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  1. i think i am about to push reload and build the boxster for Champ Car......
  2. i could not agree with you more on the mission statement. i do not think you can define the dimensions in the subsequent sentence in the structure of the current rule set in a way that doesn't lead you right back to where things are today. but that's just my opinion.
  3. no disrespect, but i think you are too far down in the weeds. i'm not talking about the granular points, i'm trying to get to the practicality of the rule set.
  4. i think you just made my point on my assertion re strategic statement of the rule system
  5. ya, or use S-Glass. but really at this point the cost diff between CF and S-Glass is trivial. kinda like cost diff between the H&R springs/Billies and my coil-overs for e30, which is to say close to 0....
  6. Don't think its the individual piece parts per-se. I think its a continuum of: 1) The granularity of the strip process of the donor car (i.e. do you strip to unibody and replace every fastener coming back up? I did this with my e30, a non-trivial exercise...) 2) Replace/rework existing systems on the chassis. the only part of the oem fuel system on e30 is the tank, *everything* else is different. The brake system above the rotors is 100% different from OEM. It has coilovers with camber plates (to include the condor e30 specific rear adjusters for the TA's). Every bushing on the car is Delrin, and the guibo is the revshift one. I mean I hit everything. 3) Electrical: I threw everything away, and I mean everything. It has a motec PDM and AEM ECU, with multiple tunes. There were drivers for this: reliability and weight, in that order. 4) Motor. some can be made better reasonably, some can't. the first pass of mods i did on the M20 probably bought another ~15-20hp. meh. The next pass made it insane (but this was pricey, there's easily 10k in that motor at this point). 5) Optimization. You can make CF body panels very easily. Room temp pre-preg is cheap and the process is *dirt simple*. (I think the tape thing is ridiculous if that's actually what the boxster people are doing for body panels.). The panels is next on the list for the e30. But even after all of that, there's prob at least another 18-24 months to fully develop the car as we are just now diving in for real after a year of it basically sitting (which is a criminal offense). This is where I agree with @Grant on key dimension: setup. If you do all these things I mentioned above in list, then the investment is high. I'm into the e30 for easily 50k at this point and I think when you look across the spectrum of CC teams there are lots of them at this investment level on their build, some winning, some not. When I started the e30, I had a vision / idea of what it meant to build a race car. That vision/idea was really at odds with the CC rules. I went back and forth on whether or not to commit to the rule or just build what I really wanted to build. The deciding factor was when I was building the fuel system and CC changed the book like twice in a short space of time which flushed a bunch of hours of effort on my part in the garage. That was also a bad flashback on past life experiences with rules systems in another sport and I just bailed on CC and built what I wanted to at that point, reorienting on WRL. That event for me seems apropos other threads on BCCR, so to close out: I've opined on the CC rules for a while. Straight-up I don't like them, too nit-picky. I think they are trying to please too many masters and when you have dealt with handicapping systems in competition you know none are perfect, and this one is now distorted in a really bad way (which ends badly). Reasonable people can disagree on the structure of handicapping systems, but one thing is for sure, you will never please everyone. The best you can do is to very, very clearly define the strategic objectives of the rule system and structure the rule-set appropriately. I think this is where the gap is currently in CC, at least i.m.h.o.
  7. do you know if they run the full spec B suspension setup (x the coilover package of course)?
  8. ok, i guess, if you really really gut everything, cut off stuff like the door window frame, do S-Glass for door panels, hood, trunk, and sunroof cover...also cut out the rear seat area back panel (but that means you have to go fuel cell with internal surge tank and wall that off, so like net 50% weight reduction for that panel).....then maybe?
  9. but now i'm hi-jacking this thread.....apologies....i just needed a little moral support after the bad news / more money requirement....lol
  10. i think the only thing we haven't done to that motor is a WBTB, or ITB's. I've been told ITB's really don't buy you much past what we've done. I'm tempted to add the WBTB though. there's attention to detail with the motor too, things like Jet-Hot'd headers, thick carbon fiber gasket between head and intake manifold...etc. there's way too much money in that motor, its just silly, but again.....you have to feel it.....
  11. yes, its totally built (so all the engine bits, plus cam sensor, coil on plug etc..) and is soooo awesome......you should hear it.....it sounds like an xfinity car with the exhaust currently on there.... as i've mentioned in another thread here, we totally went stupid on this motor, but man-o-man i love it....
  12. well crap, bad afternoon at the garage. new injectors installed and a re-tune on the dyno. good news: topped out at 254whp/257tq. bad news: either the clutch or the pressure plate appears to have failed at a lower power run and it grenaded the bell housing (i got a text with a nice photo of cast aluminum fragments scattered around the dyno).... sheesh.....
  13. as an e30 *and* boxster owner: damn dude, that's hurtful!!!
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