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  1. 39 points
    I think your question is legitimate. ChumpCar has existed for quite a while and has changed much since it's inception. While some of that change can be directly traced to me since I have taken over, I have been around since the beginning and have seen it all. Let's be honest - ChumpCar was founded by a guy who was liking what he saw in the 24 Hours of Lemons and started his own version of it. $500 junkers and track time were the core of the endurance world back then. The problem was that the world had a "Lemons" experience already and they didn't need or want another one. Lemons does what they do well. People who didn't fit it with the Lemons business model were looking for something a little more racey and polished (cars that is). ChumpCar quickly became that place. Along the way our tracks filled up with BMW's and Miata's. To this day, these are the two most common cars on any track in any club. Why? They are good and they are cheap. Building a winning race car is difficult for a pro, almost impossible for an amateur. One way to make it easier is to start with a factory car that is good at racing. There is no shame in picking up a clean used E36, paying a guy to put a good cage in it and then go racing. It is better that a new team joins our sport that way than give up trying to build or track a random car their neighbor gave them. It's really no different than Samsung and Apple dominating the cell phone market. There are plenty of other choices in smart phones out there but almost everyone out there buys a Samsung or Apple. Why? They work well and the aftermarket supports them. While BMW's and Miata's make up much of our fields, there is still plenty of variety on track and on the podium. Take a look at a few of our recent podiums: Sebring: 1 - Lexus SC300 2 - Porsche 944 3 - Mitsubishi 3000GT 4 - Toyota Supra Buttonwillow: 1 - Miata 2 - E36 3 - Miata Gingerman: 1 - E36 (318i) 2 - Neon 3 - Civic I for one like the variety and the close finishes. One lap separated 3rd from 1st at Gingerman. One might argue that all or most of the cars listed are expensive to acquire and this is evidence that we have lost our roots. But what should they be driving? Is there a list of cars that are acceptable for budget racing? In the end wouldn't every team want to build the car that gave them the best chance of winning a race or that they can buy the cheapest or enjoy the most? Ultimately people will choose from what is available in their part of the country. This selection varies. While Datsun's are popular out West, you almost never see them East of the Mississippi. Bad car choice? No, they just rusted away years ago with the salt and humidity out here. But I digress... The cars have gotten nicer, cleaner and faster since 2009. Some of this is due to the fact that we don't require cars to cost $500 anymore. So whereas in the past you had to find and race a $500 E36, now you can buy a $3600 E36 and race that. Some would say this is a problem, that we have abandoned the little guy and made racing too expensive. I do not. First of all, racing is expensive no matter how you slice it. Race for a season or two and the cost of travel and consumables will soon out weigh the cost of the initial car purchase. Many would argue that starting with a cleaner platform will save you money in the long run anyway with less worn out parts to replace. Second, I have heard the argument that a nice looking car is too expensive and ruining our sport. Paint and vinyl has nothing to do with how fast a car goes. Appearance is optional. If a team doesn't mind their car looking like it lost a fight with a tree, so be it. But others enjoy the chance to recreate an old livery they they saw on TV as a kid, or just enjoying the look of their shiny race car. You asked where are we going and I feel like I'm preaching. I will tell you what concepts are in my head and that I check every idea against daily. 1. ChumpCar is committed to keeping road course endurance racing accessible to the average Joe. 2. We are committed to keeping every driver safe on track and on pit road. 3. We are committed to keeping the costs of racing as low as reasonably possible. 4. We are committed to giving all our members a voice and actively seeking your input. 5. We are committed to the growth and success of this member owned club so that there will always be a place for average Joe's to come race. 6. We are committed to the fair treatment of all members with no regard given to how much money one has or who they know. 7. We are committed to providing a professional experience for every member at the event. 8. We are committed to giving our members as much track time as possible. What does all this lead to? We are adding more cars to our list of acceptable vehicles. Newer models that in some cases are all the way up to current generation models. We are constantly analyzing vehicle values to ensure as much parity as possible on track that leads to more close finishes like we've had. We are looking at ways to improve driver safety and communication on track through technology and policies. We are adding and stabilizing good dates at great tracks that work with your schedule and budget giving you the best places to race in North America. We are adding staff to the organization that believe in these policies and uphold them consistently coast to coast. We are using new and existing methods or communication to reach new racers that just don't know they are racers yet and grow our family of members. We are and will continue to make changes that provide a better experience for our members up to and including our new name which will be announced in November of this year. In the end, I'm not oblivious of the fact that we will not be the club that everyone wants to be a part of. Some people have different goals and are looking to get something else out of their racing. We can't be everything to everyone. But we have a set of rules that I and many others believe in and we will hone our rough edges and practice what we do until we are perfect at it. Along the way we will give thousands of average Joe's a chance to do what they never thought possible - race on world class tracks wheel to wheel with other average Joe's.
  2. 29 points
    It would be nice if there were a single number I had to focus on, but it doesn't work that way. The reality is that each track has it's own price and there are varying costs for staff and travel. -Track prices range from $6,000 per day to $60,000 per day. -Some tracks charge a "turn key" price, while others only charge for the track. -All events require (and are included in turn key prices) corner workers, an ambulance, a fire truck and tow truck. -Staffing levels are determined by the event attendance. I have 24 people working Daytona but only 8 at Autobahn. -Increased staffing leads to increased travel costs (they have to sleep and eat). -A few tracks have limits on the number of cars allowed on track (AMP, Laguna Seca and Mid Ohio). -The only constants are my insurance and the trophies. -Events also need to make enough money to cover corporate expenses as well (website hosting, accounting, office supplies, etc). With all of the variables that go into our expenses, and the attendance forecasting we have to do over 12 months in advance, it's possible for us to lose money with 60 cars at one track and make money with 25 cars at another track. We can lower the minimum number of cars required to break even, but that means we raise the entry fee for the event. While I would love to see all events in the black, mostly what matters is that for the year, the club is in the black. When I say I need 20 cars to make this happen, part of that statement is just ensuring that the teams have enough other cars to race against. 12 cars is a track day, not a race. The other part is calculating how much of a loss am I willing to take to host the event. So this is why sometimes I may say I need 20 cars to make it happen and other times you may hear 35. If we just sell out every event though, we'll be ok. Hope this answers your question.
  3. 25 points
    There is no excuse for my behavior that will make it acceptable. I owe an explanation, at least as far as I understand it after trying to figure it out for myself. I came to Champ from a different series and limited understanding of the differences in the cars. My experience was with SE30 on track, and I made assumptions about Huggins' car based upon that knowledge. As you mention, having won 3 races in a row, there was chatter in the paddock like, "Huggins is too fast, he has to be cheating." Hearing that over and over again, and applying my mistaken understanding of what an m20 motor was capable of, I became convinced that it must be the truth. I was tired and angry, and wrote what I wrote. I reacted to the responses on Facebook, and it escalated. People have rightly criticized me for tarnishing Huggins' win with baseless accusations. However, Mr. Huggins, I think that in your response to this, you have given all of us a lesson in how to be an exemplary racer, and in fact strengthened your reputation. I have been told in private messages from many that you are a very open and generous team leader, and have been more than willing to help others along the way. Had I taken the time too get to know you and your team, I would have known that, but I didn't. I was all to happy to jump to conclusions, finding it far too easy to dislike someone I didn't know. I became something we all dislike. Believe me when I say this has led to profound soul searching. Thankfully life is long, and we have the opportunity to learn lessons, particularly when they come the hard way. For the second day, I am moping around angry at myself for my behavior. I think the best and most mature thing I can do is maintain a presence in the forum, and take the licks I deserve. I have been asked if I am interested in driving for the 24 hour race at VIR. The thought of showing my face is mortifying, but I think it is the right thing to do, and I owe it to the Series and the Huggins team. I hope that by that time, you will have forgiven me. I also hope that my comments don't reflect poorly upon SriRacing. I am saddened that my comments will surely mar your impression of SriRacing and his other drivers for some time. Please don't have contempt for Sri or his other drivers on my account, they had nothing to do with my outburst. I apologize for slinging mud at the series. I bear most of the responsibility for the tone of the FB posts as anybody, because I started it. I hope that my behavior in the future can mend my reputation. Also, I realize that I made another typo yesterday. Sri's cars have the m50b25 engines in them. I just can't get out of my own way.
