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I don't know if novices are allowed or not. Just because something is "allowed" doesn't make it a good idea. 

 

This race would probably not be a great idea for a true novice IMHO. 

What type of experience does the novice in question have?

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This is a good question.  The supp doesn't have a novice school on the schedule.  Having never run Daytona can someone weigh in:

 

1) Is running a novice driver at Daytona really any different in the grand scheme of things than running a novice driver at another track? If yes why?

 

2) Does anyone really believe out of 76 current team entries (228 drivers at 3/team) that every currently registered driver has previous experience?

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This is a good question.  The supp doesn't have a novice school on the schedule.  Having never run Daytona can someone weigh in:

 

1) Is running a novice driver at Daytona really any different in the grand scheme of things than running a novice driver at another track? If yes why?

 

2) Does anyone really believe out of 76 current team entries (228 drivers at 3/team) that every currently registered driver has previous experience?

While it can be endlessly debated what happens here I can point out several mistakes, most notably a no super-speedway experienced honda drivers first laps out not following protocol where he was to stay low and let the HP cars up high. While everyone did a superb job of damage control, sensory overload is easy to achieve ;)

 

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Ed's best Days of Thunder impersonation for the win!

 

To be fair, I've seen plenty of bone-head moves out of people with seat time. Daytona is one of the easiest tracks in the S.E., yes it is fast, yes you can get into trouble, yes the previous-WTW rule is supposedly Daytona's rule. For a completely novice driver, I mean completely novice, there are a bunch of tracks that are questionable in the S.E... 

 

Daytona is easy. Don't think you're taking the checkered flag whilst driving a Nascar Winston/Nextel/Sprint/Monster Energy Cup car and space out and forget to turn into Road Course T1, don't let the car shoot up half a lane coming off the banking as it flattens out, LEAVE A FLIPPIN' LANE OPEN ON THE HIGH SIDE IF YOU ARE DOING UNDER 125, and everything should be fine. 

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A couple of comments:

  • It is amazing that the cars in that video didn't find the wall.  Either good driving or good luck.
  • Daytona is a track where you MUST have good mirrors and USE THEM.  You really need a convex mirror on both sides and ought to have a convex center mirror
  • Although Daytona was a bucket list track for 30 years for me, it wasn't nearly as good as I had dreamt it would be
  • Because Daytona is DAYTONA, I think people get more amped up than normal (which is already a lot) so I wouldn't want to go there as a novice
  • Banking creates a lot of new challenges for even an experienced road racer, so that is another reason to do your first race somewhere else (ideally a race that features a practice day before it).  Why take on the extra complexity?

Just my 2 cents....

 

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I concur Daytona is easier then many other tracks until one makes a mistake in t1, t3, t4, t8, t9, t10 or t12, consequence are multiplied in t12 where the epic banking adds variables like fast cars sneaking up the highside and getting pinched.

 

Daytona not only requires WTW experience but also @ a superspeedway. How many racers follow this I do not know but it can make a difference.

 

Disclaimer, brother Jake was @ the helm of the 19 during that vid, he has yet to explain how the rear view mirror got broken while spinning :P

 

I will save time and leave this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24_Hours_of_Daytona#/media/File:Daytona_International_Speedway_-_Road_Course.svg

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It looks to me like the Infiniti came into the Honda as it came off the banking in NASCAR 4. But the reality is there are likely several vantages from which we'd need to see what really happened to draw a conclusion. Nice to see everybody kept it off the wall and lol @ watching cars still spinning in the camera car's rear view mirror. 

 

IMO, Daytona-Rolex is pretty easy in Chump Car. I regularly run it in my personal cars and at a sub 2:00 lap time, so the banking isn't intimidating at a slower pace. 

It's interesting that we call it a "super speedway" when most of our cars will be lucky to hit 120-125 mph from T11-T1, lol. 

 

The most disorienting part of Daytona-Rolex is NASCAR 4 at high speeds. In cars that run 170-180+ mph it takes getting used to dropping off the banking onto the front straight. 

 

Great track and tremendous fun. Can't wait until April!

 

Oh yeah...

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  Yes I find Daytona to be about the easiest track out there to drive " BUT  NEVER "  to be taken lightly as a slight mistake at certain areas can lead to tragic and dire consequences ..  I think anyone even thinking about driving Daytona should have many races under their belt ..  driving a slow car there has to suck eggs , praise the Lord  I never had that problem , as us fast guy's are really fast and passes happen snap ..  get a few races done catch a ride in something fast and you will love the place I mean it is Daytona..  

