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Welcome to the 2015 Central Region Chumpionship! (Which I am hereby unofficially renaming as the First Frost 5,000,000.)


It's been a GREAT year with all of you, and we can't wait to see you again in 2016!


 


But enough of the filler, it's time for the meat.  That being the case, here are your official results:


 


1st: Team McQueen


2nd:  Spartan Racing


3rd:  JSK Racing


 


Results:  https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-XhNgXfcWhgTVY5UzBLVE40ajQ/view?usp=sharing


Lap Times: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-XhNgXfcWhgMXZ2V2RtbUZCcG8/view?usp=sharing


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Team McQueen...who would have thought.

Yep. Another clear example of problems with the MPV table, and swap math/ value paperwork.

There were a number of very quick E30's with E36 engine swaps, running without penalties.

These were nothing compared to the swapped Team McQueen that was many seconds faster than the next fastest car, again they started without penalties.

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Had the E36 325/323's covered though, 6 penalty laps was the perfect amount to keep them fully off the podium despite running clean all weekend :D

Lots of happy customers in impound when they tried to protest and were told that hubs and axles were now part of 2x on the 240, and that the swapped trans and diff were probably "that way when they bought the car" so not illegal. Protest upheld on the E30 for M3 bushings though, those cheaty bastages. I've never heard so many disgruntled chumps during awards, could barely hear Mike over everyone grumbling about various injustices. Performance: leveled.

Good racing with you Richard, as well as everyone else! Staff and everyone working the race did a great job as always, it was just disappointing to see racers doing their job of self-tech and getting shot down. I do like the McQueen team though, they're a great bunch of guys, the car merely highlights flaws with the system. They're talking about heading to Vegas in 2 weeks and at this point I hope that they do, as it'd be a hilarious to see them take the triple crown with the car that so clearly epitomizes the new "Spirit of Chumpcar".

See you all in 2016!

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Protest upheld on the E30 for M3 bushings though, those cheaty bastages.

Were they solid bushing?  Or "stock" rubber?  I would think if they were solid, and they claimed with the $25 upgrade that the m3 bushing would be legal.  But I would understand if they went with rubber, then the m3 would not be stock and should be claimed.

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Thanks Mike M, Brock, Chris and staff. Thanks to the corner workers and volunteers. The Road America Safety is the best I have seen at any track, they helped put the fire out on my Honda Friday and were top notch all weekend. 


 


I drove Enginerd's car this weekend and it was a great time as usual. I had some great battles with Spartan, Bogiemen, Slugworks, etc. 


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Had a great time working the pits this weekend. Always fun watching things unfold. Road America was hungry as usual eating several cars and consuming numerous motors. I was feeling bad for all the teams that were leaving with wounded warriors. Plenty of cold weather coming to get them fixed.

If the Mqueen car is what the Chief Chumps want the standard of speed to be, I'm a little afraid, and really glad that there are classes to race in. We can still take our poky little Miata out and have fun competing in A class. (When the magical fuel mileage 318 is not there)

The 240 would have had 40mph on us on the straights at RA. Wow.

Keep in mind, they just won a 16 hour race against what we all thought were good and fast teams. They won this race, and were towed out of the kitty litter in turn 5 and had to change a radiator in the pits. So if nothing goes wrong for them they can come in, park the car and take the whole team to lunch and then go back and finish kicking everyone's butt.

We had a great time, and thanks to all the teams that showed us gratitude for being there to work pit lane. It was like a bunch a great people got together and a race broke out.

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Had a great time working the pits this weekend. Always fun watching things unfold. Road America was hungry as usual eating several cars and consuming numerous motors. I was feeling bad for all the teams that were leaving with wounded warriors. Plenty of cold weather coming to get them fixed.

If the Mqueen car is what the Chief Chumps want the standard of speed to be, I'm a little afraid, and really glad that there are classes to race in. We can still take our poky little Miata out and have fun competing in A class. (When the magical fuel mileage 318 is not there)

The 240 would have had 40mph on us on the straights at RA. Wow.