  4. 23 points
    ...and aside from the Tuttle debacle; there was a great Champcar race, with great teams! Team Jacky Ickx had a very eventfull race weekend (end of week),... as usual! To be allowed to keep racing. I had to start a new business/job! So, I ended up having to work the last week before Christmas, eventhough my wife had already scheduled our vacation in Mexico for that time. We moved our vacation, but I was going to do a "Tom Cruise", fly back at the last minute before the race, and have my team bring the cars to the track without me. I left Cancun at 10:30 am on Thursday, and got to the track before the race cars. Once they were finally in tech line, we found out Mark was not coming! Mark (evilwheel), our fastest driver on the team, had been battling the flu for the last couple of days. He had not missed a race in the last 49 endurance races with the team! On race day, one of the first radio communication was: "Lots of fast cars today!"; we were in 14th & 15th. Around 9:35, a red Porsche was sideways coming out of 16, Keith thought he saved it, he didn't! He hit us hard in the left rear sending the right rear in the wall. It turned out the Porsche driver also thought he had saved the car, they talked, we are OK. Keith came in the pits with a bent race car, flat tire, and an empty tank. We changed a wheel, filled the tank, and I jumped in (litteraly because the door doesn't open). The car felt like a crab in a straight, was turning left reasonably well, didn't want to turn smoothly to the right, and wanted to throw me off track under braking! It was vibrating so bad I had a death grip on the steering wheel causing me cramps! And we never took the time to hook my cool shirt, I'll let you guess where the hoses and connectors ended up... I guess I got used to the new handling characteristics of the car, and turned decent consistent laps. After the initial shock on how bad the car felt, Clark and Brian did the same. Unfortunately Keith had to retire the GT30 after loosing power. It sounds like only 5 cylinders are doing their job. It may sound like a normal occurence for a Mitsubishi engine to expire, but it has not been our experience. We can't even remember how old the bottom end of our engine is! But the 935 kept on "crabbing away"! I went back in for my second stint, the car was still evil to drive, but somehow it didn't feel as bad, and I had so much fun behind the wheel! Thanks to the BMW #411, and a mysterious red Miata with a white stripe on the hood. At first I thought it was an orange Eclipse catching me, but when I realized it was a Miata, I thought Randy was at the wheel! I had to make sure I was a mile ahead of him going in a corner for him not to catch me! It was so much fun, and thanks to all teams for clean driving, and giving plenty room to podium cars by the end of the race! Then we put Chris in the car for the final stint, he had been wanting to finish a race! With 1 hour 40 left, he's 2 laps behind the Tuttle car who still has to make a pit stop! He's turning 38's 39's, and tells us he feels he can do 36's. Clark tells him to remain consistent, wait for the 108 to pit, and he would let him know when it's time to push. Tuttle waited in vain for a FCY, tried to open the gap, but finally pitted with less than 30 minutes to go. I was pitting next to them, so I can tell they took gas, but their pit stop looked a little short... (and we usually get corrected if we have so many people over the wall during fueling!). Anyway, they come out 15 seconds in front of us! Next lap, Chris does a 37, he's 11 seconds behind; then a 36 (as he called it), he's 4 seconds behind, then he's on his bumper, by the next lap he's in front of him, and keeps on leaving him; but then the 108 stopped on track... (the rest has been debated on past posts) We are happy to have passed them under racing conditions (kuddos to Chris's beautifull stint), and that we didn't get the win because of a DQ! I'm completely blown away my team won Sebring again. Other that being the track geographically the closed to our homes, and having done all the Chumpcar races at Sebring, I don't understand why this "home track advantage" works so well!? Thanks to my wife, my team, the Champcar staff, and (almost) all teams for an incredible way to finish 2017! A special thank you to Elon's team/family/friends for a great hospitability!
  5. 23 points
    Our first Chump Car race and it was an eventful one. BUt we had a blast and are already planning the next one. We learned a lot from watching other chumps. Quick recap of the #715 B Class Prelude 3 Locos una Loca Racing Day started with the National anthem being sung and alternator being replaced First stint went great. Easy laps at 2:28, short shifting, easy on brakes and we quickly moved to third in class and 35th overall. Second stint, axle goes, in the garage 20 minutes, axle replaced, back out racing Then the motor grenades at the entry to 1. We didn't know what to do. Race was over and we were all pretty bummed. Only two drivers got to drive. My wife, not knowing anything, points to our parts car and says can't you just swap motors. Like it was the easiest thing in the world. We looked at each other and said "Gee, well why not. I guess we could swap motors. Let's swap motors" So after making sure the thing fired up, we got to work. Found someone a couple garages down running an RX-8 with a hoist and he let us borrow it. So we pulled two motors, swapped trannies (the donor car was an automatic), bled the clutch and were back on track 6 hours later. Were on track for another hour, then we blew the other axle. At this point, there was no doubt. We were going to fix it too. Into the garage we went and replaced that axle, and the intermediate shaft from the automatic which had no business being in a manual car. Got it back out with about an hour and a half to go and the car owner drove the last stint in the dark and took the checker. What an unbelievable feeling of accomplishment. GREAT TIMES. Thank you Chump and we will see you guys again soon.
  6. 22 points
    One of our drivers, @Choray911 is a Nissan guy. He walked by their car on Thursday and was like "Nice. A VQ35." They were like, "No. It's a VQ30. See the valve cover." He was like, "Nope, it's definitely a VQ35. See the variable valve timing? That's a later model Altima intake. *other random Nissan stuff*". They were like, "Nope. Definitely a VQ30." We had a pretty crappy day with the Mustang. We were praying they would make it to impound so that we could protest them. We notified Chumpcar officials that it was coming. Showed them how a VQ35 is obviously not a VQ30. I guess they talked to the team and the team decided to take the DQ for the wrong VQ.
  7. 21 points
    I would say that the plan would be quite simple: a trip to the local Pick 'n Pull. To elaborate: there is no need to grandfather something as cheap and easy as putting an unmodified stock tank back in the stock location. Far more extensive and expensive work has been mandated with other rulings with no plan to help the affected teams "be legal". Engines have been unswapped, turbos removed, etc, with no consideration or compensation so I see no need for a plan for something that takes an afternoon and $50 to rectify.
  8. 21 points
  9. 21 points
    The Bill of Rights, Amendment II: A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. Seems pretty clear to me. And I bet it seems pretty clear to you as well. Do we agree it says the same thing? Chances are no. People have argued this all the way up to the US Supreme Court. Even after a ruling they are still arguing it! Why do I mention the 2nd amendment in a race car forum? The reason is that both the 2nd amendment and ChumpCar rule 3.2.3. both suffer from a difference in interpretation. I would argue that our founding fathers put a great deal of effort into clearly spelling out their thoughts on gun rights in 1791. Over the past 250 years though, the English language has changed somewhat and we now argue their intent. It's a pity we can't ask them directly. On the other hand, in the case of our doorbar rule, the authors are still here and we can ask for clarification. By the number of responses on here and the few emails I received about this, the wording is not clear. I opened up the rulebook and read the section on cages all the way through. I read it like I always have, like someone who was part of it's thought process and enforcement. Made sense to me. Then I slowed down and read it again and again. This time pretending I knew nothing of our rules. Like I was a new car builder. This time I saw what some of you have seen. It was at this point that I clearly understood the glaring omission of a single important word that changes the meaning of the sentence entirely. Unbroken. It is important to note that there are two issues in discussion here. 1) Phil/ChumpCar is not following their own rulebook and they are making up arbitrary decisions at the track, and 2) What does the ChumpCar rule on X-bars say? To the first point, Phil and the techs that work under him for ChumpCar do not arbitrarily make up rulings as they go. The rulings they will issue at Daytona in two weeks will be the same rulings they gave out at VIR last year and Pittsburgh the year before. I have spoken with all our techs and impressed upon them the importance of not only applying our rules as they are written, but applying them as they are written all the time. We had large problems with consistency at tech in years past, but Phil as Chief of tech has worked to train all our techs in what our rulebook says and to apply it all the time. This is not to say they can't miss things, because they do sometimes, but I find they catch more than they miss. To that end, Phil and Dan have been failing broken X-bar designs for years. I know because I have had numerous people come to me and ask me to overrule them (I won't). Their interpretation of our X-bar rule has been consistent. As for point 2, what does our doorbar rule say? ChumpCar rule 3.2.3. reads: Two driver-side door bars (labeled “7”) that will prevent cockpit intrusion. NASCAR-style or Xdesign is acceptable. At issue here is what constitutes a doorbar? If you can clearly define a doorbar then we all can count how many we have. Many here, and yes that includes other sanctioning bodies, view the X-design as 2 bars. After all, if you were to write an "X" on a sheet of paper, your pencil makes 2 lines. ChumpCar's interpretation of the "X" design however has always been that it is comprised of a single, unbroken door bar that is braced by two other short bars. This leaves the car 1 bar short of meeting rule 3.2.3. Our at the track solution was to have teams weld in gussets, tacos or a steel plate to their "X" and allow them to race. Other acceptable solutions that retain the "X" shape are to bend 2 bars to meet in the middle (as was shown earlier) or to add a sill bar at the base of the cage. So after five pages of discussion, where are we? ChumpCar's position has not changed. Door bars must be continuous, unbroken bars. What has changed is that you have shown us that something in our rules was not clear. I am currently amending rule 3.2.3. to reflect more clearly how we expect an X-design door bar to be constructed. I'm sure there are other items in the rulebook that may not come across as clear as we intended them to be. When you find those items, bring them to our attention and we can clarify our wording so everyone understands. It is counterproductive to immediately assume that ChumpCar is out to screw people over and start a long argument on the forum. I am rarely on here so you'll get quicker results by emailing me your concerns directly. Should you already have some blurry rules in mind, email me now or bring them up at the board meeting next week. Hopefully we can get everyone to the point where they trust that the ChumpCar Board and staff are here trying to make your experience a pleasant one and not one of grief.
