Wink Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 When going through tech at Barber last month, Dan mentioned to me that next year (2018), we would no longer have to claim the roll plastic, we've made our air dam with, as it will be considered part of our splitter. I haven't been able to find any update in the BCCR touching on this. The plastic is 21 points, I could use elsewhere. Just looking for some confirmation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enginerd Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 10 minutes ago, Wink said: When going through tech at Barber last month, Dan mentioned to me that next year (2018), we would no longer have to claim the roll plastic, we've made our air dam with, as it will be considered part of our splitter. I haven't been able to find any update in the BCCR touching on this. The plastic is 21 points, I could use elsewhere. Just looking for some confirmation. In the interest of brevity, they omitted some words from the rule, but the idea is that you get the splitter and associated stuff for 10 points. Splitter not much good without air dam or adjustment linkages, so those are included. Same with 10 pt wing.. also comes with mounting stuff and adjustment stuff. Although not written in the rule book, a rear diffuser is also 10 points, and a flat belly pan is 10 points. I recently asked Phil and Mike to include these items in the rule book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wink Posted January 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 A flat bottom is 10 pts?! Damn, I've been putting off the diffuser, because I couldn't properly feed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvumtnbkr Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 14 minutes ago, Wink said: When going through tech at Barber last month, Dan mentioned to me that next year (2018), we would no longer have to claim the roll plastic, we've made our air dam with, as it will be considered part of our splitter. I haven't been able to find any update in the BCCR touching on this. The plastic is 21 points, I could use elsewhere. Just looking for some confirmation. That's pretty much what mine looks like. WE claimed 10 points. However, it looks like you have a splitter too. I think that is an additional 10 points. I could be wrong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wink Posted January 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, wvumtnbkr said: That's pretty much what mine looks like. WE claimed 10 points. However, it looks like you have a splitter too. I think that is an additional 10 points. I could be wrong... Roll Plastic 3pts/sqft Its just over 7 ft around and 14'' tall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvumtnbkr Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 Yea, I am saying that ours, that is roll plastic, was claimed as "air dam 10 pts". Tech was fine with that. The splitter sticking out of the bottom may be another 10 pts. Pic of ours (closest car, NO splitter): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Advisory Committee Andrew D Johnson Posted January 16, 2018 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 12 minutes ago, enginerd said: In the interest of brevity, they omitted some words from the rule, but the idea is that you get the splitter and associated stuff for 10 points. Splitter not much good without air dam or adjustment linkages, so those are included. Same with 10 pt wing.. also comes with mounting stuff and adjustment stuff. Although not written in the rule book, a rear diffuser is also 10 points, and a flat belly pan is 10 points. I recently asked Phil and Mike to include these items in the rule book. @Mopar 63 Is this correct? 10 point splitter 10 point wing 10 point diffuser 10 point belly pan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvumtnbkr Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 • wings/splitters (carbon fiber not allowed): 10 pts/ea That is the rule in the rulebook. 2 minutes ago, red0 said: @Mopar 63 Is this correct? 10 point splitter 10 point wing 10 point diffuser 10 point belly pan 10 point airdam FTFY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Advisory Committee Andrew D Johnson Posted January 16, 2018 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, wvumtnbkr said: • wings/splitters (carbon fiber not allowed): 10 pts/ea That is the rule in the rulebook. Then diffusers and belly pans are valued by square footage of material used, correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wink Posted January 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, red0 said: Then diffusers and belly pans are valued by square footage of material used, correct? That was always my interpretation. Main reason I hadn't even considered a flat bottom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvumtnbkr Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 minute ago, red0 said: Then diffusers and belly pans are valued by square footage of material used, correct? whoa there buddy. I didn't say that! I believe any individual aero device is 10 pts as long as it isn't made out of unobtainium. I know the rulebook doesn't say that exactly, but that was how I understood it from some earlier threads. oh yeah , 10 point spoiler.... So, to reiterate... On the front of the car.... 10 points for a splitter or an airdam. Rear of car: 10 points spoiler or wing or diffuser. Middle: 10 points undertray. This is my opinion.... But, Tech has agreed with me on the airdam and spoiler.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvumtnbkr Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 From the wings vs spoilers vs I cant remember thread.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enginerd Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 10 minutes ago, wvumtnbkr said: So, to reiterate... On the front of the car.... 10 points for a splitter or an airdam. So are you saying that if you have an airdam and put a lip on the bottom, it becomes 20 points total? @red0 This is why I am pushing for the rule to be inked... if it isn't in the rulebook at 10 points, then any intelligent person would conclude that the point value of diffuser / bellypan would be determined by material and surface area. Quote phil.mckinney@champcar.org Jan 8 (8 days ago) to me, Michael We may add it in the future. Its 10 points as long as it doesn't go past the rear dif. Same as your front splitter (10 points) and it can't go past the front spindles. If you cover your center under carriage its also 10 points. Phil McKinney Director Tech & Safety Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDChristianson Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 26 minutes ago, red0 said: Then diffusers and belly pans are valued by square footage of material used, correct? If this were true, would there be a really fast E30 with all of the aero and still 500pts or less? Is it just me or is a direct correlation to efforts for brevity in the rules and how confusing they are to try and understand??????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 Things should go into the BCCR so everyone can know and understand the rules. Or, put them on the tech sheet. This would save to poor tech guys hundreds of emails per year. Or, save them from explaining the same thing over and over a hundred times a year at different races in tech. It would also help new teams from having to guess. The rules need to help save tech from headaches, not invite them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moortom Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 My understanding was that a combined airdam + splitter like the one in the first post or on the GWR e30 is 10pts total, not 20pts. But like with every other rule, we probably all understood it differently and need confirmation from @Mopar 63 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 52 minutes ago, moortom said: My understanding was that a combined airdam + splitter like the one in the first post or on the GWR e30 is 10pts total, not 20pts. But like with every other rule, we probably all understood it differently and need confirmation from @Mopar 63 We have a combined splitter and airdam like the Miata pictured and have only ever paid 10 points total for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABR-Glen Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 Rule interpretations are like...something everyone has one of. This forum has become a near constant reminder of why EC is the best ruleset ChampCar has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mender Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 Extremely Cheaty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jab31169 Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, mender said: Extremely Cheaty. Exceptionally Classy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABR-Glen Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 Extra Cheesey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alchemy Autosport Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 hour ago, moortom said: My understanding was that a combined airdam + splitter like the one in the first post or on the GWR e30 is 10pts total, not 20pts. But like with every other rule, we probably all understood it differently and need confirmation from @Mopar 63 We have been told that same thing in tech in the west. Splitter AND/OR Air Dam is 10pts total Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moortom Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 here we go again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alchemy Autosport Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 I think this one is easy. A good few teams from across the country have heard the same interpretation of the rule, with an outlying data point that was clearly wrong. to change it from 10pts for a Air Dam AND/OR Splitter would screw up a lot of teams at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wink Posted January 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 Well good, the car isnt at 500 yet anyway, but hearing the flat bottom will only be 10, instead of by sq ft, is great news. However I do feel, there should be some aero clarification in the BCCR, but grey areas seem to be the norm, as the series grows and cars develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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