Keep in mind, they just won a 16 hour race against what we all thought were good and fast teams. They won this race, and were towed out of the kitty litter in turn 5 and had to change a radiator in the pits. So if nothing goes wrong for them they can come in, park the car and take the whole team to lunch and then go back and finish kicking everyone's butt.

We had a great time, and thanks to all the teams that showed us gratitude for being there to work pit lane. It was like a bunch a great people got together and a race broke out.

Thank you for donating your time and working on pit road this weekend, it was nice talking with  you guys.   JSK

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Protest upheld on the E30 for M3 bushings though, those cheaty bastages.

Were they solid bushing?  Or "stock" rubber?  I would think if they were solid, and they claimed with the $25 upgrade that the m3 bushing would be legal.  But I would understand if they went with rubber, then the m3 would not be stock and should be claimed.

E30 with M50 swap + homemade offset delrin control arm bushings

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Had the E36 325/323's covered though, 6 penalty laps was the perfect amount to keep them fully off the podium despite running clean all weekend :D

Lots of happy customers in impound when they tried to protest and were told that hubs and axles were now part of 2x on the 240, and that the swapped trans and diff were probably "that way when they bought the car" so not illegal. Protest upheld on the E30 for M3 bushings though, those cheaty bastages. I've never heard so many disgruntled chumps during awards, could barely hear Mike over everyone grumbling about various injustices. Performance: leveled.

Good racing with you Richard, as well as everyone else! Staff and everyone working the race did a great job as always, it was just disappointing to see racers doing their job of self-tech and getting shot down. I do like the McQueen team though, they're a great bunch of guys, the car merely highlights flaws with the system. They're talking about heading to Vegas in 2 weeks and at this point I hope that they do, as it'd be a hilarious to see them take the triple crown with the car that so clearly epitomizes the new "Spirit of Chumpcar".

See you all in 2016!

That car is legal, we all were told that here.  It is 100% legal, all of the values are correct, especially the ones decided by tech like the cost of the hubs, spindles, half shafts, the fact the vin says its an automatic, the diff that "probably was there when they bought it", the assortment of coolers, etc...  Tech cannot be responsible to know everything about every car out there, who cars if the protesting team has an intimate knowledge of said car, doesn't matter.  This is same tech that says a header is worth 50 pts, the same as swapping in an entire motor.  If anyone has issues with that, well tough, they didn't pick your car or tell you you couldn't spend 20k and lawyer rules and get what appears to be special favors on values of arbitrary parts like a whole front and rear suspension swap to make your brake swap work.

 

In all seriousness, wicked fast and cool car with great drivers and an amazing budget. 

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Lots of happy customers in impound when they tried to protest and were told that hubs and axles were now part of 2x on the 240, and that the swapped trans and diff were probably "that way when they bought the car" so not illegal.

Really? Confused on these points. 1st if the trans wasn't an option on the car who cares if they found it that way. Same with diff. Both are charges in swap math per the rules. Hubs had a price in the 2015 rules are we now under 2016 rules? Hubs were removed from FPV. 4.8.1.2.2 says they will be checked and not a safety item so where is 2x coming from? Diff rule in 4.6.7.3 defined in section non oem is points. It does include drive axles those. The axles themselves are claimed in swap math not FPV parts per 4.6.3.1 (can't penalize twices).

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Funny, I took a glance at race monitor yesterday late afternoon and lol'd at the thought of chumpcar forums exlpoding this morning.


 


So what's next? 240SX get's an MPV bump to 450 or even 500?


 


Nothing wrong with the system, carry on...