  10. 20 points
    "The views, opinions, and drunken rants expressed by @Choray911 are theirs alone, and do not necessarily reflect the views, opinions or positions of Chattanooga Tourenwagen Meisterschaft or any member thereof. We make no representations as to accuracy, suitability, coherence, or grammar of any information presented by @Choray911 and will not be liable for any errors in this information or any losses, injuries or damages arising from its display or use."
  11. 20 points
  12. 20 points
    Good conversation here and I enjoy hearing the feedback. I have stewarded over 75 ChumpCar events in the past seven years so I have a little bit of data to pull from. I remember the random green on track. I hated it. It was the opposite of racing, and it didn't take long for people to start bunching the fields to try to pick up the green. Dangerous and awkward. There was also the issue with people running at 100% on the pre race caution laps. This brought about the first use of the pace car. But there was an unmentioned issue that perhaps only I saw as the steward - people were not ready to go at the scheduled start time. I hate being late, ask my wife. So I had the idea that we would offer an incentive to be on time. If you would have your driver belted in and your engine running ready to hit the track on time, you could start on the pole behind the pace car. In the beginning, only a few were ready. These were the teams, and still are, who finish at the front. They prepare for the race and take it seriously. As the years went by and we grew, the number of cars in a race went from 30 to 100. More prepared teams were looking for that slight advantage of starting out front. Then, as usual this happens: To those who run perhaps one or two races per year, you may not have seen this. I did. A lot. And it was getting worse. Guys were skipping the drivers meeting to grid their car. Fights were breaking out out on pit road over position. WGI 17 was a highly publicized moment, but was not the first incident and it wouldn't be the last. That Sebring incident with Jimmie? It made it back to me and they were held back. There were words exchanged over that. I don't like to start my day that way. So the random advantage the top teams had by gridding early did exist, but it was becoming dangerous and unmanageable. Many of you came to me asking for something safer. In the end, what we tried at Gingerman, Buttonwillow and Sebring was not my idea, but one of yours. I said I would give it a shot and decide how it worked. In all three instances, it was easy, smooth and orderly. People were not rushing out of the drivers meeting. There were no tools carried up and down pit road, and cars were still ready to go when the pace car left. I like what I see and many of you have told me the same thing. As we have been working hard to standardize the ChumpCar experience from coast to coast, things like this are being written into our new operations manual. Going forward, all staff at all events will be able to reference procedures like this to manage the start of an event. It's not written into our BCCR because there are times we may want to try something fun like qualifying at the National Championship (not saying this is a thing, just using it as an example) and we need to have the flexibility. If we do plan on trying something different at a race, the event director will announce it ahead of time. Some of you have expressed concerns about accidents happening with fast cars at the back. Understand that the fast cars will always be moving through traffic. Whether they have to do it on lap one or lap four doesn't really matter. They still have to plan and execute clean passes all the time as they race for the lead. And for the new driver who is terrified about being in the middle of all the racing on their first lap, they are still welcome to waive off their grid spot and start at the back of the field. We had a large number of cars do this at Sebring last weekend. Don't get me wrong, with the incredibly close finishes we have in ChumpCar I know that where you start can have an impact on the finish. The problem is that qualifying is the only way to address that issue and it is not within our reach. An extra day of racing would not only cost you an extra $500+ in entry fees, but impact your travel dates and costs as well. My staff would run out of vacation days from their real jobs and we still haven't even addressed how we would grid 120 cars on Saturday morning at Daytona. There are limits to what can be done with the time and money we have to work with, so there are times that random will have an impact on the outcome of the race. But I can remember only one race where the 1st and 2nd place car were gridded in 1-2 as well. Had their grid positions been swapped, would they have finished differently? We'll never know. Keep feeding me your ideas and thoughts. My goal is to make this sport as enjoyable and safe for you as possible. We may all be amateurs, but we can make this as professional of an experience that you will find anywhere.
  13. 19 points
  14. 19 points
    I didn't want this to get lost in the clutter of the VIR thread. While reviewing some raw video from the race it is clear that one of my drivers didn't leave enough racing room for your car in T5-T6 and it resulted in contact in the 5th or 6th hour. If I had known this happened I would have personally visited your pit to apologize. I hope that this incident was not the reason that your car retired from the race. Please PM me if it caused significant damage - it would be the front left side. If anyone else had an issue with my car please let me know. I'd like to think that my drivers tell me everything that happens, but apparently not. Peter St Pierre Hong Norrth Racing #163
  15. 19 points
    I'm reading this thread and I'm a bit troubled by the fact that a lot of the content is about settling the scores between teams who had contact during the race. Are other readers all that interested in those debates? Can't you rather discuss at the event, or by sending each other nasty emails? I'm for sure no subject matter expert, and for this race I was only in the pit lane and not out on the track. But this is a series for amateurs and among the 500 drivers there are going to be good drivers, bad drivers and absolute boneheads. Take that in consideration. There are drivers who prefer not to use their mirrors at all and will pull out in front of you in deliberation or in complete unawareness. There are fast cars who prefer not to use their brakes and will hit you if you veer into their paths. If one doesn't like dents, both mirrors and brakes are good tools to use. (Easy for me to say who never aim for podium positions...) I think we have moved from being clueless scared newbies in a rolling chicane of a car, to being relatively confident and relatively quick and consistent - the thing I have noticed during all these years is that there are a few teams who are VERY quick (Rbank, Simon...thinking of you guys here) who never scared me regardless of how slow I was or which strange lines I decided to take. They'd leave some space, they'd pass when they could do that cleanly and effectively and I'd generally just never notice them much until I checked the results. And there were other teams who would seemingly assume that I knew what I was doing and would blow by me with no margins for error - and somehow those teams were very often active in these forum discussions about who was to blame for contact... Yes, one does learn pretty quickly which cars to stay away from, both when passing and getting passed! Just my two cents. Now back to the blaming again!
  16. 18 points
    John Allen Special race report This was a race we didn’t have on our schedule to do early in the year. We had pretty much written off coming back here after trying 3 times and never having any decent result with a blown motor in 2013, totaled car in 2015, and wreck in 2016. We came into the race just wanting to get drivers cycled through that had never raced here, including one that was originally from Sebring. We started well down in the order in 39th place and started just clicking off laps with Rich in the car. About an hour in he called in and said he was getting tired, so we suited up and got ready. He came in after 1 hour and 15 minutes. Andrew then got in and seemed to immediately get in the groove laying down consistent 2:47’s for not knowing the track other than gaming. About 1:30 into his stint he called and said the fuel light was staying on which meant that we weren’t going to make it a full 2 hours like we do everywhere else. This would ultimately be an issue all day most likely due to the air temp. Andrew then turned over to Justin with the car in 14th place. Justin would go out and lay down some very nice times averaging 2:45 with a FTD of 2:42.6 and would also set the tone on where we were starting to line up finish wise bringing the car into the pits in 9th place . Next up was Rodney, who hasn’t had a whole lot time in the e30’s to get real acquainted with them. All we wanted was for him to just turn laps and keep the car on track. He would bring the car back in after his full stint in 9th place. We were starting to get antsy on race strategy, something we weren’t necessarily accustomed to. We couldn’t make the rest of the race on 1 more driver change so we put Rich back in to try and go an hour again and maybe catch a FCY. Rich turned some more decent laps and brought the car in in 11th place. Andrew would get back in with about 1:30 left in the race. It was his job to just bring the car home with maybe a Top 10 finish. After some miscommunication on where we were at in relation to the Inactiv guys and trying to improve his FTD he reset the team FTD with a 2:42.4 after following the #697 E36 for a few laps. He finally got word that there was no reason to push the car hard as we were stuck where we were for position. We took the checkered in 11th place overall and 3rd in class until we found out later that we garnered 10th after the DQ. In a race that the team considered a “drunken softball” weekend to come home with a 2nd in class in typically the hardest class to podium in and 8th in completion, we couldn’t have asked for anything more. This was by far the best race we’ve ever had as far as being at the pointy end of the field.
  17. 18 points
    Ya'll know The Little Speed Shop that has a small shop in one of the garages at WGI? They saw how quick we were Saturday morning, the carnage after our wreck, and even cut the bent rims off our almost unworn tires. They reached out to me on Tuesday after the race to say they had a stripped, caged, almost ready to assemble '87 E30 coupe shell just sitting on a lift. It was the owner's personal car that he was building to show off the shop's capabilities before an abundance of customer work and rapid shop expansion made it unnecessary. After visiting their monthly Cars and Coffee (they host a huge one if you're ever in Rochester on the right Saturday), we loaded up and hauled the new shell back to Detroit. Finally unloaded around 2am Sunday morning. We're honored that a place like The Little Speed Shop thought we were worthy to finish their build, and to bring it back home to WGI next year as a fully-built racecar. With this chassis we will be back even quicker, and hopefully we can hold up our end of the bargain and get this beautiful build some wins!
