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  1. Not sure bout ur seat, but we use Ultrashield.com 1piece aluminum seat and camlock harness. With seat back brace. we mount our seat solid, no sliders. Shorter drivers use yoga pad pieces to space up, taller drivers don’t use the pads. my advice? For all the money you will spend in racing, do NOT skimp on safety. Anything. buy quality seat, harness, cage, fire suppression, racing gear- all the safety stuff. save your money (for now) and do not spend on go-fast stuff (wheels, suspension, motor upgrades, etc) Niki Lauda RIP would tell you the same thing.
  2. Ditto. And because that is true of 90% of us, class wins are all we race for. Jus like Lemans, ALMS, WEC, and so on.
  3. Different teams have different goals. Some race just to compete. Some race to win class. Some race to win overall. The EC question impacts different teams - with different goals - in different ways. I, too, have no issues racing with EC cars. Last race we ran, 4 of 45 cars were EC. They were faster than us, but not scary fast. And we ended up finishing higher overall than all 4 because we didnt have problems. That’s endurance racing. But I have zero issues racing with EC cars. As for the live race timing/scoring and end-of-race results, there are plenty of suggestions: Penalty laps No transponder Changing class structure so all cars have a valid class Adding “EC” to all the team names in timing/scoring/results but starting 100 laps down seems an easy/logical way to solve this. If EC cars “don’t count”, then I’m not sure why there is resistance to that??.
  4. I do, yes. And the 2 other teams I know best, are also keen on class results. Admittedly, that’s 3 of 100s of teams. Starting 6 years ago, our goals were (in order): - Finish a race (done, took us 3 races over a single year) - Consistently finish races without problems (done, took us about 8 races over 3 years) - Win in class (done, 15 or 16 races in, happened for us in 5th year) - Consistently win in class (still working on this one, 6 years in) - Win the overall (hasn’t happened and like 90% of teams, it’s not likely to ever happen - but that doesn’t stop us from trying) So for my team - yes, class results mean a lot.
  5. This has been mentioned before, and at least one other racing series does this already... put it in race officials hands. Put EC cars into classes based on displacement, but give penalty laps based on tech inspection at the race. Just like every other series in the world, race officials get to make that call: If you show up with a highly modified 2010 M3, and race officials rate it as a 1500 point car, you start the race 100 laps down. If you show up with a Mazda NP01 (google it, purpose built tube framed race car - I had to race against one in WRL), and race officials rate it as a 3500 point car (retails new at over $70,000), then you start 300 laps down. That allows everyone that wants to race any car they like, but puts appropriate penalty laps to cars that are not built to the rules. and give officials the right to disqualify any car deemed too fast (or slow even) for ChampCar. Alternatively, fix the classes: Stock - exactly that, and only from the VPI list (which can/should be updated regularly, once every 3 years?) Superstock - VPI listed cars with mods allowed for wheels, suspension, exhaust, and software to stock ECU. No engine swaps. Supercar - VPI listed cars, any and all mods - including engine swaps, aero, and engine mods - allowed. Unlimited - any car, VPI listed or not, with any mods. But give race officials the right to refuse any car deemed “too fast” for safety reasons. Give same class trophies/class wins as we do today. Lets drop the idea that “every class has a chance at winning the overall”. What’s good for WEC, Lemans, Daytona24, and ALMS - should be good for us in ChampCar. Prototype1 cars will always win the overall at Lemans, but the racing for class wins is fierce - even amongst the manufacturers (Porsche, Chevy, Ford, Lamborghini, Audi, BMW). These manufacturers know they have zero chance of winning overall - but they still send teams, spend 10s of millions, racing for class wins and championships. Why can’t that work for us? Stock class would allow for low-cost-of-entry, and could be used by teams to improve their cars if they want faster cars (move up to Superstock with improved suspension, wider wheels, etc.) Teams, if they choose to, could go even faster - swap for bigger motors, or bore/stroke/port/polish/supercharge - with the very same car but now racing in the Supercar class. And finally, if someone wants to race their 911 GT3, let them bring it and race the Unlimited class. Depending on whose driving that 911 GT3, it may or may not be unsafe speed-wise - officials at the track get to make that call. But anyone crazy enough to bring that kind of car to ChampCar - and take a chance of doing 10s of thousands in damage to race with a bunch of mid 90s Miatas - that’s their call. Whats the downside of either of these solutions? Allows everyone a way to start racing with low cost. Allows those that want to spend more to go faster to that - all within the rules. And it welcomes every car/team on the planet to come race ChampCar provided that you are not so fast that you are a danger to other teams. Only thing it changes - and I don’t personally see this as a downside, it’s just different - is this notion that “any car/class can win the overall”. That isn’t true in any other endurance racing series on earth - so why should we care if that change is made here in ChampCar?
