allemay Posted April 25, 2017 Report Share Posted April 25, 2017 (edited) Hi Guys, Thinking about switching to a BMW. Why is nobody running E46's? I have a lot of research to do but I like the look and pretty easy to find. Sorry I put this in the wrong section. Not sure how to move it now. Advice please! Brad Edited April 26, 2017 by allemay I'm dumb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABR-Glen Posted April 25, 2017 Report Share Posted April 25, 2017 They were a recent addition to the VPI list. There was one at Road America last weekend and I'm sure many more to come, just give it time. Pretty attractive at 475 points I would say, and agree they are even easier to find than E36 around here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcwilliams00 Posted April 26, 2017 Report Share Posted April 26, 2017 damn! e46 is only 475 now?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbogrill Posted April 26, 2017 Report Share Posted April 26, 2017 They might even have warranty still! Makes life easy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skierman64 Posted April 26, 2017 Report Share Posted April 26, 2017 1 hour ago, turbogrill said: They might even have warranty still! Makes life easy. Where do they have 12 year warranties? I need one of those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbogrill Posted April 26, 2017 Report Share Posted April 26, 2017 Kia has 10 years and/or 100 000 miles! How would they know it's a chumpcar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Advisory Committee Andrew D Johnson Posted April 26, 2017 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted April 26, 2017 An E46 has been tearing it up in WRL GP2. Sure looks like a good platform to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ross2004 Posted April 26, 2017 Report Share Posted April 26, 2017 E46 - 475 points 1994 Cadillac Eldorado - 525 points 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allemay Posted April 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2017 I didn't realize the AVI was higher before. I guess that explains why there aren't any of them until now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Advisory Committee Andrew D Johnson Posted April 26, 2017 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted April 26, 2017 35 minutes ago, ross2004 said: E46 - 475 points 1994 Cadillac Eldorado - 525 points If it doesn't look good, write a petition to change it or at least email someone on the BOD . CCWS has processes and procedures in place to make these types of changes. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theblue Posted April 26, 2017 Report Share Posted April 26, 2017 no LSD kills them for me. Also, what makes them more desirable than an E36? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ross2004 Posted April 26, 2017 Report Share Posted April 26, 2017 7 minutes ago, red0 said: If it doesn't look good, write a petition to change it or at least email someone on the BOD . CCWS has processes and procedures in place to make these types of changes. Doesn't bother me one way or the other, I'll pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mender Posted April 26, 2017 Report Share Posted April 26, 2017 12 minutes ago, theblue said: no LSD kills them for me. Also, what makes them more desirable than an E36? Maybe the availability of 25 points to put whatever LSD diff you want into it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Advisory Committee Andrew D Johnson Posted April 26, 2017 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted April 26, 2017 1 minute ago, mender said: Maybe the availability of 25 points to put whatever LSD diff you want into it. Or you could weld the gears (for 0 points?), and then spend the 25 points elsewhere? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mender Posted April 26, 2017 Report Share Posted April 26, 2017 Sometimes 25 points spent on diff ratio is worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mender Posted April 26, 2017 Report Share Posted April 26, 2017 (edited) 15 hours ago, ABR-Glen said: They were a recent addition to the VPI list. There was one at Road America last weekend and I'm sure many more to come, just give it time. Pretty attractive at 475 points I would say, and agree they are even easier to find than E36 around here. Makes me wonder if someone made a mistake on the chart and missed the line that says 500 pts for the 325 E46 to match the E36; would make sense given that the 328i E46 is the same 570 pts as the E36. Might be good to clarify that before building one. Edited April 26, 2017 by mender Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Bill Strong Posted April 26, 2017 Administrators Report Share Posted April 26, 2017 patiently waiting for the 2009 335D to be at 475 points. I do have a 2004 330XI that can be caged... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABR-Glen Posted April 26, 2017 Report Share Posted April 26, 2017 46 minutes ago, mender said: Makes me wonder if someone made a mistake on the chart and missed the line that says 500 pts for the 325 E46 to match the E36; would make sense given that the 328i E46 is the same 570 pts as the E36. Might be good to clarify that before building one. It was already asked about when the list was updated, Mike implied that it was not a mistake. It's actually the 323 model E46 that is 475 pts, the 325 is a later model with an M54. The rear diff is the right place to spend your 25 points, but you're still giving up ~20hp to an E36 325, probably a pretty equal tradeoff. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABR-Glen Posted April 26, 2017 Report Share Posted April 26, 2017 22 minutes ago, Bill Strong said: patiently waiting for the 2009 335D to be at 475 points. Patiently waiting for the 335D to get cheap enough for a GP1 build. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmabarone Posted April 26, 2017 Report Share Posted April 26, 2017 38 minutes ago, ABR-Glen said: It was already asked about when the list was updated, Mike implied that it was not a mistake. It's actually the 323 model E46 that is 475 pts, the 325 is a later model with an M54. The rear diff is the right place to spend your 25 points, but you're still giving up ~20hp to an E36 325, probably a pretty equal tradeoff. Makes me wish I still had that 323ci that I picked up for 1k back in 2011. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Mike Posted April 26, 2017 Report Share Posted April 26, 2017 14 hours ago, skierman64 said: Where do they have 12 year warranties? I need one of those. I just got one from Jeep , as long as I own the car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Advisory Committee Andrew D Johnson Posted April 26, 2017 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted April 26, 2017 18 minutes ago, Mellow Mike said: I just got one from Jeep , as long as I own the car. It still sucks if your car is permanently in the shop. Just ask @Bill Strong about the time he bought an "Ultimate Maintenance machine". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reidry Posted April 26, 2017 Report Share Posted April 26, 2017 I'm still not sure how the BMW e36 325i M50 and the Lexus SC300 are both 500 pts. The Lexus makes more HP, more torque and shares a number of components with the 3rd gen Supra. At Daytona our '95 e36 with completely stock junkyard M50 and a turner chip was pulled everywhere by the Lexus. Ryan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Advisory Committee Andrew D Johnson Posted April 26, 2017 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted April 26, 2017 9 minutes ago, reidry said: I'm still not sure how the BMW e36 325i M50 and the Lexus SC300 are both 500 pts. The Lexus makes more HP, more torque and shares a number of components with the 3rd gen Supra. At Daytona our '95 e36 with completely stock junkyard M50 and a turner chip was pulled everywhere by the Lexus. Ryan The Lexus is a better car at Daytona, the E36 is a better car at AMP. Both cars are better than pretty much anything else 500 points or less. If you were getting pulled in the corners, I suggest you go faster through them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enginerd Posted April 26, 2017 Report Share Posted April 26, 2017 11 minutes ago, reidry said: At Daytona our '95 e36 with completely stock junkyard M50 and a turner chip was pulled everywhere by the Lexus. That might be your problem... I know Kevin dynos their cars and rebuilds if the engine is showing age / losing power. You can't shouldn't expect junkyard stuff to be as good as rebuilt stuff. And perhaps a more relevant point, as red0 said, the lexus is better at Daytona. Different tracks favour different cars. Daytona had approx. zero e30s in the top 10, but at VIR half the top 10 was e30s. I bet there's a track where the e36 would be better than the Lexus. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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