unbroken. It is important to note that there are two issues in discussion here. 1) Phil/ChumpCar is not following their own rulebook and they are making up arbitrary decisions at the track, and 2) What does the ChumpCar rule on X-bars say? To the first point, Phil and the techs that work under him for ChumpCar do not arbitrarily make up rulings as they go. The rulings they will issue at Daytona in two weeks will be the same rulings they gave out at VIR last year and Pittsburgh the year before. I have spoken with all our techs and impressed upon them the importance of not only applying our rules as they are written, but applying them as they are written all the time. We had large problems with consistency at tech in years past, but Phil as Chief of tech has worked to train all our techs in what our rulebook says and to apply it all the time. This is not to say they can't miss things, because they do sometimes, but I find they catch more than they miss. To that end, Phil and Dan have been failing broken X-bar designs for years. I know because I have had numerous people come to me and ask me to overrule them (I won't). Their interpretation of our X-bar rule has been consistent. As for point 2, what does our doorbar rule say? ChumpCar rule 3.2.3. reads: Two driver-side door bars (labeled “7”) that will prevent cockpit intrusion. NASCAR-style or Xdesign is acceptable. At issue here is what constitutes a doorbar? If you can clearly define a doorbar then we all can count how many we have. Many here, and yes that includes other sanctioning bodies, view the X-design as 2 bars. After all, if you were to write an "X" on a sheet of paper, your pencil makes 2 lines. ChumpCar's interpretation of the "X" design however has always been that it is comprised of a single, unbroken door bar that is braced by two other short bars. This leaves the car 1 bar short of meeting rule 3.2.3. Our at the track solution was to have teams weld in gussets, tacos or a steel plate to their "X" and allow them to race. Other acceptable solutions that retain the "X" shape are to bend 2 bars to meet in the middle (as was shown earlier) or to add a sill bar at the base of the cage. So after five pages of discussion, where are we? ChumpCar's position has not changed. Door bars must be continuous, unbroken bars. What has changed is that you have shown us that something in our rules was not clear. I am currently amending rule 3.2.3. to reflect more clearly how we expect an X-design door bar to be constructed. I'm sure there are other items in the rulebook that may not come across as clear as we intended them to be. When you find those items, bring them to our attention and we can clarify our wording so everyone understands. It is counterproductive to immediately assume that ChumpCar is out to screw people over and start a long argument on the forum. I am rarely on here so you'll get quicker results by emailing me your concerns directly. Should you already have some blurry rules in mind, email me now or bring them up at the board meeting next week. Hopefully we can get everyone to the point where they trust that the ChumpCar Board and staff are here trying to make your experience a pleasant one and not one of grief.
    21 points
  39. I'm happy to hear that most of you enjoyed the race at NCM. We will be back next year. On the subject of sharing venues with other orgs, it was believed by John two years ago that this sharing concept would save us money that we could pass on to the teams. It has been anything but. Financially speaking, the tracks end up increasing our track rental cost due to the additional space that we use (East, West and skid pad at NCM). Insurance costs go up and I have to bring a larger staff in to handle the load. After all is said and done, our net is the same as if ChumpCar was there by ourselves. Logistically speaking, more cars and people mean a tighter paddock and more compromises. Some of these are built in by us, and others are imposed last minute by a track. Either way, it can be uncomfortable. For the rest of this year, the East region has sharing events at CMS and VIR with ChampTruck. We have no more co-events with the USCA. For 2016 John and I have already discussed an end to co-events with any other group. USCA and ChampTruck will move to hold their own events and ChumpCar will go back to taking care of ourselves.
    21 points
  40. MCM will not be at WGI. The Board will entertain a path back for any team including MCM, but he will need to sell the Board on real change. My personal stance is forget it, don't care if they ever come back and I made that clear. But maybe he can sway enough of the Board to get another chance later on. It would involve a probationary period, be at a track that is NOT Daytona, WGI, Indy, etc. It might involve a bond. But the short answer he won't be at WGI, nor will his cars. Two on the waitlist will get those spots.
