Terminator58 Posted September 8, 2018 Report Share Posted September 8, 2018 Is anybody able to explain to me why the V6 Camaro/Firebird had a 100 point increase from 350 to 450 in 2001 into 2002? As far as I can tell they remained largely unchanged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karman1970 Posted September 9, 2018 Report Share Posted September 9, 2018 I'm pretty confident that is a remnant from the old days. I would take it up with Tech. There are several vehicles with odd/absurd values from years back that have never been adjusted because no one races those vehicles or it has never been brought to the attention of those in charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoparBoyy Posted September 9, 2018 Report Share Posted September 9, 2018 maybe they just messed up the 4th to 5th gen model year switch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBone Posted September 10, 2018 Report Share Posted September 10, 2018 8 hours ago, MoparBoyy said: maybe they just messed up the 4th to 5th gen model year switch? 4th gen ended in 2002. 5th gen didn't come along until 2009. Karman is probably right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoparBoyy Posted September 10, 2018 Report Share Posted September 10, 2018 9 hours ago, TBone said: 4th gen ended in 2002. 5th gen didn't come along until 2009. Karman is probably right. there was no Camaros from 03-08? learn something new everyday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quicker10u Posted September 10, 2018 Report Share Posted September 10, 2018 Yea, Ours is a fourth Gen 99'. 350 pts base. No changes from 99-02 for the V6 cars. Early 4th gen (94-97-some 98' cars had smaller brakes, less power, etc) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiredBirds Posted September 10, 2018 Report Share Posted September 10, 2018 Gen III is where it's at...lol as mentioned the later Gen IV's had better parts and better HP numbers. The best bang for the buck F-body is Gen II. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminator58 Posted September 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2018 Cool, thanks for the help guys! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBraden Posted October 4, 2018 Report Share Posted October 4, 2018 On 9/10/2018 at 9:32 AM, TiredBirds said: Gen III is where it's at...lol as mentioned the later Gen IV's had better parts and better HP numbers. The best bang for the buck F-body is Gen II. How heavy are the Gen II vs the Gen III / Gen IV if you happen to know. Also, I would love to race a Gen II but they are incredibly overpriced around my neck of the woods. A shell with a moldy interior seems to fetch $2500 if the asking prices are any indication. Meanwhile I can buy a running driving e46 330i for less than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karman1970 Posted October 4, 2018 Report Share Posted October 4, 2018 They were pretty portly by the end of their run, but I don't think they ever weighed more than a same-year Corvette. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiredBirds Posted October 4, 2018 Report Share Posted October 4, 2018 58 minutes ago, CBraden said: How heavy are the Gen II vs the Gen III / Gen IV if you happen to know. Also, I would love to race a Gen II but they are incredibly overpriced around my neck of the woods. A shell with a moldy interior seems to fetch $2500 if the asking prices are any indication. Meanwhile I can buy a running driving e46 330i for less than that. Gen II's are about 3400 (lighter before 74), Gen III's are about 3250 and IV's are about 3400. Not a huge difference. The thing about Gen II's is the geometry is better, that's why lots of "street stock" leagues don't allow them. And for Chump the points are low. Gen III's (firebirds) are one of the most aerodynamic cars made and can be had cheap. Gen VI's have better suspension and brake packages. Oh and I go this 99 540i sport 6 speed for $4700 with a new front end, all new chain tensioners, belts, hoses... It runs and drives like a brand new car. Wish I could race it.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommytipover Posted October 4, 2018 Report Share Posted October 4, 2018 Gen II vs. Gen III. How about "as raced" weight? Do the weights stay pretty much proportional once you start gutting? Or does one lighten up better than the other? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiredBirds Posted October 4, 2018 Report Share Posted October 4, 2018 19 minutes ago, tommytipover said: Gen II vs. Gen III. How about "as raced" weight? Do the weights stay pretty much proportional once you start gutting? Or does one lighten up better than the other? That is a good question. The added weight in 74+ is because of the Gov mandated 5mph bumpers. The Gen VI's have a lot of plastic. If I had to guess I'd wager the Gen III can be made the lightest. There is a LOT of stuff you can cut. The inner door impact bars weigh like 45bs each. I bet our gutted hood lost another 40lbs. Rear window is HEAVY...really heavy. We are going Lexan on the new build...Hard tops are lighter than t-tops too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ross2004 Posted October 4, 2018 Report Share Posted October 4, 2018 Our 3rd gen is 3050 with no driver. There's a little more weight that could come out...but not a lot, and at a pretty high effort/pound level. