KDJones2000 Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 (edited) I took the time today to updated the Chumpcar entry in Wikipedia. I added the 2017 schedule (formerly it was the 2015 one!), and put in some stuff about the new CEO, updated the "mission statement", updated about the split of the Canadian organization, and maybe a couple other minor things. Let me know if I missed anything. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ChumpCar Edited January 5, 2017 by KDJones2000 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikiel Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 GREAT JOB, Keith! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetalFusionSpeedZB Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 Still has the old Optima logo, but regardless great job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Bill Strong Posted January 5, 2017 Administrators Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 I tried changing it, but I still don't understand Wiki rules and the way it handles copyright issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDJones2000 Posted January 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 Yeah, it's not obvious what agreement was used in the first place to put that image on Wikipedia. It seems that if the image is placed there, it is no longer a copyrighted image? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theamsoilguy Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 How come it does not list the Canadian schedule in the wiki document. I know where to look for it but to help grow the brand it wouldn't hurt...I use wiki and I am Canadian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDJones2000 Posted January 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 Well, no one is stopping you from putting that schedule in Where is the schedule? If I have some time I will add it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron_e Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 Has the 2017 Canadian schedule been posted... other than a thread on the forum? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shields8 Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Ron_e said: Has the 2017 Canadian schedule been posted... other than a thread on the forum? Has it been posted on the forum apart from hearsay? NVM see it now. Edited January 5, 2017 by shields8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Bill Strong Posted January 5, 2017 Administrators Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 3 hours ago, KDJones2000 said: Yeah, it's not obvious what agreement was used in the first place to put that image on Wikipedia. It seems that if the image is placed there, it is no longer a copyrighted image? yep. and that scares me. It is copyrighted and trademarked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Posted January 6, 2017 Report Share Posted January 6, 2017 (edited) 10 hours ago, KDJones2000 said: Yeah, it's not obvious what agreement was used in the first place to put that image on Wikipedia. If it's on Wikimedia, then there ought to be something on the image to indicate the purported license. It may or may not have been licensed for use at the time by ChumpCar. Quote It seems that if the image is placed there, it is no longer a copyrighted image? That's certainly not the case---a copyright violation does not render an image no longer copyrighted. It's possible that ChumpCar's ability to defend against violations would be diminished if they don't aggressively pursue all known violations, but I'm not a lawyer so I couldn't say for sure. To my knowledge, that's the worst that would happen. Edited January 6, 2017 by Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDJones2000 Posted January 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2017 Craig, you understand my point I think. Placing the image there is a copyright violation. If you read the terms of agreement for posting an image wikimedia, it states that any image posted is freely available, which this one is not. If Chumpcar doesn't enforce their copyright, then it weakens their case for the copyright on that image. So it doesn't automatically "remove" the copyright, but it does weaken it. BTW: The 3 Canadian events have now been added to the schedule... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Bill Strong Posted January 6, 2017 Administrators Report Share Posted January 6, 2017 Canada... thats the thing... ChumpCar Canada is a completely separate company. They have nothing to do with the USA ChumpCar company. In fact, I believe that due to the nature of the structure of the company, that we are not allowed to have agreements with overseas (Outside the USA) companies. I will have to have the CCWS Board of Directors look at this and make the decision as to what can be posted in the Wiki. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDJones2000 Posted January 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2017 Bill, remember that the wiki is outside of CCWS's purview. The original entry HAD to be done by someone outside of Chumpcar (A member of a team did it, as I recall). I don't think that there should be an issue with this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikiel Posted January 6, 2017 Report Share Posted January 6, 2017 About the logo. If you click on it, it links you to this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ChumpCar_Logo.jpg Scroll down to the "Licensing" section and it reads: This is a logo of an organization, item, or event, and is protected by copyright. It is believed that the use of low-resolution images on the English-language Wikipedia, hosted on servers in the United States by the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation, of logos for certain uses involving identification and critical commentary may qualify as fair use under the Copyright law of the United States. Any other uses of this image, on Wikipedia or elsewhere, may be copyright infringement. Certain commercial use of this image may also be trademark infringement. See Wikipedia:Non-free content and Wikipedia:Logos. I believe that means the image is still copyrighted by ChumpCar, but I'm no lawyer. We do have a lawyer on the board, so I'll ask her to look into it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewheelerZ Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 3 hours ago, Bill Strong said: Canada... thats the thing... ChumpCar Canada is a completely separate company. They have nothing to do with the USA ChumpCar company. In fact, I believe that due to the nature of the structure of the company, that we are not allowed to have agreements with overseas (Outside the USA) companies. I will have to have the CCWS Board of Directors look at this and make the decision as to what can be posted in the Wiki. I was more thinking the official schedule on the website and pdf. We are kind of like a franchise after all right? We also have transferable memberships too (in that a racer only needs one membership to race in either country). Thanks for the help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMoneyWasters Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 "Teams are encouraged, but not required, to decorate their cars with themes." Is that still really a thing? I prefer that we don't decorate our cars like chickens or lemonade stands. That's what Lemons is for... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team Infiniti Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 2 hours ago, BigMoneyWasters said: Is that still really a thing? No more, needs edited, you have seen our car, at this time it is not discouraged 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csadn Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 6 hours ago, BigMoneyWasters said: "Teams are encouraged, but not required, to decorate their cars with themes." Is that still really a thing? I prefer that we don't decorate our cars like chickens or lemonade stands. That's what Lemons is for... It doesn't necessarily have to be like that -- it could be as simple as the Jacky Ickx GT30's Gulf Oil colors, or whichever outfit was trying to run the "Million Dollar Bill" Elliott Coors throwback design. IMSMC, in fact, having a lot of stuff which could fall off is Frowned Upon.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darin Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 I would fix the sentence referring to the point values assigned to cars - unless it was intended to be humorous/sarcastic. This is the sentence: "Vehicles are listed with arbitrary point calculations assigned to each model year." And here is the definition of arbitrary. So...either good joke, or needs fixing. ar·bi·trar·y [ˈärbəˌtrerē] ADJECTIVE based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system: "his mealtimes were entirely arbitrary" synonyms: capricious · whimsical · random · chance · unpredictable · [more] casual · wanton · unmotivated · motiveless · unreasoned · unsupported · irrational · illogical · groundless · unjustified · personal · discretionary · subjective antonyms: reasoned · rational (of power or a ruling body) unrestrained and autocratic in the use of authority: "arbitrary rule by King and bishops has been made impossible" synonyms: autocratic · dictatorial · autarchic · undemocratic · [more] 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDJones2000 Posted January 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 So for the theme stuff: Quote Teams are encouraged, but not required, to decorate their cars with themes. How about "Teams do not have to decorate their car with a theme, although themes are not discouraged."? It looks like someone already took care of the "arbitrary" thing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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