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6 minutes ago, JDChristianson said:

Send in your justification anytime.  

 

1992–1997 SC 300 JZZ31 3.0 L I6 2JZ-GE 4-AT/5-MT 225 hp (168 kW)[56] 210 ft⋅lbf (280 N⋅m) @4800 rpm[5

500pts  

 

330i (EU) /
330ci (EU)[55][56][57]
2000–2006 M54B30
6-cyl
170 kW (228 hp) 300 N⋅m (221 lb⋅ft)
330i (US) /
330ci (US)[58][59]
168 kW (225 hp) 290 N⋅m (214 lb⋅ft)

530pts

 

This is an honest question and not complaining, we run a e36 and will continue to do so.  We really enjoy champcar.  If the bar is set by the sc300 with the hp and fuel.  Will others follow?

Is it the age of the vehicles? Weights are fairly similar with a slight advantage to the bmw but the sc has alot more fuel.  

 

Just trying to get a better understanding of how they determine the vpi

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13 minutes ago, Aquafi Racing said:

 

1992–1997 SC 300 JZZ31 3.0 L I6 2JZ-GE 4-AT/5-MT 225 hp (168 kW)[56] 210 ft⋅lbf (280 N⋅m) @4800 rpm[5

500pts  

 

330i (EU) /
330ci (EU)[55][56][57]
2000–2006 M54B30
6-cyl
170 kW (228 hp) 300 N⋅m (221 lb⋅ft)
330i (US) /
330ci (US)[58][59]
168 kW (225 hp) 290 N⋅m (214 lb⋅ft)

530pts

 

This is an honest question and not complaining, we run a e36 and will continue to do so.  We really enjoy champcar.  If the bar is set by the sc300 with the hp and fuel.  Will others follow?

Is it the age of the vehicles? Weights are fairly similar with a slight advantage to the bmw but the sc has alot more fuel.  

 

Just trying to get a better understanding of how they determine the vpi

All very good questions 

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1 hour ago, Aquafi Racing said:

 

1992–1997 SC 300 JZZ31 3.0 L I6 2JZ-GE 4-AT/5-MT 225 hp (168 kW)[56] 210 ft⋅lbf (280 N⋅m) @4800 rpm[5

500pts  

 

330i (EU) /
330ci (EU)[55][56][57]
2000–2006 M54B30
6-cyl
170 kW (228 hp) 300 N⋅m (221 lb⋅ft)
330i (US) /
330ci (US)[58][59]
168 kW (225 hp) 290 N⋅m (214 lb⋅ft)

530pts

 

This is an honest question and not complaining, we run a e36 and will continue to do so.  We really enjoy champcar.  If the bar is set by the sc300 with the hp and fuel.  Will others follow?

Is it the age of the vehicles? Weights are fairly similar with a slight advantage to the bmw but the sc has alot more fuel.  

 

Just trying to get a better understanding of how they determine the vpi

 

Disclaimer: I race an SC300.  Anyway, I'll take a stab.  M54B30 is all aluminum dual vanos, car is lighter, suspension is better out of the box.  The SC can be an awesome platform, but it just takes a little more to get it race worthy.  That's about all I got off the top of my head.

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1 minute ago, Team Infiniti said:

You want a sequential manual transmission shifted by the computer to be a 500 hundred point car?

 

 Green font * I want my car to be 50 point* Green font 

The transmission was really just joking, really just asking if the platform was really worth 3+ laps over the sc.  I think they stand shoulder to shoulder, I'm not exactly sure but doubt the 330 would make 2 hours.  Just asking questions as I only got to watch the charlotte race and the sc300 looked pretty strong.  Good team with alot of good drivers, to bad about the mechanical issues.

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26 minutes ago, Wittenauer Racing said:

Do you have any kind of published comparison of lap time between an SMG and a true manual car? I know of the early generations of SMG's were a lot more "miss" than "hit", but I don't really have an idea of how much better or worse the SMG is.

 

Heck if it's real bad you might qualify as an automatic :P

I do not, I like the idea of it.  watched some very cool videos but actually putting it in the car would be hard as it looks like a nightmare to service.

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4 minutes ago, Aquafi Racing said:

I do not, I like the idea of it.  watched some very cool videos but actually putting it in the car would be hard as it looks like a nightmare to service.

 

Yea, I've heard of plenty of people converting the early SMG's into manual boxes as cars with broken SMG's tend to be cheap and it's not that hard to convert it back to 3 pedals. 

 

I think discussion of SMG's and how to handle them is important though as more and more new cars have them. Need to decide what they count as or if it's a case by case or if we give the SMG models their own VPi?

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Having raced the 330 E46s in WRL and having raced SC300's in Champ these are my thoughts. 

 

The SC300 is one of the best cars in Champ no doubt, probably undervalued at 500 points if anything. The 330 E46 smokes the Lexus. 

 

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16 minutes ago, red0 said:

Having raced the 330 E46s in WRL and having raced SC300's in Champ these are my thoughts. 

 

The SC300 is one of the best cars in Champ no doubt, probably undervalued at 500 points if anything. The 330 E46 smokes the Lexus. 

 

I’d figure most of the ones running in WRL are some form of SpecE46 setup. Is that the case of the ones you were in? If so, id imagine that the E46 smokes the SC.

 

I’d agree the SC is undervalued.

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18 minutes ago, jakks said:

I’d figure most of the ones running in WRL are some form of SpecE46 setup. Is that the case of the ones you were in? If so, id imagine that the E46 smokes the SC.

  

I’d agree the SC is undervalued.

 

I didn't say the SC was undervalued, I said "it is undervalued, if anything" :). I think the value is OK-ish at 500 points. I don't like the idea of raising a cars value over 500 after so many people already have them built etc. 

The E46's were built less than what you can do in Chump rules. 

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13 minutes ago, red0 said:

 

I didn't say the SC was undervalued, I said "it is undervalued, if anything" :). I think the value is OK-ish at 500 points. I don't like the idea of raising a cars value over 500 after so many people already have them built etc. 

The E46's were built less than what you can do in Chump rules. 

So if the sc300 is ok at 500 and the 330 may be raising the bar to far from what everyone is saying would it be fair to say the 189hp e36 may be a little heavy at 500 pts.  I think alot of teams would welcome an adjustment to that car.

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21 minutes ago, Bill Strong said:

An e30, Honda Integra, e46, Miata all beat the sc300.

Did you read the race report from the sc300 team?

 

I can’t comment on the integra/e30/e46/ and Miata, but that sc300 was far from “fighting form”.

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1 hour ago, Aquafi Racing said:

So if the sc300 is ok at 500 and the 330 may be raising the bar to far from what everyone is saying would it be fair to say the 189hp e36 may be a little heavy at 500 pts.  I think alot of teams would welcome an adjustment to that car.

 

Things I think will happen before the e36 gets a point adjustment:

 

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