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  1. To our esteemed membership, I have some very serious reservations about what has happened over the past week within our club. I want you, the membership, to know that I DO NOT support some things and am working diligently behind the scenes to get to the bottom of what's going on. Firstly, Mr Chisek's Red Flag Video was posted and his words and actions are not shared by myself. Mr Chisek has acted unilaterally in deciding to censor our forums and social media as well as has acted without the Board's support to threaten to remove member's who question the way our series is run.
    43 points
  2. Good morning folks. I had a great discussion with Mike Chisek and Bill Riley yesterday. I knew that the TAC was working on about 5 or 6 additional cars that need revalued on the VPI list so for 2021 there will be some VPI changes as we were finalizing these items to put in the BCCR when we release the final version. I have not seen a draft of the BCCR yet, but I know there are people working hard to get this completed. Now I did suggest that the GBU go through tech with a TAC member present so the car could be revalued appropriately to make sure there were no items missed. Now we can't ta
    25 points
  3. Just got home. What a way to cap off the weekend! Race recap tomorrow
    24 points
  4. Bavarian Mustache Werks had an excellent weekend as well. The racing has always been great here and the competition sure has stepped over the years! No longer is the Coookie Cutter Classic the 'easy points' race with a light field that it used to be. AWESOME to see that so many others have discovered how good this race is! I give it 5 of 5 stars, would recommend! I made a number of improvements and other changes (maybe improvements?) over the looooong off season; some aero work (not planned, test-day a few weeks prior at Gingerman sort of, uh, forced me to make a new F
    22 points
  5. Just to be clear. Nobody is upset with GBU for building the car or how the team is or drives. We are upset with how the series handled teching and point association with this car, both pre and post race. The team is truly a great group of guys. We just need to fix the broken stuff.
    21 points
  6. 1-Line summary for petitions, grouped by similarity. Could be affected by my personal opinion so you should read them yourself to confirm accuracy. Petition 10 and 89 are identical except for the words "non-OE". The current 2x rule technically doesnt state "non-OE", but the intent is generally accepted based on context. I noticed during this event that 5 of my petitions were not included. I contacted Bill and let him know. If you submitted petitions, you should confirm all of yours are present. My 5 were submitted on 28 and 29 January and would have
    21 points
  7. I agree, just saying, "those" teams come and go like the wind, don't lose sight of the little guys. I'm more worried about the last 3 cars that we lost because they couldn't afford it any more, and no one even knows their names.
    21 points
  8. I support Rich in this. I won't be voting to terminate anyone's membership because they have a bad word to say about the series. Please keep libelous statements off the interwebz, but criticize away. That's how we get better. And there's a lot more to the Saturday night stuff.
    21 points
  9. We had the stars align in a unique and awesome way. Rounded up a solid group of drivers and crew despite the COVID issue. 3 RV's and 2 Trailers made it to the track with no issues. Gathered and Froze 80 gallon antifreeze jugs for cool suits Managed to get 2 working freezers to the track even with the national freezer shortage Found both of my fuel drums damaged on Wednesday evening, but sourced 3 replacement plastic ones this go around to avoid the rust issue. Filled both cars plus 180 gallons in drums and cans on the way to the track.
    20 points
  10. That guy was a total jerk, he was also saying, "that's how y'all win races", and "stop looking over the fence". I heard him say both at least twice, if not 3 times and some other distasteful tidbits.This type of behavior is unnecessary, and inappropriate.
    20 points
  11. This was our first ChampCar race and a very much last minute decision when we heard entries were down and the requirement to have run other races was being relaxed. My team are located in Indiana, Ohio and I'm in St Louis so it was too good to pass up. Our car debuted at and won the LuckyDog race at the Charlotte Roval a few weeks back finishing with a failing transmission and bad oil cooler pump so I figured it would be easy enough to turn around in a week once we made the call.... then I remembered all the other parts we used up at Charlotte and started ordering parts with express shipp
    19 points
  12. Great thread. I love that people are engaged and reading - which makes this a great opportunity to educate and discuss some of the misconceptions or possibly outdated information. As adoption of fire systems is spreading quickly across road racing and the racing community in general, the information really isn't out there, and technology is changing - certainly at the higher levels there are some pretty awesome innovations that have dramatically improved efficacy, but even in standard systems things are changing and developing. I'm replying here as someone in the racing industry
    19 points
  13. Anybody else concerned with Tech's pattern of threatening competitors who are seeking answers, petitioning or questioning the series' decisions with respect to another car?