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cagedruss Posted October 4, 2018 Report Share Posted October 4, 2018 4 hours ago, TiredBirds said: Gen II's are about 3400 (lighter before 74), Gen III's are about 3250 and IV's are about 3400. Not a huge difference. The thing about Gen II's is the geometry is better, that's why lots of "street stock" leagues don't allow them. And for Chump the points are low. Gen III's (firebirds) are one of the most aerodynamic cars made and can be had cheap. Gen VI's have better suspension and brake packages. Oh and I go this 99 540i sport 6 speed for $4700 with a new front end, all new chain tensioners, belts, hoses... It runs and drives like a brand new car. Wish I could race it.... I'm confused. Gen 2 70-81 Camaro are used for Street Stocks. Gen 3 is 82-92. Don't you mean Gen 3 are not allowed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiredBirds Posted October 5, 2018 Report Share Posted October 5, 2018 15 hours ago, cagedruss said: I'm confused. Gen 2 70-81 Camaro are used for Street Stocks. Gen 3 is 82-92. Don't you mean Gen 3 are not allowed? not some tacks don't allow the Gen 2's. That is why you see a lot of G-bodys in some street stock classes. I didn't say all tracks just some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racerfink Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 Didn’t the V-6 gain 400cc’s at some point in the Gen4 run? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karman1970 Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 53 minutes ago, racerfink said: Didn’t the V-6 gain 400cc’s at some point in the Gen4 run? Back in 95/96 depending on the state. That one is accounted for in the VPI table. The jump in '01 is unexplainable. Oh, and it didn't merely gain 400cc. They ditched the 60-degree V6 and dropped in one of the greatest and most legendary engines of all time - the Buick 3800. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiredBirds Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 On 10/4/2018 at 4:18 PM, ross2004 said: Our 3rd gen is 3050 with no driver. There's a little more weight that could come out...but not a lot, and at a pretty high effort/pound level. We gutted everything pretty much, probably could have cut another 25-50 out... the hood, roof, doors and deck lid were all just skin. We also cut metal out of the B-pillars and 1/4 structures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UglyBoost91 Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 Weight in the 2nd gens depends a lot on which F-Body you run also. As much as I'm a Pontiac guy, a true , un-lightened Pontiac V8 (and no 301 stuff) is about as portly as a stripped down Duramax Diesel compared with a Small Block Chevy ; ) That's a lot of extra weight on the nose... With that's said, If I ever come across a 70.5-73 Firebird, It's going to get a Ram Air-3 spec 400, M22, and become a Trans-am clone and run in Chump. I don't care how uncompetitive it is, I'll be in love with it 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mender Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 1 minute ago, UglyBoost91 said: Weight in the 2nd gens depends a lot on which F-Body you run also. As much as I'm a Pontiac guy, a true , un-lightened Pontiac V8 (and no 301 stuff) is about as portly as a stripped down Duramax Diesel compared with a Small Block Chevy ; ) That's a lot of extra weight on the nose... With that's said, If I ever come across a 70.5-73 Firebird, It's going to get a Ram Air-3 spec 400, M22, and become a Trans-am clone and run in Chump. I don't care how uncompetitive it is, I'll be in love with it No worries about the Pontiac engine weight, now you can run a tubular front subframe for 10 points! Shove the engine back 10 inches and you're now adding rear weight! Oh, and make sure you call it a '77 Firebird so you can use the larger tank. And I expect a call when you need true-blue Pontiac drivers ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiredBirds Posted October 16, 2018 Report Share Posted October 16, 2018 20 hours ago, mender said: No worries about the Pontiac engine weight, now you can run a tubular front subframe for 10 points! Shove the engine back 10 inches and you're now adding rear weight! Oh, and make sure you call it a '77 Firebird so you can use the larger tank. And I expect a call when you need true-blue Pontiac drivers ... wait a minute... a tube frontend is 10 points? So I can go pick up a Mopar now and be competitive? hummmm 71 383 Road Runner sounds fun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvumtnbkr Posted October 16, 2018 Report Share Posted October 16, 2018 2 hours ago, TiredBirds said: wait a minute... a tube frontend is 10 points? So I can go pick up a Mopar now and be competitive? hummmm 71 383 Road Runner sounds fun No. A SUBFRAME is 10 points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mender Posted October 16, 2018 Report Share Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, TiredBirds said: wait a minute... a tube frontend is 10 points? So I can go pick up a Mopar now and be competitive? hummmm 71 383 Road Runner sounds fun You have to call it a tubular front subframe and it must be a bolt-in, but otherwise yes. Edited October 16, 2018 by mender Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiredBirds Posted October 16, 2018 Report Share Posted October 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, mender said: You have to call it a tubular front subframe and it must be a bolt-in, but otherwise yes. WOW... that knd of kills the "affordable" doesn't it? They have bolt in kits that dramatically change the car's performance, not too mention it lightens the car up. Jeesh if we weren't up to our eyeballs in F-body stuff I'd make the switch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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