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1 hour ago, mender said:

That's not a NASCAR attitude, that's a millenial rich kid attitude.

 

Exactly!!!

As much as some folks think of NASCAR as some type of professional "lemons" series, I have always been a fan, for some of the following reasons;

- there's a whole lot more technology than some people give it credit for.

- the strides they've made in safety speak for themselves when you see 3400 lb PROJECTILES hitting things at 200mph, and violent rolls that drivers can now walk away from.

- 99.9% of the drivers I see in NASCAR are proud AND THANKFUL to be where they're at, unlike this punk above!

- Nascar folks are not afraid to show their love of country and God. (there's a bit of political correctness now in modern times, but not as much as you see in some sports or entertainment venues.)

- the colorful history is a story (or many stories) of good, old American hard work ethic, with a good bit of fun mixed in with it. (ex: "running 'shine out of Alabam...")

- Nascar owners have vowed to fire anyone who does not honor our flag.

- Military fly-overs and servicemen and women are prominently displayed and honored at every race. They don't go to commercials when it's time for the national anthem!!!

- Church services are held for the competitors and their families each Sunday race morning, and recently, the campgrounds surrounding the track hold them for fans too.

- We not only honor our own, but here at MIS, the Canadian National Anthem is always played BEFORE our own, in respect for our friendly neighbors.

- the family aspect of it, both competitors and fans alike. (a good example was how pissed off race fans were last summer at how country music festival fans 'trashed' MIS with garbage, etc. That track is hallowed ground to many in my locality, including myself.)

- many iof the competitors give back to the community through charitable trusts and efforts put forth, despite many of them living through very tough situations. A great example of this is the Petty gang fulfilling Adam's wish, creating the 'Victory Junction" camp for disabled kids. That's just one of many...

This became longer than I thought it would, and I could go on - but I think you can catch my drift... I'm sure there are those that will still disagree, but I'll just shake my head in disbelief...

Yeah, some of the 'racing' these days isn't so great, one example being the crashfest at Daytona this past weekend - but I can put up with that vs. all the good I see in the sport...

 

 

 

 

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On 7/11/2018 at 11:34 AM, mcoppola said:

Exactly!!!

As much as some folks think of NASCAR as some type of professional "lemons" series, I have always been a fan, for some of the following reasons;

- there's a whole lot more technology than some people give it credit for.

- the strides they've made in safety speak for themselves when you see 3400 lb PROJECTILES hitting things at 200mph, and violent rolls that drivers can now walk away from.

- 99.9% of the drivers I see in NASCAR are proud AND THANKFUL to be where they're at, unlike this punk above!

- Nascar folks are not afraid to show their love of country and God. (there's a bit of political correctness now in modern times, but not as much as you see in some sports or entertainment venues.)

- the colorful history is a story (or many stories) of good, old American hard work ethic, with a good bit of fun mixed in with it. (ex: "running 'shine out of Alabam...")

- Nascar owners have vowed to fire anyone who does not honor our flag.

- Military fly-overs and servicemen and women are prominently displayed and honored at every race. They don't go to commercials when it's time for the national anthem!!!

- Church services are held for the competitors and their families each Sunday race morning, and recently, the campgrounds surrounding the track hold them for fans too.

- We not only honor our own, but here at MIS, the Canadian National Anthem is always played BEFORE our own, in respect for our friendly neighbors.

- the family aspect of it, both competitors and fans alike. (a good example was how pissed off race fans were last summer at how country music festival fans 'trashed' MIS with garbage, etc. That track is hallowed ground to many in my locality, including myself.)

- many iof the competitors give back to the community through charitable trusts and efforts put forth, despite many of them living through very tough situations. A great example of this is the Petty gang fulfilling Adam's wish, creating the 'Victory Junction" camp for disabled kids. That's just one of many...

This became longer than I thought it would, and I could go on - but I think you can catch my drift... I'm sure there are those that will still disagree, but I'll just shake my head in disbelief...

Yeah, some of the 'racing' these days isn't so great, one example being the crashfest at Daytona this past weekend - but I can put up with that vs. all the good I see in the sport...

