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Rule clarification question - in bold

 

7.2.2.     The responsibility for passing another car and accomplishing that pass safely rests with the
overtaking driver. The driver that is about to be overtaken has the responsibility to be aware that    
he    or she is about to be passed,    give hand-signals    and shall not impede the overtaking car.

 

 

I have a driver on my new team (we're all new) that interpreted this rule as "we need to signal use hand signals to other drivers to let them know when to pass  and how they can/should/where pass"

 

I've been to a noob drivers meeting I'm pretty sure I remember being told that we don't need to signal to other drivers that they can, and how/where they should, pass. I can do that but I don't have to, this is real wheel to wheel racing. Besides the courtesy of signalling we don't have to, right? What is the official stance on this?

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37 minutes ago, WastedAccounts said:

Rule clarification question - in bold

 

7.2.2.     The responsibility for passing another car and accomplishing that pass safely rests with the
overtaking driver. The driver that is about to be overtaken has the responsibility to be aware that    
he    or she is about to be passed,    give hand-signals    and shall not impede the overtaking car.

 

 

I have a driver on my new team (we're all new) that interpreted this rule as "we need to signal use hand signals to other drivers to let them know when to pass  and how they can/should/where pass"

 

I've been to a noob drivers meeting I'm pretty sure I remember being told that we don't need to signal to other drivers that they can, and how/where they should, pass. I can do that but I don't have to, this is real wheel to wheel racing. Besides the courtesy of signalling we don't have to, right? What is the official stance on this?

I would recommend keeping both hands on the wheel, keep an eye on those mirrors, and drive a sensible line. It's not your responsibility to tell the car behind where to pass, and the car behind may be setting up a pass to the other side anyway!

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We had an incident at Road Atlanta this year. I was effecting a pass on the outside of T6, gave the car I was passing lots of room, and after I had nearly cleared him he made a beeline across the track and hit our right rear quarter. We have in-car video and it was clear that I didn't pinch him. The other driver was simply focused on another car trying to get under him. He was wide in T6 and slow through there. 

We took our lumps and our black flag and went to the tower after our stint to meet talk to Mike C.. After reviewing our video, and seeing that my hand position and car position through the turn did not change, he gave us back 3 laps. Mike commented that Chump was moving towards both the passing car and the car being passed having some accountability for a safe pass. 

I saw a video from Sebring last year. In it, a driver in a BMW was being passed on the left by a rather fast Miata coming out of T9. It was very clear the BMW driver was not paying attention, and came from far track right to the left to set up for T10, contacting the Miata pretty damn hard in the process. The BMW was being passed, pinched the Miata and IMO they both were at fault. 

 

I think the point is, we're all trying to dance out there. And it's nice if you don't get a spinning backhand when you step in for the reverse fleckerl. 

S. 

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Waves are nice, and always appreciated.     Just don't wreck yourself by doing so.   Keep your eyes on the prize and simply throw a hand up or out the window for a brief second and carry on.    I wave at just about everyone, it's become almost a habit and sometimes I can come close to screwing up ( look for it ) what I'm doing on track by that simple act. 

 

Look for the other drivers to give point bys.   And I wave tons of course.  The point bys are nice and it gives the overtaking driver piece of mind that you have been seen.       Skip to 3;30 if the vid doesn't start there.  

 

But be wary of AMP, it's like a giant autocross with no time to rest at all in the car.   Seriously !    It a great challenge in a small package !

 

 

 

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9 hours ago, Snorman said:

the Miata and IMO they both were at fault

My curiosity extends to wondering why the Miata did not step off track to avoid.

 

As for this, already answered but

11 hours ago, WastedAccounts said:

I have a driver on my new team (we're all new) that interpreted this rule as "we need to signal use hand signals to other drivers to let them know when to pass  and how they can/should/where pass"

Being a race rather then track day, there is absolutely no time to await passing permissions, a month ago I asked how fair this was, everyone answered "just fine"    Have your teammate look up some vids of KSR

 

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46 minutes ago, Team Infiniti said:

My curiosity extends to wondering why the Miata did not step off track to avoid.

Not sure, maybe some drivers are averse to having to get on the brakes while on the grass in a braking zone. Who knows. Both drivers could have avoided this. 

S. 

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Hand signals are nice when you are out there riding and some 20 seconds a lap car faster car is coming up on you on a long straightaway before some hairpin turn or something, the fast guy, who is probably 20-30-40-50 positions ahead of you will appreciate it and remember you were the guy that didn't give him a hard time later down the road.  Because if you try to race that guy, and make him try to pass you in that stupid tight hairpin turn, the chances of disaster start going up...  and its just not worth it...

 

I remember my first race in my car, it was soooo slow...   the first stint I had black gloves and I realized that no one could see my point bys, so the second stint I had red gloves and that probably increased my life expectancy for that day...

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3 hours ago, Justin9 said:

Hand signals are nice when you are out there riding and some 20 seconds a lap car faster car is coming up on you on a long straightaway before some hairpin turn or something, the fast guy, who is probably 20-30-40-50 positions ahead of you will appreciate it and remember you were the guy that didn't give him a hard time later down the road.  Because if you try to race that guy, and make him try to pass you in that stupid tight hairpin turn, the chances of disaster start going up...  and its just not worth it...

 

I remember my first race in my car, it was soooo slow...   the first stint I had black gloves and I realized that no one could see my point bys, so the second stint I had red gloves and that probably increased my life expectancy for that day...

 

Great idea with the gloves Justin!  

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