Chris Shay Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 Lets say I can get Hawk pads for free... Will any of their compounds last a weekend at Road America? That track is one of the hardest tracks on brakes. I did a forum search and mostly saw people switching away from Hawk Blue's to ST43. We currently run ST43. Which Hawk pad would last the longest? Thanks, Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shutupracing Posted February 17, 2018 Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 Probably not. But if they are free you can run one set Saturday, one set Sunday. It's going to be very hard for anyone to chime in on this with reliable information unless they have similar weight and top end speed as your car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottyk Posted February 17, 2018 Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 Were close in speed, weight (were the fat kid) . We sometimes run hawk blues at RA, you will need to change after 8hrs. ST43 will last 16+ at RA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiredBirds Posted February 17, 2018 Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 we ran Hawk pads for quite a few races. They held up well even on our heavy F-body with stock discs (4 wheel) they did however show signs of cracking. We have since upgraded to a C5/6 set-up from bigbrakeupgrade.com. At that time we went with a Wilwood pad upfront (same compound as ST43). Still using hawks out back I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55mini Posted February 17, 2018 Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 I would say you might get 8 hours but not likely out of Hawks. We got about 8 the last time we ran them but also on metal at the end and had to change rotors, pads and a caliper which got damaged by burning thru the backing plate. Maybe if you don't use the brake pedal it will help as there is lots of run off to slow you down :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tneker Posted February 17, 2018 Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 We can get a race weekend out of a set of hawk blues on our neon with mediocre cooling ducts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABR-Glen Posted February 17, 2018 Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 As expected, this is very much a YMMV topic. Depending on which rotors/calipers we were running at the time we went from needing to change pads overnight to one set lasting all weekend (at RA). Once you get them over a certain operating temp the wear increases dramatically. I haven't run the ST43 on my car, but rent in another car that uses them. I believe you will see less pad life (and more rotor life) if you switch to blues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z06LOL Posted February 17, 2018 Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 We run Hawk blues on our miata with zero brake ducting they last a minimum of 16 hours for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators E. Tyler Pedersen Posted February 17, 2018 Administrators Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 An event a couple of years ago in the BMW we had some hawk blues from the purchase of the car. Ran them and they didn't even get us 7 hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeHeitzRules Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 Ran the hawk blues at RA twice. Both times we got horrible brake shutter by the end of one day. We have pretty good brake ducting as well. Our car is a CRX(third grear pulls) so it uses more front brake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhr650 Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 I don’t know about pad life at Road America, but in the Hawk brake pad line the Blues are way down in performance compared to their more modern compounds. We run DTC60 front and DTC30 rear and get really good brake life with much better feel and modulation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55mini Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 1 hour ago, mhr650 said: I don’t know about pad life at Road America, but in the Hawk brake pad line the Blues are way down in performance compared to their more modern compounds. We run DTC60 front and DTC30 rear and get really good brake life with much better feel and modulation. Agree that is a great package for the Miata as well...........but not up to the task at Road America when running our car to full speed. Something about those long straights down to a 90 stuff just burns up. With the DTC60/DTC30 combo we got almost eight hours if metal to metal counts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurljohn Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 Chris what is your brake setup, weight and topspeed? what is your pad shape? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Shay Posted February 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 I'm moving to Wilwood FSL calipers next year. 0.8" thick pads. Weight is 2,800 lbs, top speed is 123. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurljohn Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 Our pad shape is a bit bigger than yours but the rest is the same except race weight is a bit higher. At Road Atl we used about 1/2 pad thickness with roughly 13 hours on track. Caveat that we were all new at the track so probably not super hard on the brakes. These were hawk Blues on a 12.7" rotor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Shay Posted February 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 10 hours ago, Hurljohn said: Our pad shape is a bit bigger than yours but the rest is the same except race weight is a bit higher. At Road Atl we used about 1/2 pad thickness with roughly 13 hours on track. Caveat that we were all new at the track so probably not super hard on the brakes. These were hawk Blues on a 12.7" rotor. Good to know, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jab31169 Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 We got about 10 hours at Road Atl and a little more than 8 at Barber's out of DTC-60's. Needless to say, we will be moving to a longer lasting compound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbqman Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 While blues remain Hawk's go to pad, I can tell you that with several hundred sets of sales of pads to track and race customers that the DTC60 pad is much more user friendly and durable than the blues. That being said, our Neon- with a large diameter disc, gets away with HP+ pads and gets 2 weekends out of set- makes no sense but its true. The majority of my Chump customers that race Hondas use the DTc60 and get a whole weekend out of them. My BMW customers use PFC 08s and get 2 weekends out of them- but PFC doesn't offer many shapes for Hondas. For a Miata, I can't see why you couldn't get the same wear levels as a Honda with DTC60s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 23 hours ago, Jab31169 said: We got about 10 hours at Road Atl and a little more than 8 at Barber's out of DTC-60's. Needless to say, we will be moving to a longer lasting compound. Interesting as we get more than double that out of our DT60's. They ARE a little grabby on initial bite for my liking and we may move to another pad. Not due to pad life though. We also don't have ABS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jab31169 Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 29 minutes ago, Snake said: Interesting as we get more than double that out of our DT60's. They ARE a little grabby on initial bite for my liking and we may move to another pad. Not due to pad life though. We also don't have ABS ABS? Whats that? Ours don't work...yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slugworks Paul Posted March 6, 2018 Report Share Posted March 6, 2018 We got the best life out of the HT-10 compound; at most tracks 1 set would last a day. At Road america we'd be on the backing before the end of the day. But this does depend 100% on your car/brake setup so it's pointless discussing it generally like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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