turbogrill Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 Hi, Instead of getting a E36 a SC300 might be a cool option. The E36 vs SC300 debate comes up every now and then. For a SCCA/NASA/HPDE car it might not be the obvious choice. But since it's chump it might make sense. I know there are some fast ones running in chump. So what are the pros and cons with a SC300 for chump? This is what google has told be so far: Pros: - Stiff chassi - Good power (~220hp) - Reliable engine - A lot of similarities with the Supra - Good aero - 20 gal gas tank Cons: - No aftermarket parts unless the supra part will fit - Maybe a tad heavy (Slightly heavier than E36 in race form) - Front heavy (not sure why?) - No one tracks them (outside chump) Transmissions, brakes, some suspension parts and engines are supra replacements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommytipover Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 Con: It's a 500 pt. car, you can't tinker with it in order to win by 10 laps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morganf Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 Would certainly pick an sc300 over an e36. Pro: More common Wheel bolt pattern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theblue Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 46 minutes ago, tommytipover said: Con: It's a 500 pt. car, you can't tinker with it in order to win by 10 laps. people tinker with 500 point cars endlessly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr1vlet Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 Doesn't it have an open diff? I know one of the fast teams runs theirs welded (ksr?) But those guys can wheel... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
humbucker87 Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 We raced one for a year or so and unfortunately just sold it due to most of our team not being able to race for the foreseeable future. I very much enjoyed wrenching on and racing the car. Here's a few oddball thoughts as they come to mind. Pros: - Double wishbone all around, great camber adjust-ability = great tire wear and handling - extremely reliable all around engine, drivetrain, suspension, etc - can go 2+ hours with the large tank - long wheelbase makes for very stable handling - 2jz is non-interference (kind of nice to know in case the timing belt does let go) - easy brake upgrade with LS400 front calipers - easy suspension with supra bilstein's all around Cons: - hard to find a manual for cheap....we paid just over $2k for ours in decent running condition and we thought that was a steal - open diff as mentioned above - front lower control arms and rear uppers are very expensive new and do not have a serviceable ball joint so used can be a crap shoot - large footprint, not the smallest car to make your way through traffic with - 500 pts as mentioned above, although with so many of the new rules (open ecu, open equal diameter springs, etc) it might be easier to make it competitive We weren't sure why they made the VVT years equal points last year. As far as I can tell I don't see any downsides to buying a 98 or 99 car (except for price). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron_e Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 On the A arm for both the Fox Mustang and the first gen RX-7 there is a ball joint that is said to be non-serviceable in the manual and to just buy a whole new A arm with ball joint complete. For both vehicles we got just a ball joint and had the old one removed and the new one pressed in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbogrill Posted May 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 2 hours ago, humbucker87 said: We raced one for a year or so and unfortunately just sold it due to most of our team not being able to race for the foreseeable future. I very much enjoyed wrenching on and racing the car. Here's a few oddball thoughts as they come to mind. Pros: - Double wishbone all around, great camber adjust-ability = great tire wear and handling - extremely reliable all around engine, drivetrain, suspension, etc - can go 2+ hours with the large tank - long wheelbase makes for very stable handling - 2jz is non-interference (kind of nice to know in case the timing belt does let go) - easy brake upgrade with LS400 front calipers - easy suspension with supra bilstein's all around Cons: - hard to find a manual for cheap....we paid just over $2k for ours in decent running condition and we thought that was a steal - open diff as mentioned above - front lower control arms and rear uppers are very expensive new and do not have a serviceable ball joint so used can be a crap shoot - large footprint, not the smallest car to make your way through traffic with - 500 pts as mentioned above, although with so many of the new rules (open ecu, open equal diameter springs, etc) it might be easier to make it competitive We weren't sure why they made the VVT years equal points last year. As far as I can tell I don't see any downsides to buying a 98 or 99 car (except for price). I thought that a Supra transmission would fit? Ebay shows some for a few hundred? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Advisory Committee Andrew D Johnson Posted May 4, 2017 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 Pros: Pretty much everything. Cons: Extremely high initial cost. Expensive tire size Expensive fuel bill Basically - If you have the $$$$ its a great car. If your on a budget, a neon or civic would be much cheaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAMR2 Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 What happened to your 280ZX? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbogrill Posted May 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 7 minutes ago, LAMR2 said: What happened to your 280ZX? It's so damn rusty so not sure if it's worth installing all the cheaty engine parts and suspension parts I have. Might sell them instead. It will do 1-2 races more for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcwilliams00 Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 sc300. Engine=awesomeness. Suspension=awesomeness. Take a lap or two and do aero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 If someone is seriously looking for one my uncle has a nice SC300 that he was going to build before he built his fastback. It has no interior and already has a 5spd in it. Very clean car and runs and drives. PM me for his #. Car is on the Space Coast in Fl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
humbucker87 Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 On 5/4/2017 at 1:20 PM, turbogrill said: I thought that a Supra transmission would fit? Ebay shows some for a few hundred? Did you mean differential? Almost all parts swap directly over from a supra. However the transmission that comes out of the turbo supra is much stronger and much more expensive (look at eBay for r154). The na supra and sc300 share the same w58 transmission and they aren't too crazy expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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