    18 points
  14. My story. I'm not one for protesting. Have never done it. I also understand that post race tech, whether protested by a team or discovered by tech, illegal is illegal. When I am asked to withdraw my protest and walk away... I was pissed. I was also told by an official, "Mike Chisek and one of the tech guys teched the car at their shop. If Champcar made a mistake then they can't penalize the team for it." I replied back, "so it is ok to penalize the rest of the field for your mistake?" No reply was given. I also told tech, during our discussion, that there were more than 8 attac
    18 points
  15. ChampCar is successful, it is also different. I have raced my whole life and I attend about 20 of our events a year. I am amazed at the quality and closeness of racing throughout the field, classes included. We have the largest variety of cars racing against each other with no dominance by any one . I am constantly amazed at the varity of cars in impound. From racing speck cars to karts with every moving part checked to the thousandth of an inch - any rule set will have issues. Are our rules perfect no, are these proposed rules perfect NO. This year, and others we have held more ra
    18 points
  16. The Board of Directors is currently investigating the events of the weekend and would appreciate the time and ability to to complete such before we make any rushed decisions. As such, I'm also asking that any staff members of CCES please refrain from commenting any further on this subject UNTIL the Board has completed our review and the BOARD will respond to the membership with a recap of what happened this past weekend and the steps we will take to make sure we don't find ourselves in this spot again. Thanks Rich and the BoD.
    18 points
  17. If all of this turns out to be true VRG is going to be EXTREMELY disappointed in this series. It’s one thing to file a protest with a form because tech is not aware of what right looks like, it’s another thing for tech to know what’s not right and do nothing about it because there was no form submitted!
    18 points
  18. Okay I will bote as a Board Member. I have been talking with TAC, tech and other BOD behind the scenes post Indy. Yes I am still a little on cloud nine but my feet have almost touched the ground. I have issues with the Riley build and how points were addressed eith the build. We should all be following the same BCCR and how points are applied. Thats one thing that I am passionate on having done and understanding how points are different. Now on Sunday at Indy we saw the level of how many laps Riley should get so how do we fix that? Its to apply points correctly per wh
    17 points
  19. I watched some of it unfold and took notes and asked some questions. I was just a driver for this race and we had issues so I was working on pulling a motor when impound started and walked over. I was told a protest has been made on the Riley Vette. I looked over the cars and the Riley Vette as I do to try to steal ideas for my own cars. The 2nd place Purple Miata really impressed me with how clean and nice the build was, great job guys on it. The vette was a very nice build, we can all see that. I liked a bunch of items and took some notes for the future. Reclined seat to keep it low and the
    17 points
  20. Won't have an oil temp issue if you don't run an oil temp gauge AND just to keep this thread on track congrats to @Huggy and the rest of the team. Absolute masterpiece of a race you guys ran.
    17 points
  21. From what I've seen (in this instance only), the rule book doesn't have flaws. The enforcement of the rule book has MAJOR flaws.
    16 points
  22. Race recap for Grackle Motorsports (Car 310, the crappy old greenish Civic). Saturday went about as good as we could have ever hoped. 62 cars turned laps, we managed the 8th slowest fast lap of the day. Had one unplanned pit stop that cost us about a minute or two. Ran out of fuel one lap before the end, so we didn't get to cross the yard of bricks under checkers, which was kind of a bummer. Still managed 19th overall and 8th in A class (behind a bunch of cheaty Miatas and a BMW). We were also the highest finishing Honda. Sunday was going pretty well, though we were stuck in t
    16 points
  23. I have been out of the seat for awhile. 2016 was my last full year of racing as I took on this job at ChampCar. Since then I did two races in the hyper slow Opel GT, one race in a Celica, and 1/2 a stint in the MR2 GTv6 at Utah, and one rain race at VIR in 2018. So it's been quite awhile since I had any seat time. I was really excited about racing in the 24 with Visceral. I was finally able to drive a Porsche in a race. Been a dream for me since I was a kid. But I was also afraid of how bad my performance would be. When I ran the MR2 at the December 2018 VIR north races, I tho
    16 points
  24. 16 points
  25. So instead of actually enforcing the rules we are going to give everyone free springs instead of making 1 team take points for them? ZERO sense.
    16 points
  26. With all due respect if the explanation was that simple a post should of been put out Saturday night or Sunday morning. It would of stopped three days of hearsay & finger pointing. I also don't think censorship is a healthy item especially for a Club. In the tread that was deleted there was some bad mouthing going on but I also saw some viable criticism on how to correct some issues. I typed out a long answer to a question asked went to post it & topic closed. I'm running for the board because I enjoy ChampCar and want to see it prosper, comments both good & bad sho
    16 points
  27. Why cant we just get rid of points for anything that makes the car more reliable but doesn’t make it any faster. Lets say my cars vpi is 500pts. I want to put a better radiator on it to help cool the engine better. I take a 30 pt hit for that and that now costs me 3 laps. That radiator doesn’t make my car any faster to make up those 3 laps. We spend thousands of dollars to go to these races and that doesn’t include the cost of building the car. I want to run the entire weekend and not have to worry about overheating the car, starving the engine of oil, or overhe
    15 points
  28. Patience everyone. The guys at Riley are working as fast as they can writing the 2021 rulebook so they can turn it over to the series for publication.
