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I met with a LeMans team the other day to try to get them to switch to Chump. They were a bit intimidated by the rules, it turns out they haven't been reading them since 2013 like I have. I think it would be helpful to have a web base tool that could help teams understand what their current value is and what the mods they want to do will cost them. Kinda like the swap tool. I don't think this is a easy task and I fear that teams will use the tool blindly BUT I still think it would help. I don't know what the best layout would be. Dropdown menus, checkboxs, etc. Personally I would do checkboxs so you are aware of the components in question. There should also probably be a "others" box that would be submitted to chump car for clarification. 

 

 

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Really.

If you want to give me that much more work now.

Seriously it's not very difficult to do the forms thousands of teams have done it over the last couple of years. All they have to do is read the rulebook print out the pages and put their information down along with the numbers Associated that information super easy

The values are listed on the website all you have to do is type in the information and boom there's our values

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It is pretty simple:

 

1. Use the web based tool to look up the base vehicle value.

2. Read and understand pages 19-22, otherwise known as chapter 4.  If you have questions the forum is more than willing to help.

3. Total up your points.

 

That covers your vehicle points, it is just 4 pages.  If you don't understand then ask questions.  Saying that, a web based calculator would make it easier to give an initial idea but understand you will likely have missed a number of items that will add points.

 

Other than that, make sure you have chapters 3 and 9 covered, these are the safety chapters.  These two chapters could likely be merged for one last update of the basic rules.

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I like the idea.  Select your car, then each part with points has a dropdown/checkbox that can be selected and adds up to you "potential" total points.   I'm sure it would need a disclaimer that said "this calculation is not official blah blah blah."  Anything that makes it easier for new teams to come in has to be good for the series though right?

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2 hours ago, snowman said:

I like the idea.  Select your car, then each part with points has a dropdown/checkbox that can be selected and adds up to you "potential" total points.   I'm sure it would need a disclaimer that said "this calculation is not official blah blah blah."  Anything that makes it easier for new teams to come in has to be good for the series though right?

In order to not be completely ineffective, it would need to 'save' previous selections after 'form submission'. So you tally up parts.. come up to some amount of points... you could, without reselecting everything, add some parts to raise your total, or deselect some items.

 

That is the biggest problem with the VPI lookup... you select car and year and trim... click submit.. then it shows you the VPI. But what about 1 year newer or 1 year older? In order to see those, you have to go back and select all the dropdowns again and submit.

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Really?

Look up the VPI in the PDF (or ask for it in Excel if you like - they sent it to me) for your car, print a copy of the tech sheet, insert VPI and add in the mods (hell, half of them are FREE!).  Get total. 

 

If you need a calculator for this, maybe you shouldn't be prepping race cars (just sayin')

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8 hours ago, enginerd said:

In order to not be completely ineffective, it would need to 'save' previous selections after 'form submission'. So you tally up parts.. come up to some amount of points... you could, without reselecting everything, add some parts to raise your total, or deselect some items.

 

That is the biggest problem with the VPI lookup... you select car and year and trim... click submit.. then it shows you the VPI. But what about 1 year newer or 1 year older? In order to see those, you have to go back and select all the dropdowns again and submit.

 

You could have it save all other selections, then re-calculate once year/trim are re-selected.  The "hard work" is already done with the vehicle VPI, the items should be fairly simple since they are fixed values.  Easy for me to say right?  Haha.  I'm sure there would be lots of this stuff floating around if we had to the two consumables we all need most.....Time and Money.

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From a amateur web developer point of view and someone who has been every year since 2012...   there is no way a web form could do what a actual push through tech could do...

 

Now, if you just want to have something lolly dolly that could give you an estimate, I could see that argument, but someone also mentioned the tech form as a cheat sheet and I agree, I have used the tech sheet as a how close am I guide and that works pretty good.

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  Difficult ?   Wa bout back in the AIV days you only have to find , devise , 5 running examples on the Internet for sale to get your base value ..  and now you just push a button and everyone gets the same values 

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I am a professional e-commerce web developer who has been building multi-million dollar websites since the mid-90s. I can tell you that getting ChmpCar team peeps to actually come to the website is hard. getting them to fill out the paperwork is hard. Getting them to read the rule book is hard. Getting them to use a web form would be near impossible as you will always have that one guy using Windows XP and IE6.

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I am not thinking of this as a tool for existing chumps (though I am sure some would use it). But as a tool for teams in the other damn near ruleless series. Most of these teams can't be bothered to read the rules. I know you guys are saying then they shouldn't be here but with car counts in the single digits out west while the fruit and dog series have 5x that. Anything that we can do to help these teams bring their cars to the series would be nice. PLUS I know at least a quarter of you haven't read If you think about it Chumpcar is the only one who has a point system for mods. @Bill Strong I think there needs to be 4x of you. 

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