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17 minutes ago, Bremsen said:

What about columns?

 

yes. Troy and I have just switched to a Sweet telescoping column. it removes all of the OE mounts out of the way, which was a hazard to my guys knees. columns are open. 
but the rack is not.

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Since when has power steering, whether hydraulic or e-assist, EVER been points adders? Pretty sure that's been open since the days of our founder, the big C (has he fled to switzerland yet?)

 

Also, your post is misleading - doing an exact replica of my setup is incredibly cheap (Much cheaper than adding a power steering rack + pump + cooler + hoses + pump mount, etc back into my car after I realized I needed it)

As I posted in the other thread:
 

"Not a single lie - I paid about $50 for the complete column and motor at Wally's U-pull it in Oshkosh WI, I bought the controller on ebay for about $75, and made my own bracketry to mount it. "

If you want more info on how to do this, PM me. This does not change your steering ratio - the motor/gearbox is 1:1. Also warning - the motor gets hot and shuts down and you have to power cycle it, a lot. We had that issue at laguna seca, after about 45 minutes it starts to get crabby.

 

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5 hours ago, Slugworks Paul said:

 

"Not a single lie - I paid about $50 for the complete column and motor at Wally's U-pull it in Oshkosh WI, I bought the controller on ebay for about $75, and made my own bracketry to mount it. "
 

 

Even 2 hours away I may have to add Wallys to my itinerary. Bet he has the box and steering shaft for a GC.

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@Slugworks Paul this is my fault, sorry. 

 

@flyinglizard You're a troll, I know this because I am as well. But I don't think you will get too far with this. Just google "Saturn vue power steering" there is someone talking about how to do it for $100 on the 4th result. 

 

@Snake and @enginerd I don't get your issue with this one. Do you hate old guys and people with shoulder issues? This isn't going to make cars faster or more reliable its just more comfortable to drive. I don't know how you can't categorize this as driver comfort. If you don't want that comfort then don't do it? I forget who said it but this would be like making cool suits a cost item. 

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So, I can change my belt driven pump, that could be a failure point mid-race and slings a belt then I have to pit to address the problem because of other belt driven accessories, or I can change out to this $100 mod, free up some horsepower and eliminate another failure point (if it fails, we just live with no power steering). 

 

How is this not value-add? 

 

And I'll repeat my question, if P.S. is now deemed comfort only and not point worthy, why am I paying $20 bones on my TCV for a cooler? 

 

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12 minutes ago, pintodave said:

So, I can change my belt driven pump, that could be a failure point mid-race and slings a belt then I have to pit to address the problem because of other belt driven accessories, or I can change out to this $100 mod, free up some horsepower and eliminate another failure point (if it fails, we just live with no power steering). 

 

How is this not value-add? 

 

And I'll repeat my question, if P.S. is now deemed comfort only and not point worthy, why am I paying $20 bones on my TCV for a cooler? 

 

 

Because instead everyone and their Mom is pulling belt driven powersteering pumps and forcing drivers to man up. So its you either pay with you pocket, with your body, or take the HP hit. 

 

Here are some examples: (sorry guys to put you on blast)

@Mopar 4 Life's PT is awesome but its steering efforts make mid corner adjustments impossible and hard to correct which you are having a ohh poop moment.

@Miata PI's steer efforts aren't crazy high but enough give my hands blisters and beat up less in shape drivers.

@coolcars44 RX8 has eboost stock but the mazda system is unreliable. The steering efforts without eboost are so high that i couldn't lift my arms above my head the Monday after. 

 

I am barely over 30 and am in pretty damn good shape and still have to tailor my workouts around this. If you are older, have bad shoulders, or are out of shape your fracked. Pretty sure that is a good percentage of chumps. Just let them put there powersteering on.

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11 minutes ago, Jamie said:

Because instead everyone and their Mom is pulling belt driven powersteering pumps and forcing drivers to man up.

 

I didn't pick their platforms. 

 

ZING! I've been waiting SO long to use that. SOOOO long. 

 

Edit: so 2 of those 3 examples, the teams consciously took off the power steering, and your argument is that they should be allowed to put a different non-oem style back on there, that as discussed, could free up H.P. and be more reliable? 

 

Double edit: I race American Iron stuff, I don't want to hear any whining about reliability. I am 100% struggle enthusiast. 

 

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14 minutes ago, pintodave said:

Edit: so 2 of those 3 examples, the teams consciously took off the power steering, and your argument is that they should be allowed to put a different non-oem style back on there, that as discussed, could free up H.P. and be more reliable?

Electric is just fine for the highway and such for reducing parasitic losses, but as mentioned is not designed for high loads and duty cycles. The energy required to run the electric ps is supplied or replenished by the alternator, posing a more constant and certainly more inefficient power drain than a purely hydraulic system.

 

Personally, I only use the power steering in the corners (;)) where it probably uses up to 10 hp at high load and rpm; I sacrifice probably around 1 hp on the straights to circulating the ps fluid under no load. If a 100 amp alternator is running at full draw, it's producing about 2 hp and consuming about 3 hp to do so.

 

I would bet that the electric system slows a car down more than the hydraulic system.

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4 minutes ago, Team Infiniti said:

Because they read the rulebook better then we did, kudos, but remember, they are having their own self induced issues making it less then a perfect solution for free HP

 

I'm not seeing it in the rulebook, but I guess that's why I missed it the first time :lol: 

 

It's cool, I do agree that the "it's free" bandwagon needs to be contained, but this particular issue isn't something that I'm going to lose sleep over, I'm just simply pointing out the proposed abuse of the intent of the rule. The argument seems to be removing power steering from a platform that has OEM power steering, complaining that you don't have power steering, then arguing to add P.S. back to the platform that is non-OE that allows you to keep the potential HP and reliability gains. 

 

Furthermore, what I do have a problem with is being charged cooler points on a system that is now apparently being "opened up" because it is driver comfort. Well, the cooler keeps my driver comfort P.S. working, so I guess that 20 points will be coming off. And while I'm at it, I won't have any heartburn about sending off my spare core to CJR for a race rebuild and I'll keep my current Rock Auto pump as a spare.

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