dogtired Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 Damn cheaty BMWs.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vtjballeng Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 1 hour ago, dogtired said: Damn cheaty BMWs.... LOL. I don't take time to comment on them much but sent this in to the board: Quote Petition #2 Name:Shaan Mohammed Member #CC000151 Date Submitted:10-6-16 While I agree with the premise of this petition, the first part would make some of the most popular fuel jugs, like the Hunsaker, immediately illegal: "All fueling must be completed from an approved container with an opening not to exceed 1”. " This should allow for the 1.25", 2.25" and 3.0" OD options of the Hunsaker Jugs and therefore the 1" value is an unreasonable value for this restriction. Once altered to at least 2.25", the rule makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notbob Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 The hose I have on my hunsaker is 1.25 OD, 1" ID. So I don't see the issue here, unless you have already cut your jugs back to the 2.25 and 3.0 marks... This 1" rule exists in some other series as well and works ok on all sorts of jugs. Just my opinion. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kentite Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 We made adapters to reduce 2" ID down to 1" for our old JAZ fuel jugs. We now have Hunsaker and will probably cut them and use the same adapter as the threaded "1 inch" outlet is actually about 5/8" ID on some of our jugs. So anyone that has already cut their jugs should be able to use them without an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kentite Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 I like the idea of #1, but 50 points per gallon seems a little excessive. I'd say 25 per gallon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slugworks Paul Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 I submitted a petition? Weird. Anyway, it's inaccurate, I forgot another factor that determines coil spring rate - coil spacing. But I hope everyone gets the point anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogren-Engineering Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 Mike C was kind enough to clean up my proposal . Thank you M. Free the cheap plastic!! We fit the 1in rule at the funnel with the open cap fuel method. Pouring driectlty into the cell with a funnel and open top jug seems to spill the least amount of fuel . The cars with the long hose and such all drop way more fuel then we do. I dont see a problem . Other bodies charge a lap per spill on ground. I like that better. Let each team sort out the method but with safety as the end game. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enginerd Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 Nice to see a proposed change to the passing rules from the COO. My input will be that the entire passing section needs a rewrite. I've complained about that section a few times now, glad to see it's getting looked at. Also a good proposal from Phil about rear glass. I have some choice words about another petition or two but I don't feel the need bother you lot with my opinions there 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drgchapman Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, flyinglizard said: Mike C was kind enough to clean up my proposal . Thank you M. Free the cheap plastic!! We fit the 1in rule at the funnel with the open cap fuel method. Pouring driectlty into the cell with a funnel and open top jug seems to spill the least amount of fuel . The cars with the long hose and such all drop way more fuel then we do. I dont see a problem . Other bodies charge a lap per spill on ground. I like that better. Let each team sort out the method but with safety as the end game. We spill much less fuel with our similar fueling method. We have added a catch can on our vent per the 2017 rules as well. Those hoses on the jug can be a problem if they are removed too late, Spill out of the filler neck of the car as well as the hose of the jug. I see teams struggle getting them in as well, spilling before they have added any fuel to the tank. This does not need a re write or modification. If you spill you get penalized. I like that. Edited March 14, 2017 by drgchapman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDChristianson Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 To penalize for spills there will have to be more pit Marshall volunteers. We've worked races and there's no way you watch every single pit stop. Most...but not all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PNWZR1 Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 I have a feeling only one rule will be changed. But more than likely none. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Race Control chisek Posted March 14, 2017 Race Control Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 5 hours ago, Slugworks Paul said: I submitted a petition? In the case of your "petition" and at least one other, I used an email conversation we had as the basis. You made a good point that I felt the membership should hear and consider. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slugworks Paul Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 1 hour ago, chisek said: In the case of your "petition" and at least one other, I used an email conversation we had as the basis. You made a good point that I felt the membership should hear and consider. Thank you Mike! I'm impressed that you took note and decided to do that on my behalf. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kentite Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 Regarding petition #4 and overtaking. I would like to see more use of the blue flag to increase awareness of drivers who may be on the verge of being passed. I can't recall the last time I have seen one used in a race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team Infiniti Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 9 minutes ago, Kentite said: Regarding petition #4 and overtaking. I would like to see more use of the blue flag to increase awareness of drivers who may be on the verge of being passed. I can't recall the last time I have seen one used in a race. Eastern region speaking, they use it ! 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eman911 Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 I see the blue quite often. Maybe my car isn't fast enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewheelerZ Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 15 minutes ago, Eman911 said: I see the blue quite often. Maybe my car isn't fast enough. Hahaha. Us too! We refer to it as a full course blue. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kentite Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 1 hour ago, Team Infiniti said: Eastern region speaking, they use it ! Maybe it varies track to track. I can't remember one being shown at PIRC or Mid-Ohio. We did see them our first time at MIS. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators E. Tyler Pedersen Posted March 15, 2017 Administrators Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 Road America does a great job on the blue flags 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notbob Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 If the rear window rule gets passed, when will it go into effect and if using OEM glass that has the laminate on both sides, are straps required, or only on lexan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikiel Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 If the board approves the rule, we'll announce at the meeting in Daytona when it will go into effect. Straps are only required on Lexan/polycarbonate or plexiglass windows. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pintodave Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 (edited) I'm sure those that can already go 2 hours will disagree with me, but the concept of "buying fuel" is a good way to help control speed creep and give another dynamic way to spend TCV points to teams not blessed with huge OEM capacities. Unless you have a car that is right at 500 points, you are going to try to maximize your points available to your platform. For example, in its current trim I should have approx. 30-50 points left (finishing 2017 TCV now actually...) – so being a racer, my first thought is “how can I make my car faster/better with those leftover points?” Just about anything I can choose do at this point will make the car faster – valvetrain, headers, suspension, etc, all adding to speed creep. If a team can “buy fuel”, that now makes me stop and think – gee, should we make the car faster, or live with it's current performance level, and take an extra gallon or two of fuel? Edited March 15, 2017 by pintodave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team Infiniti Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 (edited) 37 minutes ago, pintodave said: Fuel There will be a huge unintended consequence,cars that are already fast that have to fuel often or those that are fast and have points left over will just get higher in the standings ....think blitz or twoth Edited March 15, 2017 by Team Infiniti 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pintodave Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 2 minutes ago, Team Infiniti said: There will be a huge unintended consequence,cars that are already fast that have to fuel often will just get higher in the standings ....think blitz or twoth IFFFF they have TCV points left over. If a team is already cheating on capacity, then the rules don't matter anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team Infiniti Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 1 minute ago, pintodave said: IFFFF they have TCV points left over. If a team is already cheating on capacity, then the rules don't matter anyways. Edited Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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