2014 Chumpionship VIR- VIDEO

[chip]

Let's see them-

I'll start it off-

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYexHeChU_0&list=UU0sGU3lmi2Jy1SspueBYmBg

 

[Justin Andress]

Was that another red E30 one finger wave I just saw?

[Farran05]

Maybe it was an "I hope you had a great Thanksgiving, don't worry about cutting me off. Happy Holidays" wave. 

[Trukk]

Yikes, I'm at a client site, and can't look at youtube....you guys aren't talking about the 335 e30 are you?

 

There are too many red e30's!

 

-Chris

[Justin Andress]

Not yours Chris.

 

Ronalds APPEARS to be giving Bill a super sized your number one gesture.

 

I'm glad we wrapped our red E30 green as I fear the profiling of all red E30's

[Trukk]

LOL,

 

I may need to talk to you about a star spangled wrap then

 

-Chris

[mender]

So let me get this straight: it's the first lap of a 14 hour race on a wet track; the yellow MR2 slides, catches it and continues on, then the video car tries to dive to the apex but can't even get close to completing a Chump sanctioned pass - and the driver gives Bill the finger?!?

 

And then posts the video.

 

Edit: my bad, was going by Shultz' comment. It was a friendly wave, can see it in your rear view mirror. My apologies.

[skidmark]

That was me in the car and just to be clear, I DID NOT give Bill the one-finger salute.  I made a palm up gesture and said, "What the f*#% Bill!"  I also was pleased to pass Bill not only that time but at least 3 more times during that first stint which was especially gratifying given Bill's statements the previous day about what an excellent rain racer he is and blah blah blah.  Anyway, Bill and I cleared it up later as he admitted it wasn't a very smart move on the 2nd corner of the 1st lap. 

 

Thanks to everyone who gave the 'hands car' some room as we were making good use of the conditions on Saturday.  Once again, the Ronald's Racers E30 wasn't the fastest car in the dry but we executed well in the wet and our strategy paid off in the end.

[chip]

So let me get this straight: it's the first lap of a 14 hour race on a wet track; the yellow MR2 slides, catches it and continues on, then the video car tries to dive to the apex but can't even get close to completing a Chump sanctioned pass - and the driver gives Bill the finger?!?

 

And then posts the video.

So then giving each other racing room doesn't happen where you race either?

 

There are multiple lines thru the kink and both cars should have maintained there line, but Bill did try and block us some.  No harm, no foul, and no finger- it was a wave- you can ask Bill. 

[skidmark]

So let me get this straight: it's the first lap of a 14 hour race on a wet track; the yellow MR2 slides, catches it and continues on, then the video car tries to dive to the apex but can't even get close to completing a Chump sanctioned pass - and the driver gives Bill the finger?!?

 

And then posts the video.

 

Seriously?  Look at the video again.  I was more than along side the MR2 and had a clean pass.  I gave up the corner *only* because the MR2 was moving over on me.  Bill later admitted that he saw me and shouldn't have made that move.  Please, no one but me and Bill saw my hand and it was a palm up gesture, not the finger.  Please be careful with such wreckless comments.

 

By the way, it was a 16-hour race and we won it!

[Jer]

Chip, that video really demonstrates how slick it was out there.  You guys and the WW Miata were flyin!  I think the MR2 just hand his hands full and wasn't looking in his mirrors because of it.  usually they're totally clean.  Fun times!  I'll try to post one or two tonight. 

[Jer]

Oh, and in case anyone cared, in a gazillion races we've never ever had a problem with Simon Says, Ron's Racers, Strong Motorsports, TCR, Brickhouse, etc etc.  There are so many great, clean, well -driven cars out there it's much easier to compile a list of the cars we don't like.  Not going to do that, but there was only one or two drivers out there I thought were behaving poorly.  And it wasn't so bad that I'm going to post a video or anything. 

[gsmith2424]

Chip, that video really demonstrates how slick it was out there.  You guys and the WW Miata were flyin!  I think the MR2 just hand his hands full and wasn't looking in his mirrors because of it.  usually they're totally clean.  Fun times!  I'll try to post one or two tonight.

It was a pro in the WW car at the time and he is one of the best in the rain. He even put a Spec E30 on pole at Road Atlanta in the wet on cut (dry weather) RA-1's while everyone else was on full tread tires.

[Seefo]

Very nice of that e30 to get out of your way in the lower esses.

[Jer]

That was exactly where I wadded up our bimmer later Saturday afternoon.  

[chip]

The WW Miata had a couple of fast drivers- I surrendered the lead during my stint on Saturday.  I think I went out with about a 1 lap lead only to bring the car back down 1 at the end.  I just needed to give our next driver something to aim for.

 

But I think I passed that yellow MR2 at least 3 times. 

[Bill Strong]

I think it is video trickery.