    15 points
  29. I finally was able to catch up on some sleep and just take it all in from the weekend of what really happened. On Thursday, I had Thomas come out to my house and we were working on the 999 car a lot to get it ready for the debut for our new company and team TURNin Motorsports Group. I had to finish a couple of things up on my end (new splitter mounts and get some miscellaneous items done). I knew we found that the clutch stop had gotten pretty close to going through the fire wall, so I spent the afternoon on Thursday getting some custom fabricated plates made up and welded them in. I am no
    15 points
  30. Well finally have sometime to sit down and do a race report. My first Champ Race after Lemons 6 years ago was the 24 Hours of VIR in 2015 so this race has always been special to me. Not only is it at one of the best tracks in the world, it is a TRUE 24 hour race. I have always loved the Challenge of the 24 Hours of Daytona and 24 Hours of LeMans and this is the closest that I can get for now. So with that mind, 2020 gave me a unique opportunity to mount a full assault on the 24 Hour. We decided to enter 3 Cars in 3 different classes. The #12 S2000 in Class B, #716 Blue Boxster in
    15 points
  31. What a rollercoaster of a weekend at Nelson Ledges Road Course with ChampCar Endurance Series. Friday at practice, Violette was doing great. No issues and she has a really fast pace. Saturday's 8 hour race was a heartbreaker. We started in 30th and Mike Smith worked us up to the top 5 pretty quickly. We then get called in for PUY call and sat for 3 minutes. Mike goes back out and starts setting a good pace, but then found the tire wall. We had damage to the splitter and had to fix it with aome zipties. Jeremy went out for the 2nd stint and put in a heck of a fast stint. He made up a lot od ti
    15 points
  32. @Ray Franck please consult with Chisek and Jay before continuing here... it looks like you are about to assert that mixing and matching parts within a platform is OK. You do not want to say this. Please do not say this. Mixing and matching the best parts from different cars within a generation allows for a Frankenstein car to be built which exceeds the performance of any of those factory spec cars. This is not a precedent you want to set.
    15 points
  33. Just got back from Laguna, trying to get caught up. Here is where we are at to the best of my knowledge: Problems from Barber were: -parts approved by text or calls. Solution: we will no longer do this. All future requests for approvals will done through official channels, and be looked at by multiple parties including the TAC. A public log will be posted for all to see. -There are stock parts available for the Boxster that are not GT3 parts. R3R has been made aware and it appears they are not racing with Champcar next season. I would prefer they come back completel
    15 points
  34. I would encourage Mike to take down that video, it does more damage to the series than anything I've read here. The "if you don't like what we're doing..." statement at around 7:05 was a bad look.
    15 points
  35. I made the previous post about impound so I'll go through some of this starting with impound. I probably get the order wrong but you'll get the idea. We get the car in impound. Since there are 3 of us and one just got out of the car, me and Casey jack the car up and take the wheels off. About then I realize I left the logbook in the rv, so I run to get it. I come back, Bill is there for post race interview. We do that. Then Jack Baldwin comes up and asks who was in the car, he wants to talk to him. So we holler for Chris and we have a great discussion about the last 2 hours
    15 points
  36. One thing you guys should consider, impound happens after a long day of racing and is only 30 minutes typically. I drove in the rain first stint and it was very fatiguing for an old guy like me. I fueled the other stops since there are only 3 of us which may not sound like much but hey I ain't as good as I once was. Then we have the last 2 hours of the race my car with Chris Preston in it was racing against a legend Jack Baldwin going toe to toe. I am like hell yeah this is some awesome stuff going on. It was phenomenal racing, I have never been that excited watching my car battle it out.
    15 points
  37. I’m running. Member number 666e30. My platform has one plank and it is to lower the e30 VPI to 150. I expect all the e30 team members to vote for me. Yes, I do accept bribes. No, I will not take a literacy test.
    14 points
  38. Is the middle ground that location where everyone has to follow the rules? I'm happy to compete against teams with deep pockets, if they don't get the rules rewritten for them!