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First off we had a great time at Road America, so thank you to the racers and staff for being so cool! Last time we were here we were running a 4 cyclinder in our "Cheaper than Golf" Rustang. This time around we had v8 that I recentlly replaced all the seals on. The motor was strong all weekend, but we had an issue with the speedo plug in our transmission. It popped out early. Even after we capped it off, I think we kept losing fluid. Which is why I think the transmission locked up with 90mins left on Saturday. We swapped in our extra trasmission Saturday night, day 2 was way better. No issues besides a one meat ball flag. When we were by our self on the track we could get our lap times around the 3:16 mark. But wow, everyone was so quick this race! Everyone on our team never wanted to hold anyone up so we always tried to give you the best line and point you by. I can admit that is feels sort of sickening when driving this american powered V8 down one of the long streaches and you get passed by neon... A freakn' NEON, really!!! HAHA! Oh well, we did enjoy racing this weekend and we look forward to seeing everyone again next year.


 


We did reach our team goal, top half running order. We finished 32nd! So that is a victory for us!


 


I kinda wish we had a running order for both days? I liked how we ran the spring race was run as 2 races. Anyone have a run down per day?  Because I think we did way better on day 2.


 


In case you missed it, we were live streaming all weekend, you can check out the archive video here: http://bambuser.com/channel/bromance


 


Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Bromance-Racing-1547659225503562/


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Happy to get the chance to give our car one final test on a track that seems to be insanely hard on cars. 


 


Loved my battles with chump faces (the brakes on that thing are OUTRAGEOUS), the realtime guys (have never seen a better handling honder), the firebird, and the E30 that had a freakish amount of power (the one with the m50 swap and apparently M3 bushings). 


 


Personal best of 2:52.4, lifting at about 75% of the way down every main straight. More things to work on!


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Funny, I took a glance at race monitor yesterday late afternoon and lol'd at the thought of chumpcar forums exlpoding this morning.

 

So what's next? 240SX get's an MPV bump to 450 or even 500?

 

Nothing wrong with the system, carry on...

The problem isn't the mpv of the 240, that is fine, this particular car is not a 240 by anything more than the body panels.  Really like the idea of revaluing crazy swap cars to reflect the actual performance value of the car post swap.

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We had a fantastic time this weekend despite almost not even making it to the track due to the tow vehicle barfing out all of its vital fluids, and the traditional overnight transaxle swap. We must have found some magic because each driver (and I was the only one that had driven the car before Saturday) was able to best our fastest lap in the spring race. Our fastest lap was a 3:05.502, pretty damn good for a car that turned a fast lap of 3:27 just a couple of years ago.


 


I have to give shout outs to a bunch of people so here we go:


  • All of the RA corner workers and safety crews- top notch work as always you guys are far and away the best I've experienced!
  • ChumpCar staff and volunteers- you guys seem to always keep your sense of humor no matter what is burning down around you. 
  • The guys at RealTime, or is it EmitLear? I can never tell. Thanks for the gear lube- it must have been a special batch because the second transaxle went the distance Sunday and never grunched once. An unbelievable performance.
  • Steve, Mike and Brynn- even though you all had the unmitigated gall to beat the car owner at his own game, thank you for showing me the car's potential. Maybe I'm not as good as I think I am!
  • Burt "BS" Levy- Thanks for the entertainment, your help in getting the car ready for Sunday, packing up, taking car of the volunteers and most of all for not breaking the car!
  • Dead Pedal racing- thanks for your part in showing Italian reliability is not an oxymoron!
  • All of you other drivers- Strong work out there, I drove three stints and never saw an act of asshattery, all of my other drivers reported the same.

Well back to unloading the trailer and waiting for the shop to call about the tow vehicle. See ya'll next year.


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Was there a DOV penalty applied to this race after PIRC?

There fast lap was only a bit more than a second faster than the next best car.