 

Ya, we discussed this before the race where I said I was the Ayrton Senna of the MR2 world in the rain. I might have stretched the truth just a tiny bit.

 

Its all good. We have been racing together for a long time. I knew he would let off for that corner. and he did. Plus as greasy as it was I was not going to get off line fore that corners with 300 hunks of Chumps behind us. 

Perry and I discussed this after the stints. And we agreed I was in the wrong. But I would most likely do the same thing again.

 

And yes, I counted three times that he passed me. I was not happy. And with my new chassis, that will NOT happen again.

[mender]

So then giving each other racing room doesn't happen where you race either?

 

There are multiple lines thru the kink and both cars should have maintained there line, but Bill did try and block us some.  No harm, no foul, and no finger- it was a wave- you can ask Bill. 

 

Seriously?  Look at the video again.  I was more than along side the MR2 and had a clean pass.  I gave up the corner *only* because the MR2 was moving over on me.  Bill later admitted that he saw me and shouldn't have made that move.  Please, no one but me and Bill saw my hand and it was a palm up gesture, not the finger.  Please be careful with such wreckless comments.

 

By the way, it was a 16-hour race and we won it!

I'm going by the Chump rules, which essentially state that the car you're passing isn't passed until you're a car length ahead. A "clean pass" by that definition means that the car being passed can't physically move over, cut down, block, squeeze, chop your nose, etc. because you're one car length ahead of them.

 

Is this video more typical of what is allowed in most regions? Any difference because of the Chumpionship? I know the Chump definition is a bit idealistic but I've been abiding by that, would just like to get an idea of what generally goes on outside of the PNW which is the only region I've run Chump in. I've passed up easy opportunities to make sure that I was within the definition.

 

Congrats on the win!

[Jer]

I have a clip on my home computer of the Miata power drifting the top Saturday morning.  I was impressed and you will see that in my vid; I'll post it up tonight. At first I was appalled to be passed by a Miata in the wet.  Like, our other car is a Miata and SUX in the wet, so I could not believe I was getting walked by a stinkin Miata!  But watching it move across the top, I couldn't help but grin and give the deserved kudos.  At least he only passed me once in the rain haha. 

[chip]

We're all clear on these passing rules.  Even though these rules don't align with most other organization passing rules.

Bill's car is much faster in a straight line and basically ran down the car and then moved over.

 

I think what you have in the east are plenty of great race drivers that may use a variation of passing rules from Chump and other organizations while competing.  It's all good, and as Bill stated he was in the wrong.  I guess he was thinking of another set of rules when he made this statement.

 

I just wish that more drivers were comfortable with actually driving side by side thru turns.

[mender]

I just wish that more drivers were comfortable with actually driving side by side thru turns.

I agree; I've done open wheel road course (no touch) and short oval stock cars (always leaning on someone) and really enjoy head-to-head racing in both extremes.

 

The racing moments I remember most are the ones running inches apart from a driver that I know and trust as we assault the corners.

[csadn]

 

I just wish that more drivers were comfortable with actually driving side by side thru turns.

They are -- esp. when there's a safety vehicle in the corner....

[Farran05]

Speaking of Safety Vehicles.  When Mike's big red truck pulled onto the track around noon on Sunday it almost wiped out 3 of us.  I was in the Audi and had just passed Ronalds Racers to get another lap back when the big red truck pulls out.  Team Constitutionalist 335 was directly in front of us and hit the brakes to slow down for the truck, My first thought was I'm going to get a lap back, my second thought is holy crap I'm going to destroy both cars, the 205, and truck. Phew, it worked out!    Then exiting 2 Ronalds blows by again after realizing there wasn't a full course caution but rather the lunch mobile was making its tour to the corner workers.  The chase was back on, Good times!

[enginerd]

We're all clear on these passing rules.  Even though these rules don't align with most other organization passing rules.

Bill's car is much faster in a straight line and basically ran down the car and then moved over.

 

I think what you have in the east are plenty of great race drivers that may use a variation of passing rules from Chump and other organizations while competing.  It's all good, and as Bill stated he was in the wrong.  I guess he was thinking of another set of rules when he made this statement.

 

There's nothing ambiguous about the rules:

 

7.6.2.3 It is the responsibility of the overtaking car to prepare for, plan and execute a FULL

and COMPLETE safe pass. The definition of a full and complete pass is when the

overtaking car has extended a lead of approximately one car length ahead of the

vehicle being passed. 

 

So, according to the BCCR, that was still Bill's corner

 

HOWEVER,

 

There is no part of that rule which is enforced in ChumpCar in any region.

 

Which brings me to the point of my post... rules which aren't enforced shouldn't be rules at all.... unless they serve the purpose of getting ChumpCar into a lower medical / liability insurance bracket.

[dogtired]

We don't need no stinkin rulz. ..