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so let's say I'm building an E36 sedan for this come year.   I want the car to look cool and bring sponsors, but I don't want to take any points.  a nice wing really sells a racecar.

 

so...    is LTW free?

 

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e36 m3 wing (was an option on non m cars stock

 

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how about the above with cheap ebay risers?

 

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I doubt any of this will make a difference on our laptimes, we just want to look cool at car shows with our chumpcar.

 

thoughts?

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10 minutes ago, mhr650 said:

I am seriously reconsidering if I am getting my 10 points worth... 

 

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Have you done a day of testing with it to see if it is worth the 10 points?  To consider if something is worth the points I would test it and see what it does to lap times.  

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12 minutes ago, mhr650 said:

I am seriously reconsidering if I am getting my 10 points worth... 

 

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Not 10 points. I messaged Phil and spoilers are valued at material points rate. Probably because the potential for performance improvement due to wing is much higher than for a spoiler. Happy because my spoiler will remain at 4points :)

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2 hours ago, mhr650 said:

I am seriously reconsidering if I am getting my 10 points worth... 

 

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If I remember correctly (likely not) the factory rear wing reduced rear end lift by 40 or 60% or something like that.  If your car is stable at speed then you don't need it and it is likely  just costing you time.

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1 hour ago, flyinglizard said:

 A wing is a wing . The rule does not differentiate  between stock and aftermarket.  No mention of size or location .  It is not pro rated.  If you have a wing, it is 10 pts.  Any of the stock M3 wings are 10 pts.  No matter where or how you mount it.  IMHO.  

Don't forget what section we're dealing with here:

 

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4.3. FIXED POINT VALUE
4.3.1. Non-stock Component Values: ChumpCar has assigned a FIXED POINT VALUE that will be applied to MOST non-stock and/or performance components.
4.3.2. Fixed Point Value List
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 wings/splitters (carbon fiber not allowed): 10 pts/ea

 

If it's a factory option part, it is not a non-stock component so it isn't governed by the part later on which says that wings are 10 points.

I don't know what parts were options on e36 m3s or e36 325s or 318s so I can't comment specifically on the 2nd half of what you were saying, but you are wrong with the first few sentences.

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35 minutes ago, flyinglizard said:

What non M3 has a wing? 

Neon SRT-4 has something which resembles a wing. I'm sure there are several cars on the list which do. Again, wasn't specifically talking BMWs. 

[edit] 2nd gen MR2 has a gray-area spoiler/wing which would be 0 points because it's OE. 

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9 hours ago, flyinglizard said:

 A wing is a wing . The rule does not differentiate  between stock and aftermarket.  No mention of size or location .  It is not pro rated.  If you have a wing, it is 10 pts.  Any of the stock M3 wings are 10 pts.  No matter where or how you mount it.  IMHO.  

Unless it's on a M3.   Then it's included in the MPV.

 

if it's a m3 wing on a non-m 325 or 328, 10 pts like you say.

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53 minutes ago, flyinglizard said:

M3 on the list for Chump? WTF

 

To which list are you referring?  The VPI Post List specifically states "Note #3 - All models must be standard factory offerrings. Special, custom or limited editions are not included in this VPI table."  M3 is not a standard factory offering and would be subject to additional points.  Correct?

 

BCCR seems pretty clear to me "wings/splitters (carbon fiber not allowed): 10 pts/ea" ... have a wing or a splitter take 10 points, don't have a wing or splitter no points.  

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32 minutes ago, theblue said:

 

back in the 90s if you walked into a BMW dealer and purchased a base 325 you could order with a few wings as dealer installed option 

 

I believe all e36s (318/323/325/328/M3) could get rear wings as dealer installed options.  With the exception of the Lightweight (LTW) wing (the white one) in the original post all they will do is add weight and drag.  The LTW wing may give some downforce but not as much as a properly built modern wing.  I also don't believe the LTW wing was available from the dealer except on the LTW. 

 

If you want to impress your sponsors, don't add stuff to the car that will slow you down, instead finish higher up the running order. 

 

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32 minutes ago, theblue said:

 

back in the 90s if you walked into a BMW dealer and purchased a base 325 you could order with a few wings as dealer installed option 

Let's not get into what a privately owned dealer might slap on your car for you. If it is not factory supported, then it is not from the OEM in my opinion. Even things like country homologation parts are done before sending the car to the dealers (usually a depot at the ports).

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12 minutes ago, JBgotM said:

Let's not get into what a privately owned dealer might slap on your car for you. If it is not factory supported, then it is not from the OEM in my opinion. Even things like country homologation parts are done before sending the car to the dealers (usually a depot at the ports).

 

It is a factory BMW part. 

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3 minutes ago, skierman64 said:

 

It wasn't standard on any particular model. 

 

A related question, can a 325 e36 run the factory M3 front splitter for free? 

 Not standard on an M3? 

 

As for the front splitter question,  personally not gonna give a positive answer for a  non m3  unless points are attached to it 

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