  18. 17 points
    VQ30..... that is ringing a bell somehow, where have I heard this before?
  19. 17 points
    Thank you to the Champcar staff for a great weekend. Phil for being reasonable and firm. I know you have a safety standard to uphold and integrity.. I respect It was one hell of a weekend for us, but we kept battling and prevailed.. 19hr drive down, 14hr race, 20hrs back (white out conditions). 3300kms on my ODO. I'm beat. Can't wait to get some good sleep tonight.
  20. 17 points
    That is not my take on them..... they were bragging about taking out a car at wgi while in the lodge eating dinner. We couldn't help but overhear them as they were at the table beside us. They didn't realize we were the car they took out. When we mentioned something about it, they said tough luck and to look out for them because they were going to be aggressive all the time. The main guy kept bragging about how he was the best driver ever in chumpcar because he had raced prototypes before.... I don't think he realized that a driver that had just won a championship in prototypes was with us... If y'all wonder why I am aggressive about this issue, it is because of the entire body of work, not just one incident....
  21. 17 points
    I finally finished my engine swap, 95 Maxima VQ30 so only 55pts total, can't wait to try it out in Atlanta.
  22. 17 points
    Jason here from M Bros Racing. I just wanted to post up a pic from the in-car video at the end of Saturday. After Mark and I went side by side for the final 3 corners racing for 4th overall, Mark came right over to shake hands and rave about the final lap. That's what it's all about! https://www.facebook.com/MBrosRacing/
  23. 17 points
    I attended an event this past weekend organized by the local Porsche club in collaboration with Riley Motorsports and Porsche of Hickory, It was a fund-raising event to benefit The Crossnore School, a residential facility for NC children whose families are unable - due to poverty, addiction, abuse, etc. - to care for them. (For an introduction to Crossnore, visit : https://youtu.be/MsaIs-EQcGw) As part of the event, we were given tours of the Riley Motorsports facility. And non other than Bill Riley himself gave the tours!! We even got to meet the REAL Mr. Riley - his dad Bob! If you've listened to the Dinner with Racers podcast you'll recall Bill comes across as very down to earth. And he is exactly like that in person. He gave a tour of the shop taking us everywhere and showing us everything and then just gave us permission to look around and talk with the mechanics working on the cars they were prepping for LeMans.. Unbelievable the way he just opened up the whole shop for us. The stuff they do on site with carbon fibre is unbelievable. After the tour I got to talk with him a bit about Chumpcar. We reminisced about the early Chumpcar days and him bringing "that Damn Riley Probe" to Roebling Road Raceway and embarrassing all of us racing neophites.. Surprisingly ,he still has the Probe and said hell be at the VIR 24, So be forwarned. With the 2X rules and free stuff there's no telling what he may be bringing to the track!! All I can say is we're very fortunate to have someone like Bill on our BOD. A great guy who truly "gets it" at all levels of racing.
  24. 16 points
    Wow. I bet Troy is enjoying watching this, at least someone else is in the hot-seat for a while. I am going to try and take the high road and not comment or express my feelings on some of the things said about me/my team. My one sentence on feelings is that I think all of us should take a minute to breathe before typing – some comments appear very critical towards Champcar the Organization, and others appear very Critical of Champcar Members, Drivers, Employees, previous comments, etc. I think there is a way to address these issues in a constructive manner without being aggressive. Sometimes, attitude is “assumed” more hostile through text (like the camera adds 20 lbs? or is that beer?) so I always try to check my assumptions when reading comments. Conversely, I always try to review my post for contextual attitude before hitting submit. I will be the first to admit though, I have gotten it wrong before. What happened: - We (Huggins) were “officially” protested after the VIR12 by the #300 Godzilla team captain Kelly Main. I never saw the protest sheet, nor do I know if it was formally presented to Champcar. I also do not know who provided the $50. - I was asked by Champ to remove the Cylinder head. - A facebook post (original post copied in this thread) was made by Jeff Bennett proclaiming we (Huggins) were cheaters and Champcar did nothing to stop it. Various other people chimed in. - Some of the facebook post has been removed/deleted (unknown by who), or I am unable to find it. I do understand there is a 300+ post thread running concurrently with the Forum thread, but I have only seen snippets sent to me by others. - Valve Cover Removal at Dana & Phil’s Request What did not happen: - Formal Protest after the VIRN8+8 Day 2. - Formal Protest after the RA14. - Formal Protest at VIRS12 from Jeff Bennett (Sri Rental Driver), Ben Dawson (Winsome Motorsports), Craig Guthrie (unknown affiliation), Aaron DeLong (Beast Mode), Charles Harding (Godzilla Racing) or anyone else involved in the multiple facebook posts. - Cylinder Head Removal I spoke on the phone with Kelly on Friday, 09Mar18 and had a 15-minute discussion. I wanted to express that I harbor no negative feelings because of the protest, and he indicated the same. Everything was cordial and I certainly look forward to racing against him and his teammates in the future. I also spoke with Mike Chisek last week. I expressed my regret for the existing controversy, and we discussed potential solutions at length. I understood from that conversation that Champcar is working to improve the protest rules because of the recent increase in its use, and is open to suggestions from everyone on how to do so. Just to be clear, I don’t see this as a witch hunt. We won three races in a row, so some debate is to be expected. Just like when the car survived @Wyatt, I take this as a sign we have a well-developed car. I have been open from the very beginning (see my build thread), and try to be inviting and friendly at the track. We always *try* to run in-car video, and that video is posted in a free and open channel for anyone to watch from home. I have had many discussions about the car, prep, building, etc with teams at races, including on Friday before the VIR-S race. I attempt and hope to present an approachable persona in the group, and improve the community as a whole. I would invite Jeff or anyone else to come have a chat at the next race. If it’s the day before, I’ll have a cold beer waiting for you. So, like I said above, skipping all the emotion, here is some data from the race. Moving Average is the average of all laps less than (Average + 3*IQ Range). I came up with this as a way to remove caution laps and pits from the average. Based on the data, It shows that we were only .5 sec/lap quicker than SRI67 during moving laps. Another thing to note is that SRI67 completed 474 laps. The primary results page shows 471, but if you go to the individual page and download the laps, you will see 474 lap times. This is a result of something that went on during the race, and I will let Jeff or SRI explain if they desire. Pit stops play a large part in the discrepancy of laps, as seen here: Theoretical Best Stop is (Fastest Lap*2 + 5:00 + 20 sec). I came up with the 20 seconds as a guess to the time lost to brake into pit in, and then accelerate onto the track from pit out. It seemed to work for all three teams – each team managed to beat the theoretical best time once during the race. It could be a timer error on Champcar’s part, or perhaps my 20 second fudge factor isn’t correct, but as luck would have it, each team did it the same number of times. The 20 seconds also accounts for using the fastest lap instead of the average lap, which is another choice I made since it seemed to work best with the data when I originally developed this analysis. Here are the Pitting specifics for each team: Huggins: (we pitted before the S/F so our long lap is first) SRI67: Godzilla: If you prefer a chart, My interpretation of this data is that SRI67 (Jeff’s car) could have been only 3 laps back if they had managed to meet the “theoretical best” pit consistently. If you consider that with the 3 laps down they started, they would have only been on the same lap as us at the end of the race. Godzilla took an extra stop compared to P1 and P2, so they were at a disadvantage to start with. I am not sure if they had an issue, can’t make 1:55, or gambled on cautions and lost. We lucked into two cautions that fell in our pit window. The first was right at the 2-hour mark, or 10:50 AM. From the data, it appears that both SRI and Godzilla also took advantage of that caution. The second was the 4th pit stop, around 5pm. The data shows that neither SRI or Godzilla took advantage of that caution. Because of that caution, we gained approximately 1 lap on both teams. Sum is the “Gap” time for the three laps from approx. 17:03 to 17:09. Laps is Sum/Moving Avg. SRI’s second stop at 12:45ish caught the tail end of a caution, however my interpretation shows that they did not make it into the pit until it was almost over (or fully over). The first 2 laps (blue arrows) are fairly equal for both cars. The “sum” is the values in the blue box, from 12:45-12:52 when SRI67 was in the pit. Godzilla’s second stop DID make some time up on the caution. I calculate they made up ½ a lap. The blue rectangle surrounds the values that are summed, and “Sum” is divided by the “average lap” as above. I did not include the first lap, as both cars appeared fairly equal. It does not appear that any other pit stops were affected by cautions. If you add the Lap we gained during the 4th pit stop due to caution to SRI67’s total, it appears that they *could* have WON if not for Pit stop execution, Cautions (luck), and the other issue. The reason I am sharing this hard-earned data is that I don't believe it is accurate or fair for either team above to say "cheater" when the very outcome of the race could have been different based on execution, not speed. Yes, we have a fast car. We have worked HARD to develop it and ourselves over the past few years. But we won the past three races by executing perfectly. For additional info, Here is the overall comparison of every lap <1.37 (the 3 IQ range) for both cars The red lines are approximate stint limits for both cars. Because I deleted laps >1:37 the lap numbers don’t line up perfectly. Here is the same data, sorted by smallest to largest. This is a new metric for me, it came out of ApexPE’s analysis following Road Atlanta. This gives a visualization of the consistency of each team over the course of the race. The flatter the slope, the more equal each team’s laps were. This club has come a LONG way in the past 5 years, both before I built my car in 2015 and after. In addition to the rules changes, we have over 11,000 race miles in Champcar alone to draw experience from. The car has improved. Everyone’s has. Cars that were competitive in 2015 are NOT competitive currently, unless they have “kept up with the joneses”. Also, we have benefited from one hell of a driver in the car a few times, who also happens to be a good coach. In fact, 2 of our drivers are fantastic coaches. We have all benefitted from my investment in Data. I have seen many references to Spec E30 in the thread. Champcar has many things Spec Cars do not, Aero, No Min Weight, ECUs, and wider tires to name a few. I don’t think it’s a good comparison.