  6. Okay, I only used what I could find on RaceHero - cus Speedhive doesn’t list class in the overall standings. And RaceHero is missing about half the races. So all that being said... 48 total races with RaceHero results from Jan 2017 to present (Jun 2019) C won overall 24 times, 50% - nearly all BMWs. VPI for most BMWs is around 400, so not a lot of room to mod and stay within rules. A won overall 10 times, 21% - nearly all Miatas. VPI is 250 or 300 for 90s models, so more room to mod and still stay under 500. EC won overall 6 times, 13% - (I know, EC doesn’t count, but they show up in results so I recorded them) different makes. B won overall 4 times, 8% - different makes D won overall 4 times, 8% - different makes No one tells us what car to build. Full disclosure, I race a B class car. But if we want everyone with close to the same skills and experience to have a shot at the overall win (I said “if”, maybe not everyone agrees), I have already petitioned a VPI change: Leave BMW and Miata right where they are - they are doing just fine - those teams don’t have to change anything. But reduce the VPI of every other car in the list by (I proposed) 75 points. See if that allows a bit more B and D wins. It will never be totally even, but it’s clear that C, for sure, and A, somewhat - are gapping the field.
  7. Could someone with easy access to race results data (can harvest from Speedhive, but only one race at a time - painful when I have to be working on my race car), could you please post - say over all Champ races in 2017 and 18, which class won overall at each every race, and the year/make/model of every class winner at every race? Maybe I will go try to dig out this data...
  8. No, no spectators. Jus like ChampCar - friends and family of the racers were the only spectators. im jus asking what sponsors are doing for us racers? - entry fees are going up. How much more would they increase without sponsors? - allow Champ races at some world class tracks. That great if you can haul to those tracks. But in my case, I live 30min from CoTA but Champ doesn’t race there because of cost. Would we not be racing Daytona, Watkins Glen, etc. if we didn’t have TireRack onboard? not bashing sponsors here - at all. Heck, I was a TireRack Customer before they were onboard with Champ. And I like the idea that sponsors can help all of those, not jus the winners. something like: TireRack have a twice per year 25% off sale for all ChampCar racers? 4 tires for the price of 3. i don’t know what margins are for TireRack, but if they can make money on this, use tire reviews from racers on their site, have tech spots on the ChampCar YouTube channel, etc. benefit all racers, but use in return the publicity, reviews, and tech info to sell more tires to non-racers. maybe this works better with specific tire brands: Dunlop vs Nitto vs Falken vs...
  9. Back when I was young and foolish, I raced motorcycles. And sponsorship in motorcycle racing meant that the sponsor(s) paid the racers. Racers bought their products and raced with them, ran with sponsors decals, talked them up in post race interviews, thanked them online. Sponsors paid either cash, or parts, or credits toward parts, or product. As a racer, you had to win (or at least podium), have the correct sponsor decals, and then you got paid. TireRack is doing this somewhat this year - giving 10 sets of tires away at selected events. But could Champ work other contingency deals? Some examples: - the Rock Auto ChampCar B class: get a $100 gift certificate to the B class winner at every event (must have min of 5 cars in class) Could have different class sponsors for each class. - the Chase.com ChampCar Endurance Series: $500 for 1st overall, $250 for 2nd, $100 for 3rd (min of 30 cars entered) For the record, my team has never been even close to winning an overall - but you get the idea. - the Dunlop ChampCar C class sponsor: win C class on Dunlop tires while sporting Dunlop decals, and you win a set of Dunlop tires. Or credits toward buying Dunlop tires. (No, I don’t run Dunlop tires - but you get the idea.) Has ChampCar tried anything like this? Have the sponsors pay (cash, or parts, credits?) the racers.
  10. Im not against EC cars, I’m not. Heck, I’ve raced other series in my Champ car were everything I raced against would be EC (WRL). But EC cars should not be included in the results. Just trying to suggest a way to make that happen. I checked last 4 Champ races. Only 10% of the cars were EC, and entry makes up only about 25% of my overall cost each race. Tires, fuel, oil, brakes, maintenance, travel, towing... all that makes up the other 75%. Number of cars on the grid has never changed my entry fees - up nor down - but if it did, it would be minimal compared to all the other costs.
  11. Couldn’t we jus not put a transponder on the EC cars? Not timed, not scored, no placement. Results would show only the cars with transponders.
  12. Oh, and officials get to refuse any entry at entry time. if someone says “I’m bringing last year’s Lemans overall winner to your next Champ race”, our club officials should say “no”. Or that new Mustang, or that tube-framed roadracer, or... We can, and should, say “no” to entries that are not aligned with the spirit of our club. That includes “sponsors” - love them, support them with product purchases, but don’t give them automatic entry.
  13. I had similar suggestion on the “what to do about EC” thread, but with 4 classes Stock - OE parts only on VPI listed cars Superstock - stock/OE plus aftermarket wheels, exhaust, suspension on VPI listed cars Supercar - superstock plus engine swaps, aero, etc. on VPI lsted cars Unlimited - we tech u for safety, and that’s all. No other questions asked. Doesn’t have to be on VPI list. Displacement not a consideration, hands out same number of trophies, keeps low cost of entry for new teams (stock), gives teams a way to keep investment while moving up to (presumably)faster classes, allows everyone a place on the grid (if you’re silly enough to bring your new M3 to race my beat-to-hell 20 yr old Audi - good luck), everyone still racing for the overall, but classes actually mean something. would Unlimited likely win the overall most of the time? Yes, yes it would. Just like LMP1 almost always wins Lemans. would class wins be more meaningful? Yes, yes they would. Just like Lemans.
  14. Thanks, MostMint - I stand corrected - looks like we have had D win overall. It’s rare, but it has happened.
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