    20 points
  41. That guy was a total jerk, he was also saying, "that's how y'all win races", and "stop looking over the fence". I heard him say both at least twice, if not 3 times and some other distasteful tidbits.This type of behavior is unnecessary, and inappropriate.
    20 points
  42. Or wreck you trying... The 300 car did this and was still totaled- I have to agree that teams that are consistently taking out competitors at every race should be dealt with by management.
    20 points
  43. Mr. Media: 1) You could have added the cooler if you needed it. Nobody stopped you, you chose not to run it. You decided to swap in an ungodly amount of power into your car and then complain after the fact that you did not "have enough points for a cooler". 2) Why not run the stock engine and run as many coolers as you want? Oh yea, you wanted to swap in an ungodly powerful engine and then complain after the fact that you don't have free coolers. 3) Teams that run 5+ races a year don't all bitch about not having enough free stuff. It's normally teams that squeak in with deflated values that were lobbied down, or teams that are running a 500 point car. If a car is valued at 500 points, its valued that high because it is a REALLY good car. It might have a few weaknesses, and if those are addressed it would then be better than a 500 point car. According to your logic, I should buy a Honda S2000. Run a 1 hour stint before running out of gas (13 gallons) and then petition that the car should get a 20 gallon tank. The reason the car is 500 points is because of that weakness. If it has a 20 gallon tank, it would be a 550 point car. So then I should level the field by giving all cars 20 gallons right? Then an E30 and an S2000 equal then, right? Wrong....... There are other series that allow free everything, and they are an arms race. The things that differentiate this series and make it better are/were an attempt to keep it budget friendly, and single class racing. Just my $.02........rant over.
    20 points
  44. If the procedure was "just add in points as they are found in impound", then there would be an incentive to claim nothing. If your VPI is 400, and you have 6 items added which add 25 points each. Then you claim none, and hope that at most 4 of them are found. There needs to be (and there is) a heavy penalty for having unclaimed items on your car.
    20 points
  45. Well. Some of the kids started kicking sand at recess, then they tried to blame the other kids, Then someone tried to get little Tommy to eat a cat turd by telling him it was a tootsie rolll. Then we all had to go sit by the building until the bell rang. Now we're just saving energy for the post Daytona show.......
    20 points
  46. For anyone just joining this thread, here are the Cliff notes. Champcar is looking into getting equipment to measure displacement Your engine probably won't be torn down at impound, even if you paid someone to protest your car for you to make a point Huggy cheats and Champcar is complicit! Or maybe not. Tuttle is a bunch of cheating bastiges and cannot be trusted If the make/model you are racing had an option for a thing, you can run it for free No you can't Well, maybe you can, if you can get it through tech Champcar allegedly decides on a new interpretation of a make/model's highest listed value requiring the turbo points to be added to the starting value if that make/model was made with a turbo option. Tuttle openly lists their claimed parts, but they're still screwed because of the bullet point just above this one Tuttle will be protested while they are going through tech even though you can only protest cars after the start of the race per the rules Someone needs to protest Tyler's cheaty LSD In unrelated news, the K-Mart across from the track is sold out of posterboard, sharpies, and pitchforks
    20 points
  47. "The views, opinions, and drunken rants expressed by @Choray911 are theirs alone, and do not necessarily reflect the views, opinions or positions of Chattanooga Tourenwagen Meisterschaft or any member thereof. We make no representations as to accuracy, suitability, coherence, or grammar of any information presented by @Choray911 and will not be liable for any errors in this information or any losses, injuries or damages arising from its display or use."