  25. 16 points
    While I love a good debate, we usually prefer to spend our time between races working on the cars and not debating past events... That said, we haven't had many opportunities to jump on the forum but figure this is a good time since a lot of the conversation is about our TWOth Autosport Civic at Sebring. While I've read a lot of great comments and concerns about the safety of ballooning fuel tanks and fine tuning the rule book, I feel a little clarification is required for our specific situation. Please allow me the opportunity to mention a few facts about the fuel tank, capacity, and circumstances around this Sebring impound. Following ChampCar's decision moving forward, we will abide by the rules as we have in the countless races we've run in the series, while continuing to focus on our car, drivers, team, and fellow competitors' safety. 1. Safety Anyone who has driven with us or looked closely at our cars can attest that we put a LOT of effort into preparation and safety, as ChampCar is only one aspect of what we do. We build clean race cars and prepare the Honda Civics the same way we would our Porsche GT3 Cups or Radicals. Our drivers come to expect this level of safety and preparation, and are surrounded by top of the line equipment. Some may find our pricing higher than other ChampCar teams, but very few will doubt the amount of thought and attention we put into the program. We work hard and take pride in our cars, which is reflective of our results and the drivers who've raced with us. 2. The "Protest" Lets call a spade a spade - not once during post-race impound was there mention of a safety concern with the fuel tank in question. The "protest" (while I believe not official, as the paperwork was not submitted nor was the $50 paid) was only debating the competitive advantage, based on a perceived amount of fuel going into the car. In fact, the "protesting" team even searched additional items that could have been modified, as the inspected tank showed less alteration than they expected. The car and fuel tank passed safety tech before it was further inspected by officials at impound and deemed safe/legal. I am not discounting the validity of people's safety concerns about altering stock gas tanks, ventilation, or capacity for expansion in an impact - I am simply stating that we felt the alteration was in fact safe, complied to the rules, and have cleared safety tech as well as impound. 3. Fuel Capacity & Jug Sizes Many people are talking about ballooned tanks, dumping massive amounts of fuel into the car. While yes, the tank has been expanded slightly for capacity benefits, the overall shape has changed very little. We have also taken advantage of the venting rule, speeding up our filling time while also reducing splash-back during fuelling. If the "protesting" team was watching as carefully as they claim, they would have seen a "Fill Here" line, clearly written with red paint marker on every single TWOth fuel jug. This is set to 5 gallons per jug (allowing room for expansion & inconsistencies), and shown well below the top of the dump can. The reason for this? 2 jugs isn't enough to completely fill the car, overfilling Huntsaker jugs results in jugs venting issues, and would splash in the golf cart when transporting from the trailer to the pit. We may as well do 3 jugs and keep them lighter. In addition to this, and as our pit stop calculations show over the past 15+ ChampCar races we've run with these jugs (times 2-3 cars), we only ever dump 2-2.5 jugs into the car at each stop. Calculating the volume, this works out to a range of 10 gal conservatively, or a max of ~13 gal if the car is completely empty. Between improved venting, filler neck and fuel line, it starts to show how little the tanks are actually altered. Yes, we can likely achieve more volume with a fuel cell, but we feel that our stock tank and location is safe. 4. $50 for 1% Based on points 1-3 for context, I was originally frustrated that a team could simply complain (without formal protest) and find out information that we have learned over a long period of time. Again, not including the safety argument (as it was an unvalidated one at the time), we have spent a lot of time, money and effort competing in ChampCar, developing systems to improve performance. Call it R&D cost. This comes from building 12+ cars, entering 2-5 cars in 10-15 races per year, and accumulating thousands of race hours, not to mention the hundreds of hours transporting to races. This is where the 1% comes in - the last bit that 99% of teams didn't notice. That race time and experience helps you find the little things. My only argument is that a "protesting" team should at least owe ChampCar officials the $50 protest fee in order to question our findings. After 10 hours, the ChampCar staff are the real heroes of the race and deserve a couple cases of beer. If I am incorrect in this, I apologize and retract this point. Either way, we'll have Canadian beer for the staff at Road Atlanta. 5. Expanding the Tanks I'll explain exactly what we do to our tanks. The information is out anyway, and I imagine most will look quite closely at the next race. I agree, you'd be foolish to alter a gas tank from a 20 year old Honda. We even felt unsafe using a stock tank from that era, as time, rust, and metal fatigue can seriously alter the safety of the tank. We purchase brand new OE replacement fuel tanks. If you've ever purchased one, you'll notice that they're usually slightly concave on the bottom - not the individual ribs, but the entire bottom of the tank. Tank mounting straps on Honda's are adjustable with a threaded bolt holding one end into the chassis. We mount the new tank loosely and clamp the filler neck. Air pressure is added to the original vent port, expanding until the bottom of the tank becomes concave. Occasionally 1 or 2 of the lower ribs flex outward, but never is the tank completely ballooned. In most cases, the metal returns back to shape, leaving very little alteration. The process takes 15-30 minutes and the tank is then properly installed and tightened. 6. Moving Forward & Road Atlanta At this point, we will await ChampCar's decision before making any alterations to our equipment. We trust the series and their BOD in making important decisions, and will follow whatever ruling they have. If that means a $1000+ investment in fuel cells for each of our cars, so be it. We love the close racing, great teams and huge field sizes. For teams curious or questioning our performance and safety, I welcome anyone in the paddock to stop by our pit at Road Atlanta. We love chatting, sharing information, looking at other people's work, and debating strategies. We all have a common goal of progressing while maintaining a safe standard, and would do much better with these conversations face to face. Unfortunately, between preparing cars, shovelling snow and watching hockey, we have lots to do with very little time before Atlanta. If anyone would like to discuss our program and car preparation, call free to call me directly at 613-371-2838. Next time, should a team feel we are competing illegally, please remember to pay your $50 and submit a formal protest before asking for further information or involving series officials. I also don't recommend packing up and leaving because rules didn't work out in your favour - it shows poor sportsmanship. Perhaps your forfeited $50 could have gone towards participation ribbons for next time. See everyone at Road Atlanta! TH
  26. 16 points
    Thanks for the positive comments and support guys. I don't mind or take comments personally it comes with being the Tech guy. I would love to make my position for Champcar my only job and hope to when I offically retire in a few years. If everyone agrees you can contribute to my retirement and I'll retire early and make that happen sooner than later. So please keep in mind when sending emails or expecting speedy responses to forum posts I'm still working a 40-50 hour week at a regular job. Until the rules are changed starting at Road Atlanta in Feb. you will see the current tech sheets posted on the windshields of the impounded cars rain or shine at all Champcar races for 2018. I will work with the registrar/s to make this happen. I will use the log books to do my post race tech as they are one and the same as far as the documentation of the VPI, value adders and TCV is concerned. If and when the rules are changed I'll change with them. Phil McKinney Director Tech & Safety
  27. 16 points
    How many hideous machines kicked his pretty little bottom?
  28. 16 points
    Big Exciting Endurance Racing BEER. This has to get some votes
  29. 16 points
    I have many ideas in this job. Some work out pretty well, others not so much. I misread the passion for the 24 at VIR and thought that a D8 would be just as well received. I was wrong. While there are those out there who would have appreciated a more relaxing D8, the majority of you wanted your 24. I received dozens of emails over the past two weeks all asking me to bring back the 24. No one emailed me about their excitement over a D8. I am an administrator for your club and it is my job to provide events that you want to participate in. You wanted a 24 and now you have have it. However, if attendance at the VIR24 is down significantly next year as a result of the Nelson 24, I'll have to review the concept of two 24's for 2019. Now if you'd like to continue the debate on something else - what about a D8 inside the 24? (not my idea, btw)
  30. 16 points
    Just wanted to chime in on behalf of Level One Racing. We have been with Chump for 4 years now and finally picked up our first trophy on the 4th anniversary of the team getting together. It was a really special weekend. We had a strong lineup and a great crew and we finally put together a clean race. Winning the class was big for us but putting the Miata on the podium overall was way beyond our expectations. This is for all the Miatas that have been bullied by the VTEC's, straight 6's, and v8's. How bout them apples. Thanks to Chumpcar for another awesome event, even if they didn't get us any flowers for the prom.
