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Hi all. 

 

I have a question regarding the definition of a Platform Swap. I've been reading the rules, and was hoping for some clarification. 

 

My team is planning on using a 92 Geo Metro (150pts) and swapping in the powertrain from a 98 Metro (200pts). Although the cars look different, they are identical under the skin, minus a few sensors for obd2, air bags, etc. 

 

If I'm understanding the rules correctly, my 92 Metro would then acquire the points for the 98 Metro, making it now a 200pt car vs the 150pt it was originally? 

 

Am I understanding this correctly? 

 

Thanks! 

 

Kyle

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2 hours ago, TchDwnUGA said:

Hi all. 

 

I have a question regarding the definition of a Platform Swap. I've been reading the rules, and was hoping for some clarification. 

 

My team is planning on using a 92 Geo Metro (150pts) and swapping in the powertrain from a 98 Metro (200pts). Although the cars look different, they are identical under the skin, minus a few sensors for obd2, air bags, etc. 

 

If I'm understanding the rules correctly, my 92 Metro would then acquire the points for the 98 Metro, making it now a 200pt car vs the 150pt it was originally? 

 

Am I understanding this correctly? 

 

Thanks! 

 

Kyle

Yep, you are correct.

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6 hours ago, TchDwnUGA said:

I have a question regarding the definition of a Platform Swap. I've been reading the rules, and was hoping for some clarification. 

 

My team is planning on using a 92 Geo Metro (150pts) and swapping in the powertrain from a 98 Metro (200pts). Although the cars look different, they are identical under the skin, minus a few sensors for obd2, air bags, etc. 

 

If I'm understanding the rules correctly, my 92 Metro would then acquire the points for the 98 Metro, making it now a 200pt car vs the 150pt it was originally? 

 

Am I understanding this correctly? 

Not quite.

 

Your situation won't work because they are different body styles... the premise is... "if you can make a version A car indistinguishable from a version B, you can claim that it is actually version B and use version B starting points"

 

In all seriousness, you are going to find that sub 100 HP isn't going to cut it, so it would be best to start with the lower point car to give yourself enough points to swap drivetrain and other stuff. 

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On 1/30/2018 at 6:14 AM, TiredBirds said:

I'm guessing you could drop a small block in a metro and nobody would bat an eye.

I'd love it.

 

But a 1000 cc Thundercat 2 stroke would likely actually fit.

 

A 175hp (stock. 200 with porting and pipes) Metro would be fun.

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16 minutes ago, mender said:

I've heard of it. I'd rather do the two stroke though. More powah. Stock was 120 torque iirc.

 

Doing the "cvt" might be problematic however.  Probably not as bad as what they went through though.

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3 hours ago, Team Infiniti said:

Ummm, haven't seen this?

Meet Balto

 

I had but forgot about it. The 700 Yammy in that car is way down on power compared to Mr. Thunder. (Our Canuck friends are sure to verify)

 

Came through traffic well.

 

Says something though, doesn't it? 

 

Edit The only thing that beats a 20 year old Tcat is a boost turned up new sled. Stock, from factory, the Tcat is still the world's fastest sled. 20 years later.

 

Edit That heavy track soaks a lot of power when you spin it up. While they ran 121 mph in 1000 feet, 0 to 60 was under 2 seconds on radar. Pretty impressive for a 700+ sled.

 

Remember well the reaction of a guy seeing it launch on ice at Lake Delton; "Jesus Christ..."

 

And after he asked, "Yeah, it's stock."

 

Then I ran the ZR440. A bit slower... almost 6000 engagement on that was fun. Tcat was 3500.

 

Just reminiscing now,  most here don't know sleds, but the T Cat would cruise at 100mph like nothing. Ate up rail trails and my thumb got tired holding them barely open.

 

Crack it and the skis came up. 100mph. Stock. (Well, revised jetting No pipes.)

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On 1/30/2018 at 11:16 AM, enginerd said:

Not quite.

 

Your situation won't work because they are different body styles... the premise is... "if you can make a version A car indistinguishable from a version B, you can claim that it is actually version B and use version B starting points"

 

In all seriousness, you are going to find that sub 100 HP isn't going to cut it, so it would be best to start with the lower point car to give yourself enough points to swap drivetrain and other stuff. 

Ok, since this doesn't appear to actually be a platform swap, is there still a rule in place requiring me to provide "Ads" showing the cost of the engine that I'm swapping in?

 

Thanks!

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7 hours ago, TchDwnUGA said:

Ok, since this doesn't appear to actually be a platform swap, is there still a rule in place requiring me to provide "Ads" showing the cost of the engine that I'm swapping in?

 

Thanks!

    There is a $1500 limit on engine and parts cost , you have to use the swap calculator and it uses horsepower differance to determine the points added .. with the 50 point base cost ..

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14 hours ago, TchDwnUGA said:

Ok, since this doesn't appear to actually be a platform swap, is there still a rule in place requiring me to provide "Ads" showing the cost of the engine that I'm swapping in?

 

Thanks!

 

6 hours ago, okkustom said:

    There is a $1500 limit on engine and parts cost , you have to use the swap calculator and it uses horsepower differance to determine the points added .. with the 50 point base cost ..

I think the $1500 is a “show your receipts” thing.

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6 hours ago, okkustom said:

    There is a $1500 limit on engine and parts cost , you have to use the swap calculator and it uses horsepower differance to determine the points added .. with the 50 point base cost ..

WOW I can build one HELL of a SBC for $1500, I'll even keep it at 305 cubic inches

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14 minutes ago, TiredBirds said:

WOW I can build one HELL of a SBC for $1500, I'll even keep it at 305 cubic inches

 

The "parts" are to make the swap work, not to spend on aftermarket internals like cam/heads/etc.  All bits not claimed must be OE.

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3 minutes ago, TiredBirds said:

Ok I'll spend $1498 on the engine and 2 $1 bolts to make it fit...

Have fun! I don't know what overpaying for an engine will get you though. Most of the engines on the VPI table are much less than that. Especially the big cheap American V8s that a person like yourself would be swapping in.

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1 hour ago, enginerd said:

Have fun! I don't know what overpaying for an engine will get you though. Most of the engines on the VPI table are much less than that. Especially the big cheap American V8s that a person like yourself would be swapping in.

well if I can spend $1500 on motor and associated parts I can do  lot of upgrades for $1498. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy in the rule. 

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