    14 points
  39. For those of you not on the book of faces, I thought this was an extremely well written synopsis: " James Knauss In seriousness, I have enjoyed this series incredibly for a number of years. This weekend appears to have several of us at a crossroads. There appear to be those who see this Corvette as an excellent read of the rules and then there are those who have complaints about A: the actual legality of many attributes of this build, B: how these items were or weren't claimed by the team and the Orwellian way in which Champcar declared this build as legal and not to be qu
    14 points
  40. As a new Champcar team I am very frustrated by the constant rule changes and “interpretations”. The rules and points allowed for our car have changed 4 times in the last 8 months since we started building the car. The rules are insanely complicated and convoluted. There has got to be a way to keep things simple. Champcar has great numbers at most tracks, so it’s obviously working. Stop screwing with it.
    14 points
  41. I am the only employee that has gone to almost every race for the past few years. I get bitched at by a few before the race about our rules. But after the race the vast majority of the people that complained come up to me after the event and say they now understand, that the racing was close and awesome. The maths worked. Most of the issues has to do with car prep (or lack thereof) and driver ability (or lack thereof). I like what we have.
    14 points
  42. We are still moving ahead @SonsOfIrony. As @Team Infiniti mentioned, we are working night and day on PPE gear for over a month now and this has pushed back our development cycle on this product and some other products. We saw a situation where hospitals, first responders, and elder care workers were going to have no supplies and were wholly unprepared. We jumped on the opportunity using our global sourcing network and have been pushing as hard as we can on sourced PPE Gear & locally made PPE Gear. We're doing it at cost and are arranging as many donations as we can as quickly as we can.
    14 points
  43. I think you meant to say "mid season enforcement of an existing rule I had an exemption to...." Trust me, allowing manifolds required to make a swap happen would save me points as well. Seems silly I cannot reuse the stock neon intake when I swap in a taller deck version of the same engine (2.4 swap from 2.0). However this has been a rule for a long time, and I have either eaten the manifold cost or cut huge holes in the hood, moved oem engine location and raised the seat in the car. Unless you have a 240SX and have that level of lobbying power, manifolds that don't fit require poi
    14 points
  44. I’d just like to say it was a fantastic event, a little warmer than Road Atlanta <smile>, but still cold to us lightweights. The East Coast cars made strong statements about their outright speed at the drop of the green Saturday. Our plan was to set a pace and see where we were after ¾ distance. Our conservative strategy paid off-we were able to pass four cars on track in our last stint and we were rewarded with P2. We were running P4 before lunch on Sunday, but alas, it was not meant to be and we eventually lost an oil pump. With regard to the forum chatter, we can comp
    14 points
  45. I think we should just close up all the loopholes and stuff that isn't universal across all makes and models. No special interpretations, no re-using this or that, just a value for the car and a list of stuff that costs points. Anything not on the list gets assigned a value and applies to every use of that part. The fact that there is a debate about being able to run 2 exhaust cams or the way better exhaust manifolds off a different car for free is what is wrong with this series. Way too many rule lawyers and interpretations. If you don't have the two cams the engine came wit
    14 points
  46. Thanks for your post Rich, I feel this clearly communicates a few points that needed to be made. Thanks for your addition Jer. I would like to add: Please consider the things you say here and on the Champcar FB as a representation of the club. There are certain things that cannot be said. Certain language is also not acceptable. The club, as an organization, has to be cautious of some things (think, HR at a job - what would NOT be acceptable to say to another employee). Statements of fact are OK. Criticisms of things that took place are OK. Personal ins
    14 points
  47. Thoughts from a little guy...... 1) It's been 'entertaining' reading this 13 page (so far) thread and the various Facebook threads. Who knew that 'green font'' was even a thing? 2) Sounds like R3R was not on their best behavior this past weekend. 3) Burningham seems like a very cool guy. He's just the kind of folks I like to race with. 4) I'm guessing that everyone involved in this drama wishes they could have a 'do over'. 5) People are going to cheat. Its racing. Get over it. Learn how to race within the rules or learn how to cheat better. Your call. Its been this
    14 points
  48. I hope this is true. If it is, our media needs to stop loving up to the big money coming to the races and feature the little guys in pre race publicity. Just a thought.
    14 points
  49. So, we officially took two cars to a track day at Autobahn Full Course today....believe it or not, both cars had zero issues and drove back on the trailer...this is a first for us in 7 years of racing. I would assume the 11 month hiatus helped to make sure we checked everything many times...on to Gingerman with a list of minor things to attend too.
    13 points
  50. As someone who has put a BUNCH of research into getting a spring to fit my OEM diameter to make what I feel is a bad donkey setup AND have had a tech official ask me specific questions about what the spring was, this really chaps my bottom. Our spring fits both top and bottom perches. The rule could easily say oem diam +/- at both ends. If you only need one end to fit, basically any car that uses a pigtail style coil end can go ahead and use race springs. Ughh. Rules lawyering is all this is. The intent of this rule is clear. And in my opinion the guys coming in with
    13 points
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