  31. 15 points
    I think you guys are seriously stepping over the line when you're stalking this guy's FB page and posting the pictures over here. It's actually borderline creepy. I would think an "Administrator" of the series would have better judgement but from what I've seen in this thread I'm not so sure that's true. So now you're taking to attacking the racer who filed a protest. Congratulations for making the series look bad just a week after @chisek put up a Red Flag video espousing the inclusiveness of CCES. This should do wonders to endear the series to this guy and all who know him or may have considered joining us. S.
  32. 15 points
    Why do we need scales? This isnt a power to weight race series. This series rewards you for building you car better than your competitors. If I wanted to race in that type of series I would go sign up for WRL races. @Bill Strong you should stick to the media and marketing and let the National Tech Director do his job. Thus the reason we should havr a tech committee and put @mender in charge. Bill sounds a lot like the old JC and needs reeled in a bit.
  33. 15 points
    Factory tanks are engineered to withstand a significant amount of damage in a crash. The nature of incompressable fluids is that there needs to be somewhere to put the extra fuel displaced by the collision damage even when factory "full". This could be some combination of shape, the random "innie" dents and available headspace. I think poly tanks are superior in this. There are limits,We lost a local young man in a firey T-bone crash when he got hit less than 1 mile after filling up.The hit was so hard the underfloor tank was disrupted so badly it blew a seam. An "innie" dent here and there and a bit of airspace on top allows a degree of crush with a "full" without rupture as it gives a place for the displaced incompressable fuel to go to. The bladder or poly liner in the fuel cell is meant to contain the fuel even if the cell is badly dented. A factory tank that has been blown out to remove "Innie" dents and filled with all the airspace on top removed is a little like a big old white tick ready to pop. PS I'm not an engineer but I did stay in a Holiday In Express once.
  34. 15 points
    I'm not giving anyone a break. Tuttle tried to cheat & his only regret is that he got caught. This is a professional race team & they knew dam well what they were putting in their car. Seeing as how they put a Haltech on the car they literally have to select what motor is in the car from a drop down box. Plus you don't build that caliber of a car without knowing exactly what parts are going into it. It all comes down to this team with unlimited budget tried to pull the wool over our eyes. We aren't a group of podunk backwoods rednecks that only know about the chevy tree-fiddy. Well..... I'm a podunk neck, but I have a unhealthy love of Maximas as I own 3 of them. Now, some of you people have lost your ever loving minds. 1 year bans, heads on spits, bazillion dollar fine? No to all. Simply move them to EC & let them race. This is still for fun after all. I applaud Tuttles effort & ingenuity. I really tried to talk to them to see what they were running as I am in the planning stages of doing a motor swap on my turbo maxima from a vq30dek to a built vq35de. They were very coy & started giving misinformation. Don't change the motor, bring it out in EC & see how they do at Rd ATL. I would like to thank Mike & Dan for their professionalism when I brought up the discrepancy. They listened to my concerns & the self policing process worked.
  35. 15 points
    Congrats to Philippe and crew on yet another win at Sebring (ban the 3000gt-up the vpi- just saying- hehe) and I wish I was there, next year for the double is on the schedule and look forward to the battle as always. I love it when someone texts me and says- "You need to check out the forum for the Sebring race as someone is getting more heat that you." I am all over that. On this matter I want to say Champcar and officials did what it should do and what I would expect them to do and happy they did it. I have been to a lot of races and have seen a few dq's in my time and they are consistent with the rules and are fair. I do not want to see us think that they should have done more as that is not their role to police the world. This is not SCCA or NASA where we have spec cars, or ST classes with weight and hp. I would like to comment on a few things that people have said, as you know I have issues keeping my mouth shut for sure. First, I am not friends with the tuttle team or trying to defend them at all. I had them run into me at WGI on the 6th lap with them being ultra aggressive. I talked to Tuttle(I am not sure his name, but the head guy) after the race. He basically said he tells his drivers to go all out and aggressive as they are going for the win. I said I tell my guys to be conservative, wait to pass when needed, go to the end and go for the win. He looked at me and laughed. I said how times have you won, he said he got 2nd at COTA. I said hmmmmm and felt enough was said. After this race I informed my drivers to just say clear of them and watch out for them as they drive this way. On blaming tech for not figuring it out early. There is no way tech could do that. They have maybe 300-500 teams overall with cars to look at in a year. Think about all the different makes and models and differences and really there is no way for them to know what swap it is. I know Toyota V6's and MR2's, the BMW guys know BMW engines, ect. Tech can not know unless two things, someone tells them, which is seems like it happened here, or that person is very familiar with that specific make and model, so a 1 in 100 chance there. When a team goes through tech tech is really looking for a few things and what is really important to them. The main focus is safety, which is should be. Phil and Dan is a safety Nazi's and I am glad for it to keep us safe. They check belts, cage, ect. The 2nd is to make sure paperwork is in order. It is the teams responsibility to list all things that they have done or put on the car per the rules. As far as not going through tech due to time or whatever, that is not a valid excuse. I have gone through tech 3 or 4 times this year alone. The first annual when I did the first tech. I then added Schroth enduro belts as an upgrade (the belts are amazing btw) and went through again just for that. I assumed I needed to go back through due to a safety item and better to have someone else look to make sure I put my loops correct and it all good. I waited until later when the line was done and brought it in and took 5 minutes. Another was when I changed my fuel system at Barber as I changed to an external fuel pump and hydramat instead of internal. It did nothing to my points or anything, but considered it a component change and having another set of experienced eyes on my fuel setup is not a bad idea. I also when through once as I added some plastic bits, 3 points, to make sure I claim every single thing on my car. The point here is it does not take much time at all to go back through tech. Saying that though, at WGI it was hours of waiting to do the first annual tech and early races are long, but that is something we all have to do. On the punishment. They got DQ'ed, which they should have as per the rules. If all that is said on the posts here is true then they got the DQ as justified. The rules do not state we should ban them for a race or life, or suspend them. The rules, Champcar officials and the racers like all of us found out and did what was appropriate. There have been many teams that have cheated in the past, found out and dealt with and here are some examples. McQueen is one with a laundry list of cheaty items and they changed it back to be legal and continued to race. I would say that what they did was on par or worse that Tuttle. I also remember a BMW with an ecu being chipped in the past for day 1 of an event and they got the dq, put in a stock chip day two and raced. Another is Blitzvin and he got called out and changed his car around to suit. Sure, the infraction here is very bad with a very cheaty engine and trying to disguise it. Now that we all know he used a super cheaty engine most teams will be over the car with a fine tooth comb. The nissan guys have come out and said the why and how it is cheaty and I bet we can count on them for the future. Looking at the past I see a couple of outcomes. McQueen went much slower and did not dominate as they have so they left, but they still did race after. Blizvin changed his car back to slower and has not done well and I have not seen them in a while, but he still raced after. The sway bar omission at AMP they said they will never come back and quit themselves and put their car up for sale, I think that is a bad knee jerk reaction, but it is what it is. The BMW ecu chip deal, they go dq and raced the next day. I guess we will see what happens this time. Long term I see these possibility. 1- They quit the series due to shame. 2- They come back as is and run EC. 3- They come back and put in the proper engine and run. Everyone looks over the car and makes sure it is legit. 4- They come back for a race with scenario 3 and do not have fun at all because of shame and leave. I would also like to hear from them and see what they say and their side, mainly for my curiosity of what they would say and my own popcorn watching entertainment.
  36. 15 points
    January of this year 2017, a coworker of mine and I ran across some YouTube video's of Champ Car. We both had racing experience, him off road and myself late model oval. We got to studying building a car for Champ. After some thought we decided on the Miata. In March I was able to locate a 90 model sitting beside a house with grass and weeds covering it. After talking to the owner I was able to buy it real cheap because it did not run. A 45 dollar timing belt later I had it running. Thus began the hard work to put together a race car. With a limited budget we decided to leave the car completely stock and concentrate on the safety aspect of the car. The next several months consisted of putting in the cage, seat, fire system and just making the car legal per the rule book. After almost a year we had what we felt was a safe race car. The only performance items we added were a radiator, shocks and springs. Our intentions were to run Barber and pray the drive train and motor would last long enough for us all to get some track time. The best thing about this whole deal was the fact that my 19 year old son spent a lot of time with his ole man working on this project. For that to me was the best part of this whole deal. As a teen myself, my dad spent a tremendous amount of time with me working on old cars, I still have and drive often a 66 Pontiac we rebuilt from the ground up. He passed away in 2003 leaving me with memories I intend to recreate with my son. This project has allowed me to spend quality time with my son and pass down lessons learned from Dad. Anyway, we finally made the 60 mile drive down to Barber in December with the car and camper in tow. Fully expecting to maybe run the first day, load up a broke race car and head home. After two days at the track, we completed 347 laps and just over 825 miles. The car was probably the slowest out there but it made the whole two days and was able to see the checkered flag both days. For two EMS helicopter pilots and an 19 yo college student who had never done any kind of road racing, I think we did pretty good. I guess the whole deal is the best 2017 memory, from the excitement of racing at Barber to the enjoyment of spending time with good friends and my son. We are now looking forward to 2018 and making the car more competitive. Because of the limited budget we hope to try NCM in Kentucky and of coarse running Barber again. A special thanks to the entire Champ Car staff and all the racers that made us feel welcome at our first race. What a Memory!!!!!!!