 

 

 

 

While I understand your points above....

 

Nobody is bashing NASCAR for those points.

 

People Bash nascar because the races are too long, the points are silly and horribly manipulated, the technology (on the car, not in the pits and race shops) is outdated.

 

Hell, Nascar just got fuel injection like 4 or 5 years ago.  Until recently, Nascar cars all had 4 speeds, carbs, and a stick axle.  You couldnt even buy a truck like that.

 

My biggest complaint is the races too long and the silly points system and manufactured drama that comes with it. You cant even turn on a race to watch and understand who the hell is ACTUALLY leading the race overall....

 

 

I am open minded enough that I would be interested to hear about what technology they are using that is new or interesting.

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Oh, I get that.

 

However, the Nascar cars are really not that technologically advanced.  The article quoted, while interesting and does show the difference between the engines at that point in time, doesn't really describe anything except what engineers can do with specific rule sets.

 

Maybe my idea of technology is off.

 

I see things like hybrids (yes, i know they have been around since the early 1900s), turbos (early 1930s or so), pneumatic valves, electronically controlled transmissions, Aero, etc as technology. 

 

An iron, 90 degree, 16 valve, V8 with a throttle body on it....  Not so much. 

 

Is it absolutely amazing what they can achieve with those restrictions?  Hell YES!  Do I want one of the those engines?  Hell YES!  

 

I guess it comes down to this:  I would rather have a fairly open playing field and see what wild and new ideas people can come up with that are "radical".  When a series is a "spec" series, the people are just as smart and the solutions are just as ingenious.  However, the results of those smarts and that genius is not as radical.  It is tough to "see" the technology on a cup car. The efforts into making a spec car better than all the other spec cars is arguably MORE difficult and requires new and better tech (in the shop) than an "open" series.  For me, I would rather see the crazy ideas and impacts that vary widely versus seeing one spec car move .00001mph faster than the other spec cars. 

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   You will like what you like. I get that. NASCAR has never been about Technology. Self evident. It is about who is the best driver and team. Always has been. 

 

   F1 is about engineering. Yes the drivers are fantastic but it is all about who has found the latest innovation under the current rules. F1 goes entire SEASONS without a pass on the track for a lead. Car numbers are dwindling yearly because of the obscene costs involved. If a driver gets close to another the announcers almost crap in there seats. I immensely enjoy F1. Unfortunately it is mind numbingly boring racing at most of the races. One knows it’s bad when there is more strategy in when to to pit for improvements than on the track and actual overtaking. The cars are as brittle as a Christmas bulb. Even if you wanted to pass it can be a huge risk. One touch and Your waving to the crowd. I agree with you about letting the rules  open enough for innovation. Just remember why 90 percent of the fans go to races. They could care less what the latest hybrid formula is. You know it’s bad when the teams engineers work hard at the air Behind the car as much as directing oncoming air. 

 

   There is serious changes coming to NASCAR.  I agree the new points system is........different. (I have no idea why they came up with this sh-t. ) 

 

  NASCAR’s biggest problem is the boomers are gone and the new drivers lacking character. The racing has become a crash fest. As you stated it is spec Miatas with V8’s. The cars are inexpensive enough to replace weekly. The current drivers are using the cars as a weapons ever week with the drama of a teen movie. It is alienating the enthusiasts who now view NASCAR as a weekly situation comedy. (Me for one) The cars no longer look anything like what is at the dealership. They have lost there way. 

 

  The current rules are trying to make the cars more competitive. It is not working. In the past they took AWAY the things that made one car better than another. Now the give more aero, lower the car and share a common body except for the nose piece and cannot understand why they are losing their fan base. 

 

  Just balance the car, reduce the tire size and get rid of the non factory valances. Do not try to be something there are not. Put the “ Stock “ back in National Association of Stock Car Auto Racing. 

 

  Just an opinion. 

 

On 7/12/2018 at 3:06 PM, wvumtnbkr said:

Oh, I get that.

 

However, the Nascar cars are really not that technologically advanced.  The article quoted, while interesting and does show the difference between the engines at that point in time, doesn't really describe anything except what engineers can do with specific rule sets.