    20 points
  48. Good conversation here and I enjoy hearing the feedback. I have stewarded over 75 ChumpCar events in the past seven years so I have a little bit of data to pull from. I remember the random green on track. I hated it. It was the opposite of racing, and it didn't take long for people to start bunching the fields to try to pick up the green. Dangerous and awkward. There was also the issue with people running at 100% on the pre race caution laps. This brought about the first use of the pace car. But there was an unmentioned issue that perhaps only I saw as the steward - people were not ready to go at the scheduled start time. I hate being late, ask my wife. So I had the idea that we would offer an incentive to be on time. If you would have your driver belted in and your engine running ready to hit the track on time, you could start on the pole behind the pace car. In the beginning, only a few were ready. These were the teams, and still are, who finish at the front. They prepare for the race and take it seriously. As the years went by and we grew, the number of cars in a race went from 30 to 100. More prepared teams were looking for that slight advantage of starting out front. Then, as usual this happens: To those who run perhaps one or two races per year, you may not have seen this. I did. A lot. And it was getting worse. Guys were skipping the drivers meeting to grid their car. Fights were breaking out out on pit road over position. WGI 17 was a highly publicized moment, but was not the first incident and it wouldn't be the last. That Sebring incident with Jimmie? It made it back to me and they were held back. There were words exchanged over that. I don't like to start my day that way. So the random advantage the top teams had by gridding early did exist, but it was becoming dangerous and unmanageable. Many of you came to me asking for something safer. In the end, what we tried at Gingerman, Buttonwillow and Sebring was not my idea, but one of yours. I said I would give it a shot and decide how it worked. In all three instances, it was easy, smooth and orderly. People were not rushing out of the drivers meeting. There were no tools carried up and down pit road, and cars were still ready to go when the pace car left. I like what I see and many of you have told me the same thing. As we have been working hard to standardize the ChumpCar experience from coast to coast, things like this are being written into our new operations manual. Going forward, all staff at all events will be able to reference procedures like this to manage the start of an event. It's not written into our BCCR because there are times we may want to try something fun like qualifying at the National Championship (not saying this is a thing, just using it as an example) and we need to have the flexibility. If we do plan on trying something different at a race, the event director will announce it ahead of time. Some of you have expressed concerns about accidents happening with fast cars at the back. Understand that the fast cars will always be moving through traffic. Whether they have to do it on lap one or lap four doesn't really matter. They still have to plan and execute clean passes all the time as they race for the lead. And for the new driver who is terrified about being in the middle of all the racing on their first lap, they are still welcome to waive off their grid spot and start at the back of the field. We had a large number of cars do this at Sebring last weekend. Don't get me wrong, with the incredibly close finishes we have in ChumpCar I know that where you start can have an impact on the finish. The problem is that qualifying is the only way to address that issue and it is not within our reach. An extra day of racing would not only cost you an extra $500+ in entry fees, but impact your travel dates and costs as well. My staff would run out of vacation days from their real jobs and we still haven't even addressed how we would grid 120 cars on Saturday morning at Daytona. There are limits to what can be done with the time and money we have to work with, so there are times that random will have an impact on the outcome of the race. But I can remember only one race where the 1st and 2nd place car were gridded in 1-2 as well. Had their grid positions been swapped, would they have finished differently? We'll never know. Keep feeding me your ideas and thoughts. My goal is to make this sport as enjoyable and safe for you as possible. We may all be amateurs, but we can make this as professional of an experience that you will find anywhere.
    20 points
  49. Not to beat a dead horse here, but this is Chump car racing. It is designed to be cheap and accessible. You may be out on the track with someone with 50 races under there belt, and another who is in there first stint with wheel to wheel. You really need to think about that with every pass, car approaching ext. If you get upset when someone does something that is not within the bounds of race craft etiquette your blood pressure will be through the roof midway into a stint. If your more accepting that this is what it is you will be more relaxed and probably be faster and safer. Every racing organization (chump, lemons, wrc, scca, nasa) has different styles of driving and experience levels, to me I akin it to driving in different country, once you learn there rules of the road, it makes sense. I assume, most people are here for fun. Since you should be doing this for fun, and want more people to join, you also need to be tolerant of beginners and mistakes made by others. That means, yes you may have been cut off ext, and/or loose your position, that is just the good with the bad. If your here for ego reasons, or a rotor trophy with a warlock on it, your entry fee is probably better spent on a psychologist.
    20 points
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