  37. 15 points
    Note to self...Do not drive quickly over a blind hill on a pace lap.
  38. 15 points
    All I was trying to address was slotting your strut tower to accomplish the same thing as using a CC plate that added points. You can use a grinder, dremel tool, or other hand tools and we will not add points. Yes you can cut your springs. Slot your strut towers to get all the camber you want but add a plate and it adds points. Final answer. Phil McKinney Director Tech & Safety
  39. 15 points
    Not necessarily. I see the meeting going like this- ___________________________________________________________________________ Bill: Let's hollow out bolts to make them lighter. MR2 team #2: I assume the fastener was designed correctly for the application and should not be weakened or it could cause reliability issues. If the manufacture thought they could use a smaller bolt to save weight they probably would have. Bill: But if we make our cars less reliable than stock, we can request a point reduction of 150 points based on us making the car unreliable. All MR2 teams: GREAT IDEA BILL!!!! Agenda for next meeting- How to lighten hubs with 1/8" drill bit. ____________________________________________________________________________
  40. 15 points
    Good racing. My father and I did our whole race, so each of us drove 50%. I would hate to see anyone dis-invite Randy. He is the ultimate good-guy. I showed that the MR2 was too fast over a year ago. Before the VPI adjustment. Chumpcar didn't listen. I showed it again to Mike and he listened politely and interested but it did not change. It's his show to run. I also had to petition to NB miata down from 700 points. Now it's 450. The swap rules are still BROKEN. But I respect Troy's engineering. Don't blame him, fix the rules. @Doc please don't deny that@Bill Strong is staff and an insider. Bill's done a great job with the media, but there should be more impartiality.
  41. 15 points
    This actually was P1 doing the slowing. We noticed that P1 was slowing down as soon the the pace car turned off it's lights. Trying to get a run on the green and dust the field. We're not going to play those games so the pace car slowed down to keep P1 close. In the future, if a car be it P1 or P40 does not keep up with the pace car, they will be black flagged.
  42. 15 points
    Wow! What an amazing experience. Thank you all for allowing us to bring my virtually stock, daily driver 1983 VW scirocco out for the weekend. We had pretty amazing crew of 2.5 drivers who had never wheel to wheel raced, 1 mechanic, a girlfriend and a dog. Was for sure a learning experience and we'll definitely be back for more. Thanks again!
  43. 14 points
  44. 14 points
    Here is my "race report" for the weekend. Instead of competing in the race like I have in the past, I decided to participate from the comfort of my recliner. I watched all 14 hours uninterrupted (OK - quick bio breaks) and was monitoring four screens: 1. Chumpcast on a 65" TV 2. Huggins feed on a laptop 3. Miscellaneous feeds on an iPad (and occasional research work to answer questions) 4. Race Monitor on phone So even though I was hundreds of miles away, I probably knew as much about what was going on out there as most of the teams. I used the chat function on Chumpcast to add information that the broadcast crew was too busy to look up (I had the benefit of not having to sound informed and intelligent for 14 hours) and to answer questions people had. Chumpcast just keeps getting better every race. Towards the end when they kept saying 14 hours takes its toll on cars, I kept thinking "you guys have got to be just as worn out as the cars" Congrats to Huggins on the win. It seemed somewhat unlikely at hour 8 but a lot happened to the other top cars and suddenly Huggins had more than a lap lead. Chris builds a solid, reliable car, that is for sure. I have a few comments after reading this entire thread. I'm not going to bother throwing in quotes because it will make my post way too long You can tell that similar cars pitted near each other. Check out this first lap footage. It looks like an E30 parade https://youtu.be/kE3o9-0rx_0?t=9m The race was much cleaner than years past, but we could still use some improvement in driver situational awareness and flagging. It was good to see the "single car incidents" outnumbering the "multi-car incidents" I've driven Road Atlanta many times and raced it with Chump and other orgs. If you haven't RACED this track in real life (i.e not SIM), you really shouldn't be commenting on how people are driving T12. Seriously. A front-running car will be passing there on the inside and outside all race long. I can't tell you how many passes I saw there on the Huggins feed during the 14 hours. I've done tons of passes there in the top-5 car I raced there. Is it one of the more intimidating turns in America - yes. Can you afford to be a p***y and not pass there - NO. If you don't have the balls to pass in T12, you will not do well at that track. On the incident between Wyatt in the #307 NBY 240 and the white chicane (camaro/firebird). I am definitely not defending that car or driver, because they caused me to be one step off of the podium in a previous year, but I can probably explain what happened. Based on other info, that driver seemed to be both a novice and inexperienced on this track. If you think back to your first time at RA (and lets assume you didn't have SIM time there), when you drive under the bridge there is always a "where the F*** does the track go?!?!?" period of about a second or two because you can't see it over the nose of your car. Once you get used to the track, that goes away and you never think about it again. But when you are still in that mode, your vision narrows completely during that window (if a $1,000,000 bill appeared on your tach you wouldn't see it). Based on the swervy line that that driver took approaching the bridge, I think he was a newbie. So there was no chance of him seeing you in time even though you were past his front bumper. Once again, to be clear, I am NOT defending him. I wish that team would stop coming to the race until they got some more experience/practice - they have hit too many front-running cars. Running Bulls - a wise man once said that if you keep getting hit in T7 then you are too slow in T6. There is a LOT of banking in T6 and you can go way faster than it seems. A whole bunch of other E30s are hauling the mail through there (even ones without aero) so you can solve your miata problem with some more speed through T6 As an addendum to the above, T6 and T7 are so close together that they are almost a combo turn. When there are slow cars, T7 becomes a "two wide" turn. In the second miata hit you show, you definitely qualify as a "slow car". You need to be watching your mirrors and leaving room. I know that the Chump passing rules say it is the miata's fault, but if you watch other people's videos you will see that the pass the miata made is a common one at that turn at that track. If you continue to do what you did in that second video, you will get hit again and again. Now if you get your speed up in T6, you won't have that problem. People see you park it in T6 and assume you will leave space in T7..... (note - I don't normally defend miatas) I like the guys at Running Bulls so I am not picking on them. I thought about PMing them about this but realized that there were others that could probably benefit from the info above so I added it to my report. I used to be one of those slow guys in T6 too... Thanks again to all of the people who made this race possible, and in particular to the teams that streamed uninterrupted on YouTube (as good as Chumpcast is, if you have more screens it is good to get some of those other feeds going). Bill said multiple times "don't watch my feed, watch Chumpcast". Some of us were watching BOTH!
  45. 14 points
    Bingo. I've heard the "oh they spend money with Champ" comment a few times... Yes they absolutely spend money. Go ahead and alienate the other 300 teams (or whatever) that spend as much money as these douchebags do and see how that ends up for the series. I didn't know we were following the oh-so-successful short track business model... Just reading what I have in the threads, plus previous comments, PLUS what @wvumtnbkr said, they can get F'd for all I care. I'm tired of dealing with a-holes. I'm turning into a grumpy bastage and I'm not even 40. Get off my lawn.
  46. 14 points
    If you break into the top 10 for the first time and pop some campaign, what's the big deal? Some teams might even pop champagne for finishing a 24 hour race regardless of position. I fail to see the problem.
  47. 14 points
    That is the sort of tortured interpretation of rules that causes problems in my opinion. If its changed in any way from stock then it's not stock. If it holds more than stock it's not stock. Period. Saying a ballooned tank is stock is absolutely pissing on my leg and telling me it's raining.
  48. 14 points
    I'm all for keeping this a friendly series, forgiving errors, and letting bygones be bygones. Anytime there is an incident on the track my team always makes it a point to find the other team involved and hash it out. Sometimes we apologize, sometimes we forgive, and sometimes we just agree to disagree. But I haven't seen or heard one word from the Tuttle team. For me it's kind of hard to let bygones be bygones without any sort of acknowledgement. Many have called on ChampCar officials to be more agressive. I for one think they have done an outstanding job of providing us a venue to race in. They have also done a great job of keeping the races competive in a series that allows pretty much all makes and models. As someone else pointed out a blessing and a curse. I spent 32 years in the Army, and the Army has no shortage of rule and regulations, as well as mechanisms for their enforcement, ranging from letters of reprimand to court martial. But in my experience, the strongest enforcement mechanism was the policing of our own ranks. Peer pressure. We have a great series and I feel truly blessed to be a part of it. I don't know Tuttle, but I really don't understand how a person could cheat so egregiously and then take any sort of satisfaction in winning. Reminds me of all the Stolen Valor wannabes, the stinking little wusses who want to wear military awards and decorations they never had the intestinal fortitude to earn themselves. So yea, if the Tuttle team were to fess up and apologize, and I truly thought they were sincere, I might be willing to let them buy me a beer. But I really don't see anyone with the type of mentality their actions seem to indicate as having the intestinal fortitude to step up to the plate take responsibility for their actions. That's just my two cents, everyone has to make their own choices regarding who they're willing to drink or race with.