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  Yes I find Daytona to be about the easiest track out there to drive " BUT  NEVER "  to be taken lightly as a slight mistake at certain areas can lead to tragic and dire consequences ..  I think anyone even thinking about driving Daytona should have many races under their belt ..  driving a slow car there has to suck eggs , praise the Lord  I never had that problem , as us fast guy's are really fast and passes happen snap ..  get a few races done catch a ride in something fast and you will love the place I mean it is Daytona..  

I drove a honda there that failed the v-tec, and had to be reprogrammed on the fly to make it run (with even less hp). I knew it was going to be the slowest thing on the banking and ran the low line. I never had issues with the faster cars blasting past me on the higher lines. I did have 2 areas of issues with the faster cars.

 

1. They would cut right in front of my bumper headed into T1 and slam on the brakes. This is dangerous and should never be done. I had to take to the grass on the inside once because of this. That lighter smaller car that people pass on power likely has much deeper braking capability going into T1.

 

2. Infield blocking...of the blatant sort. It seems the mindset was "I am faster on the banking, so no way in hell am I going to let this guy get around me in the infield." 

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I drove a honda there that failed the v-tec, and had to be reprogrammed on the fly to make it run (with even less hp). I knew it was going to be the slowest thing on the banking and ran the low line. I never had issues with the faster cars blasting past me on the higher lines. I did have 2 areas of issues with the faster cars.

 

1. They would cut right in front of my bumper headed into T1 and slam on the brakes. This is dangerous and should never be done. I had to take to the grass on the inside once because of this. That lighter smaller car that people pass on power likely has much deeper braking capability going into T1.

 

2. Infield blocking...of the blatant sort. It seems the mindset was "I am faster on the banking, so no way in hell am I going to let this guy get around me in the infield." 

 

All time worst car builder. 

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1. They would cut right in front of my bumper headed into T1 and slam on the brakes. This is dangerous and should never be done. I had to take to the grass on the inside once because of this. That lighter smaller car that people pass on power likely has much deeper braking capability going into T1.

 

2. Infield blocking...of the blatant sort. It seems the mindset was "I am faster on the banking, so no way in hell am I going to let this guy get around me in the infield." 

 

I agree those are problems, but those are problems at any h.p./big straightaway track though, not just Daytona.

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While it can be endlessly debated what happens here I can point out several mistakes, most notably a no super-speedway experienced honda drivers first laps out not following protocol where he was to stay low and let the HP cars up high. While everyone did a superb job of damage control, sensory overload is easy to achieve ;)

 

Wow that E30 knows how to drive!

The famous body guard move, not easy to pull off.

 

Did someone hit the Honda or what happened??

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Endless debate forewarned!

 

Watched it countless times, t4 wall/track jog/bounce slightly, may have caused the 19 to clench cheeks/tap brake ( can't say for sure as Jake is a notorious left foot brake guy who rests his foot on the brake lights) Basically not enough room between & they move together, honda was floaty @ speed, should have been lower per the drivers meeting, this would have entirely changed the dynamic/content of that moment...

Damage was limited to 2 flat spotted tires, gouge in center of LR rim and a never diagnosed electrical glitch (stuck in 3rd randomly) for the next hour that fixed itself after 4 xtra pit stops.

Anthony's Coal Fire Pizza BMW got a big punch to passenger door but continued as did the honda with unknown damage as we have yet to speak.

 

After watching it 50 times you start seeing different things, opinion evolves every 10 or so viewings

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Endless debate forewarned!

 

Watched it countless times, t4 wall/track jog/bounce slightly, may have caused the 19 to clench cheeks/tap brake ( can't say for sure as Jake is a notorious left foot brake guy who rests his foot on the brake lights) Basically not enough room between & they move together, honda was floaty @ speed, should have been lower per the drivers meeting, this would have entirely changed the dynamic/content of that moment...

Damage was limited to 2 flat spotted tires, gouge in center of LR rim and a never diagnosed electrical glitch (stuck in 3rd randomly) for the next hour that fixed itself after 4 xtra pit stops.

Anthony's Coal Fire Pizza BMW got a big punch to passenger door but continued as did the honda with unknown damage as we have yet to speak.

 

After watching it 50 times you start seeing different things, opinion evolves every 10 or so viewings

Was going to say that looked like my friends e30, its sitting motorless at the moment. i saw him yesterday

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