atxe30 Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 apologies in advance if this has been covered, but a search of the site did not produce an answer to my question. am planning on doing a brake booster delete on my e30, and as part of that would add a manual proportioning valve in the engine bay. wondering if a proportioning valve addition and associated plumbing will incur a penalty. thx in advance for any guidance on this.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enginerd Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, atxe30 said: apologies in advance if this has been covered, but a search of the site did not produce an answer to my question. am planning on doing a brake booster delete on my e30, and as part of that would add a manual proportioning valve in the engine bay. wondering if a proportioning valve addition and associated plumbing will incur a penalty. thx in advance for any guidance on this.. 0 points to do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atxe30 Posted January 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 nice. thanks! stay warm up there in the frozen tundra....heh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enginerd Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 7 minutes ago, atxe30 said: nice. thanks! stay warm up there in the frozen tundra....heh This week has been rather pleasant (low 30's), I'm actually getting work done in the unheated garage! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiredBirds Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, enginerd said: This week has been rather pleasant (low 30's), I'm actually getting work done in the unheated garage! yeah we got your cold down here. You can have it back anytime you like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindspin311 Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Advisory Committee Andrew D Johnson Posted January 10, 2018 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 32 minutes ago, mindspin311 said: Why? Brake feel is better without a booster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindspin311 Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 12 minutes ago, red0 said: Brake feel is better without a booster Maybe? But I've never heard of E30s running booster deletes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Advisory Committee Andrew D Johnson Posted January 10, 2018 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, mindspin311 said: Maybe? But I've never heard of E30s running booster deletes. Most people don't like to give away their speed secrets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron_e Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 Booster has been removed from our car as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhr650 Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 I had plans to remove the booster from my car, but I changed my mind and will be adding a Wilwood pedal box and balance bar instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakks Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 Booster delete because safety V8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Shay Posted February 14, 2018 Report Share Posted February 14, 2018 On 1/10/2018 at 1:23 PM, enginerd said: 0 points to do this. Is it stated in the rule book that an adjustable proportioning valve is zero points? I didn't see anything that would cover this. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mender Posted February 14, 2018 Report Share Posted February 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, cshay said: Is it stated in the rule book that an adjustable proportioning valve is zero points? I didn't see anything that would cover this. Chris It used to be 25 points but is now free. If they stated it in the rule book, that would add at least four words and people would complain about the length of the rules! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zack_280 Posted February 14, 2018 Report Share Posted February 14, 2018 On 1/10/2018 at 4:56 PM, mhr650 said: will be adding a Wilwood pedal box and balance bar instead. Is this free too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mender Posted February 14, 2018 Report Share Posted February 14, 2018 Master cylinders used to be points but now they're free. If they stated it in the rule book, that would add at least - hey, didn't I just do this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Shay Posted February 14, 2018 Report Share Posted February 14, 2018 So a $400 dual master cylinder is now free? Can someone please let my wife know that this is "Free". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDChristianson Posted February 14, 2018 Report Share Posted February 14, 2018 28 minutes ago, cshay said: So a $400 dual master cylinder is now free? Can someone please let my wife know that this is "Free". Whoa whhhooa.....oops sorry that was me sliding down the slippery slope........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55mini Posted February 14, 2018 Report Share Posted February 14, 2018 25 minutes ago, JDChristianson said: Whoa whhhooa.....oops sorry that was me sliding down the slippery slope........ We slid off that a long time ago!!!!!!!! and haven't stopped yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhr650 Posted February 14, 2018 Report Share Posted February 14, 2018 1 hour ago, cshay said: So a $400 dual master cylinder is now free? Can someone please let my wife know that this is "Free". It is if you want to cheap out, go all the way and bring $10K with you… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilsonSteele Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 Hold on, what? An adjustable proportioning valve is zero points? I understand a master cylinder, that's replacing an existing item and falls under the 2x rule (and excludes fancy bias bar sets that fall above the 2x rule) What happened to the rule, in the rule book, stating every part has a value? 4.4.2. There is NO SUCH THING as a free part, every part of a vehicle has a value. Parts not covered elsewhere in the rules will be assigned a point value by ChampCar Tech Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xph Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 A year or two ago I asked and was told the pedals / pedal set was free... the prop valve was zero points and tech would consider the balance bar to be equivalent... but while replacing the master was also zero points.. this did not cover the addition of a second master... which tech would still asses 25 points... not sure if that’s still Phil’s position but it was at that time... pedals and prop valve and any single master is zero.. but add a second master for the balance bar and it’s 25 points ... which used to be listed as the master fpv.. but is also no longer in the rules.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogren-Engineering Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 Wilson. Can you please do a petition for the plastic value? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xph Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 10 hours ago, Xph said: A year or two ago I asked and was told the pedals / pedal set was free... the prop valve was zero points and tech would consider the balance bar to be equivalent... but while replacing the master was also zero points.. this did not cover the addition of a second master... which tech would still asses 25 points... not sure if that’s still Phil’s position but it was at that time... pedals and prop valve and any single master is zero.. but add a second master for the balance bar and it’s 25 points ... which used to be listed as the master fpv.. but is also no longer in the rules.. I wonder if you could find a balance bar, where the two masters were a single part or maybe decide what you want then bore out a block of aluminum for the appropriate diameters and make a "single master" from two.... (or maybe just weld the two masters together)... We took the path of least resistance based on the feedback in that thread listed above... and just left it all alone... we changed our front brake rotor diameter and played with the rear pads some and were able to balance it out for the dry, wet leaves us lacking some, but less to mess with, less to have set wrong, and less to fail... I just dont see this being the item that makes you win... but certainly could make you lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAMR2 Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 11 hours ago, WilsonSteele said: Hold on, what? An adjustable proportioning valve is zero points? I understand a master cylinder, that's replacing an existing item and falls under the 2x rule (and excludes fancy bias bar sets that fall above the 2x rule) What happened to the rule, in the rule book, stating every part has a value? 4.4.2. There is NO SUCH THING as a free part, every part of a vehicle has a value. Parts not covered elsewhere in the rules will be assigned a point value by ChampCar Tech I'm pretty sure they added it to the FPV list as 0 at one point, but I see now it's no longer in there. Probably a case of trying to make the rules shorter and removing valuable information rather than wordiness and redundancy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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