  49. 14 points
    Put your reading glasses on for this one... Thanks to the staff for putting on a great event. Thanks to the cornerworkers for braving the heat and the rain. Thanks to the pit marshals for keeping us safe. Thanks to Tyler with RVA Graphics for the great price for the awesome lettering on our wing. Thanks to Racing Radios for hooking me up with a Stilo to NASCAR adapter for a great price. Congrats to Cone Crushers and Godzirra on the wins. Thanks to Justin and Charlie Ford and my wife for crewing for us. The #148 Chattanooga Tourenwagen Meisterschaft E30 team had a great weekend at NCM. This was our first race of the year and we made a bunch of changes to the car in the offseason. Our team philosophy has changed from ‘simplify and add lightness’ to ‘complicate and add tires’. The major changes were 15x10” wheels with 245 width tires, an adjustable rear wing, and a mean looking front splitter. Phil, @CabotTeg118, and I got to the track Thursday afternoon. I was going to meet up with Tyler from @Crank Yankers Racing to do a beer exchange and some bench racing. I was working out of town in Paradise, KY 2 days before and couldn’t really bring beer with me. @Choray911 was coming up the next morning, so he picked up a couple of growlers that night. We walked the paddock and hung out with @Doc and Chris from Brew Krewe. We met the guys (whose names I already forgot) with the Godzirra 300ZX. We ended up staying up pretty late bench racing with Tyler. Luckily we weren’t doing the test day Saturday, so we could sleep in. Friday morning we got a late-ish start and took a few Advil. For some reason we wake up with headaches when we sleep at the track. We figure it’s the cots in the truck. We had a few things to work on on the car Friday, but mostly we just hung out and watched practice. We knew it was going to be pretty hot Saturday, so we tried to stay hydrated. Choray showed up in the early afternoon but he forgot the growlers. Sorry about that Tyler. We spent the evening hanging out with the guys from Subliminal Racing and Bucksnort, then continued at our hauler with Trey from the Nashville Trash Miata team. We didn’t stay up too late, but we found out that Natural Light is not as hydrating as water, despite the watery taste. Saturday we got up and got the car ready on pit road. We had a crew guy, Justin Ford, ready to move the car the starting line as soon as the driver’s meeting was over. We were close to pit out and about half way through the driver’s meeting there was already a line to our pit stall, so he just moved the car. We ended up starting in 4th or 5th place. Saturday was an 8 hour race. In the past we’ve been able to barely go 2hrs on a tank. We weren’t sure how the car was going to do with the new aero. Well handling wise it was great. Fuel consumption wise was not great. Luckily the race was red flagged for 15 minutes or so of the first stint to clean up oil from a blown motor and Phil went the full 2 hours. We came in in 3rd place, but the water light was flickering. We opened the coolant reservoir and about 100 gallons or so of water boiled out. So we had to refill and bleed the coolant on the first stop. That took an extra 3 minutes or so. I got in the car for the second stint. About 2 minutes before I got in the car I remembered letting someone borrow my Stilo to NASCAR adapter at Road Atlanta. I didn’t get it back, so I no longer had radio. My stint was pretty uneventful...I did get really close to the Rbank car. I was following him for about ½ a lap and quite a bit faster in the turns, but quite a bit slower in the straights. I underestimated his braking abilities and was inside of him at turn 6. My front tire was roughly at his door at turn in. He didn’t see me and turned in on a normal line. I locked it up and just missed him (later I saw that his rear tire rubbed our splitter). At 12:53 I looked at the clock and thought, “I need to make it at least one more lap and we should be good on fuel.” About one second later the car sputtered in turn 6. So I prayed they were ready for me, did a careful in lap and made it to the pits. Luckily they were ready. @Choray911 got in for the 3rd stint and kept us in pretty good position. But at about 2:48 the car sputtered right after he passed pit in. Now we were worried because he was going to have to make it a full lap without dying and we were going to have to make an extra stop due to getting back on track with more than 2 hrs remaining. Cho was radioing in that the car was cutting in and out as he went around. It died for a while on the back straight, but he got it restarted and made it into the pits. We lost about 2 or 3 more minutes on that. When Cho came in, we realized that dying on track would put us back on track at 3:01. So if we could make it on fuel, we wouldn’t have to stop again before the finish. Our wing was in maximum attack mode. We were going to try to adjust the wing to minimum downforce mode to help with fuel, but we didn’t have the time during out stop. @RJTill went back out on track in 5th place with no way of catching 4th and no way of getting caught by 6th. We just needed to make it to the end of the race without another stop to maintain position! So we told him to hit a target lap of 2:40 to maintain position and conserve fuel. He was carrying as much speed as possible through the turns and staying in a higher gear everywhere possible. It looked like all of the top 5 cars were in fuel conservation mode because we were all running sub-optimal laps. Then we got a lucky break. The Godzirra 300ZX in 4th place had to make an emergency driver change due to losing the cool shirt pump and the driver overheating. They had a long stop since they weren’t ready for their driver to come in and they got on track about 1:30 behind us. They were gaining at ~6s per lap, but by our calculations they would barely catch us by the checkered flag. So we told our driver to maintain speed. Then we got a 2nd lucky break. The HongNorrth Grumpy Butt Supra was black flagged (not sure why). They were faster than us so we were worried that they’d get out just behind us and pass us. But they got out about 15s behind the 300ZX. So we told RJ to maintain his speed and we’d let him know if he needed to speed up. It looked like the Supra was going to have to stay in fuel conservation mode since they weren’t turning fast laps. But then they lost a fuel pump and that ended their day (sorry guys). The 300ZX was continuously closing the gap at about 6s per lap. With 3-4 laps left, they were 18s behind us. We told our driver to be ready to run 2:35s. Then with 3 laps left the 300ZX ran a 2:42 and the gap stayed at about 20s to the finish and we took 3rd overall. Overnight we changed brakes and rotated tires front to back, adjusted the wing to ~25% of maximum, slightly adjusted the tire pressures, and celebrated. We probably celebrated a little more than we should have, but none of us was sick the next day, so apparently we didn’t celebrate too much. On Sunday @gr1vlet, RJ Till, got the 1st stint. We told him to go as fast as he wanted since we were pretty sure we’d make it 1:45 at a minimum. He went pretty darn fast. We started in 10th place. Cone Crushers started just behind us and passed everyone by the second or third lap but they started with a 2 or 3 lap MOV penalty. By about the 5th lap RJ was in the lead and chasing Cone Crushers. I radioed in that he was in the lead and Cone Crushers was 2 laps down due to an MOV penalty. RJ said, “I don’t care, I’m going to pass them anyway”. He was gaining on them by 2-3 seconds per lap. He caught and passed them pretty quickly. But he didn’t pull away. The Cone Crushers driver saw where he was losing time and kept up with RJ. RJ and Cone Crushers built up about a 30s lead on the field when a mustang hit the tire wall hard coming onto the front straight. The driver was ok, but the car was toast. There was a full course caution to clean up the track and repair the tire wall and our lead was erased. RJ had never been in the lead for a restart and asked what he should do. We talked about a few options, but I recommended trying to slow down before the front straight and get a good run onto the straight and take a defensive line. He did not do that and immediately got passed by Hong Norrth and Bucksnort. He repassed them both on that lap and continued building a lead. We had a few issues with the transmission popping out of 3rd and RJ said it was getting worse. We figured we could drive through it, but it would probably be difficult to maintain position without 3rd. So we crossed our fingers and hoped for the best. The RBank Saab stopped during the full course to refuel. I guess most of the other teams stopped during green flag and after the first round of stops we were ~1minute behind the Saab and over minute ahead of the team behind us. We were maintaining the gap to 2nd and catching the Saab at a few seconds per lap. Then we had a rear control arm bolt back out and then the rain started. We thought about getting back out on track after losing 5-6 laps, but we just decided to call it a day with the rain moving in. Then the rain moved in as we started packing up our gear. When the rain moved out we finished packing our stuff and the race was nearly over. I have to say watching the racing on Sunday was pretty exciting! There were ~5 cars at the front running in a pack early on and there were 3 cars running pretty close at the finish. Overall it was a great weekend. We ended up in 3rd place on day 1 and we only need to spend ~$10 to fix our car. Well we need a transmission, but we have a spare. We’ll just have to buy another spare and we knew the one in the car was on borrowed time. It was a fun and exciting race and we got a trophy to add to our small collection. Our next planned race is Barber in December.
  50. 14 points
    I am having a hard time understanding how any legal Chumpcar engine would need race gas.....