The Spartan Car, which is an E36 4cyl was 7.5 seconds slower and still managed second. So I outright speed is being too heavily criticized. Their car (Spartan) is extremely well driven. I have witnessed them doing nothing but dialing in the alignment the Friday before the last 2 MIS races and their tire wear at Gingerman was as even as I've ever seen on a race car. Someone in a previous post brought up their magical fuel mileage. I don't know how this weekend was, but at Gingerman they were only fueling every other driver change. I saw them go through inspection at MIS and if I remember correctly they have a 22 gallon Jaz fuel cell that the owner told me he put displacement blocks in. Not to call them out or start the next great debate, but has anyone ever had to do more than just tell Tech we have an XX gallon fuel cell and our original tank capacity was XX -2?

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Was there a DOV penalty applied to this race after PIRC?

There fast lap was only a bit more than a second faster than the next best car.

The Spartan Car, which is an E36 4cyl was 7.5 seconds slower and still managed second. So I outright speed is being too heavily criticized. Their car (Spartan) is extremely well driven. I have witnessed them doing nothing but dialing in the alignment the Friday before the last 2 MIS races and their tire wear at Gingerman was as even as I've ever seen on a race car. Someone in a previous post brought up their magical fuel mileage. I don't know how this weekend was, but at Gingerman they were only fueling every other driver change. I saw them go through inspection at MIS and if I remember correctly they have a 22 gallon Jaz fuel cell that the owner told me he put displacement blocks in. Not to call them out or start the next great debate, but has anyone ever had to do more than just tell Tech we have an XX gallon fuel cell and our original tank capacity was XX -2?

 

DOV does not matter at a Chumpionship.

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Was there a DOV penalty applied to this race after PIRC?

There fast lap was only a bit more than a second faster than the next best car.

The Spartan Car, which is an E36 4cyl was 7.5 seconds slower and still managed second. So I outright speed is being too heavily criticized. Their car (Spartan) is extremely well driven. I have witnessed them doing nothing but dialing in the alignment the Friday before the last 2 MIS races and their tire wear at Gingerman was as even as I've ever seen on a race car. Someone in a previous post brought up their magical fuel mileage. I don't know how this weekend was, but at Gingerman they were only fueling every other driver change. I saw them go through inspection at MIS and if I remember correctly they have a 22 gallon Jaz fuel cell that the owner told me he put displacement blocks in. Not to call them out or start the next great debate, but has anyone ever had to do more than just tell Tech we have an XX gallon fuel cell and our original tank capacity was XX -2?

That car was fueling every ~3.5hrs or so..... At Gingerman they fueled once I believe in the 8hr race each day.  Just the savings there in time will net you a few laps.

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Funny, I took a glance at race monitor yesterday late afternoon and lol'd at the thought of chumpcar forums exlpoding this morning.

 

So what's next? 240SX get's an MPV bump to 450 or even 500?

 

Nothing wrong with the system, carry on...

The problem isn't the mpv of the 240, that is fine, this particular car is not a 240 by anything more than the body panels.  Really like the idea of revaluing crazy swap cars to reflect the actual performance value of the car post swap.

 

 

Oh believe me, i know the base MPV of the 240 is not the problem... ;)

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Was there a DOV penalty applied to this race after PIRC?

There fast lap was only a bit more than a second faster than the next best car.

The Spartan Car, which is an E36 4cyl was 7.5 seconds slower and still managed second. So I outright speed is being too heavily criticized. Their car (Spartan) is extremely well driven. I have witnessed them doing nothing but dialing in the alignment the Friday before the last 2 MIS races and their tire wear at Gingerman was as even as I've ever seen on a race car. Someone in a previous post brought up their magical fuel mileage. I don't know how this weekend was, but at Gingerman they were only fueling every other driver change. I saw them go through inspection at MIS and if I remember correctly they have a 22 gallon Jaz fuel cell that the owner told me he put displacement blocks in. Not to call them out or start the next great debate, but has anyone ever had to do more than just tell Tech we have an XX gallon fuel cell and our original tank capacity was XX -2?

 

It's SUPER easy to tech displacement blocks, happy to show anyone who wants to see them. 

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