 

Maybe my idea of technology is off.

 

I see things like hybrids (yes, i know they have been around since the early 1900s), turbos (early 1930s or so), pneumatic valves, electronically controlled transmissions, Aero, etc as technology. 

 

An iron, 90 degree, 16 valve, V8 with a throttle body on it....  Not so much. 

 

Is it absolutely amazing what they can achieve with those restrictions?  Hell YES!  Do I want one of the those engines?  Hell YES!  

 

I guess it comes down to this:  I would rather have a fairly open playing field and see what wild and new ideas people can come up with that are "radical".  When a series is a "spec" series, the people are just as smart and the solutions are just as ingenious.  However, the results of those smarts and that genius is not as radical.  It is tough to "see" the technology on a cup car. The efforts into making a spec car better than all the other spec cars is arguably MORE difficult and requires new and better tech (in the shop) than an "open" series.  For me, I would rather see the crazy ideas and impacts that vary widely versus seeing one spec car move .00001mph faster than the other spec cars. 

 

 

 

  

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About 15-16 years ago I was at a truck race somewhere I can't remember down south when I was working in NASCAR. Kyle Bush  was standing by me while I was talking to the Minister from MRO. He was such a nice elderly man with an non stop smile. The Minister introduced himself to Bush and talked to him for a minute.  We were standing by some garbage cans and when the conversation ended Bush threw the business card the Minister handed Bush in the garbage can right in front of him. After words i saw the smile leave for a second, he hesitated for a moment, shook his head in disbelief and walked away. I ran back to the Minister and handed him back the card from the trash can, thanked him for stopping me to introduce himself and told him I couldn't believe what I just witnessed. He laughed, put his hand on my shoulder and gave me a blessing.  I remember it because it was such a low class thing to do. 

 

I worked in the sport and in 2002-4 it was becoming so corporate that it really turned me off. They were moving to specialists so speed secrets were harder to assemble making employees less likely to make a change of scenery. Integrated thinking became something that was punished instead of rewarded. The 3 for 1 hires from the UTI - Nascar school that went up in Mooresville churned out worker drones that were worth about $20k in salary and it took 3 of them to match the output of REAL talent. So guys like me weren't desirable.  I mad it to crew chief and once that happens you can't go backwards. Crew chiefs don't hire crew chiefs was all I heard when job searching Me and Rodney Childers were competing for one race deals with small teams and he had his parents credit card and could work for free and I couldn't. This was after the 911 and the whole series was turned upside looking for sponsors.  As small teams couldn't afford a warehouse full of specialists we became a band of talent without any job security. It wasn't until about 2008-10 that the teams started to figure out the 3 for 1 duel was a massive failure.  Roush, Petty, Evernham and Childress were some of the most effected.  Those teams had signed contracts to hire UTI-Nascar students. That is why those teams had slumps in second half of the first decode of the 21st century.  Contracts expired and they all became competitive again.

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1 hour ago, JBgotM said:

If he went to NASCAR, he would likely end up with multiple bloody noses. Those circle track country boys don't take kindly to affluenza.

Interesting. Not many "country boys " left in NASCAR. Just the smashmouth mentality. 

  The issue with F1 drivers coming to NASCAR is 1.5 ton cars with primitive brakes and a live axle. Montoya won zero races on an oval. Cannot compare Indy cars to stock cars let alone F1 units. 

 Can't  Take a pilot from an F15 to a C130. But you can go from a C130 to an F15.

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10 minutes ago, Cam Benty said:

Interesting. Not many "country boys " left in NASCAR. Just the smashmouth mentality. 

  The issue with F1 drivers coming to NASCAR is 1.5 ton cars with primitive brakes and a live axle. Montoya won zero races on an oval. Cannot compare Indy cars to stock cars let alone F1 units. 

 Can't  Take a pilot from an F15 to a C130. But you can go from a C130 to an F15.

Just to clarify... I was saying "country boys" as more of a cultural reference.

 

I wasn't referring to anything about driver skill, car comparisons, talent portability, intelligence, etc

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