Dewey Havta Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 Has it ever been discussed/considered giving laps to cars that are under the 500 point threshold? Say a 300 and under car gets 10 laps and up to 400 gets 5 or 6. This option allows teams a chance to remain somewhat competitive and keeping the spirit of the series intact. I know there are variables involved but the idea is to reward teams for trying to keep the costs down. That's all have a good morning. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wink Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 Just podiumed with a 425 point car.. I dont think you should penalize the guys that have built their car to the rules. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDChristianson Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 424 point car just won Road America. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Advisory Committee Andrew D Johnson Posted October 22, 2018 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 20 minutes ago, JDChristianson said: 424 point car just won Road America. With a strut bar made of 1/2" conduit? I think you can safely call it a 400 pointer. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommytipover Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 27 minutes ago, red0 said: With a strut bar made of 1/2" conduit? I think you can safely call it a 400 pointer. Hey, if it didn't bend, it's doin' its job am I right. Or is that... if it didn't bend it wasn't needed in the first place. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 (edited) This has been discussed before. I believe the consensus was that we don't want to reward people with "bonus laps" for bringing slower cars to prevent a further increase to the speed differential between the fastest and slowest cars. Also, it can be difficult for the 500 pt car to make up laps in a race (for example: the 500 pt cars must take more risks in traffic to make up laps, caution and red flag periods benefit cars with "bonus laps"). Slower cars would also have better fuel economy, which would allow more flexible strategies. Basically, bonus laps would lead to the top teams building the fastest cars they can with the biggest fuel tanks and the least amount of points possible. It would turn into a race to see who can build a car with the most bonus laps (race to the bottom?). The teams than needed the help from bonus laps will still lose to the top teams who will always exploit the system. If bonus laps ever became a thing, I would recommend a 1989 Jaguar XJS with a 1UZ swap, factory 4 spd auto, and 26 gallon fuel cell for 177 pts. With all of that said, are 500 pt cars more expensive than 200 pt cars? I don't think there is a correlation between points and cost. There is definitely a correlation between running a competitive team and cost, but that cost can be offset by experience, ingenuity, and preparation. Edited October 22, 2018 by Scribe 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Advisory Committee Andrew D Johnson Posted October 22, 2018 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, Scribe said: This has been discussed before. I believe to consensus was that we don't want to reward people with "bonus laps" for bringing slower cars to prevent a further increase to speed differential between the fastest and slowest cars. Also, it can be difficult for the 500 pt car to make up laps in a race (for example: the 500 pt cars must take more risks in traffic to make up laps, caution and red flag periods benefit cars with "bonus laps"). Slower cars would also have better fuel economy, which would allow more flexible strategies. Basically, bonus laps would lead to the top teams building the fastest cars they can with the biggest fuel tanks and the least amount of points possible. It would turn into a race to see who can build a car with the most bonus laps (race to the bottom?). The teams than needed the help from bonus laps will still lose to the top teams who will always exploit the system. If bonus laps ever became a thing, I would recommend a 1989 Jaguar XJS with a 1UZ swap, factory 4 spd auto, and 26 gallon fuel cell for 177 pts. With all of that said, are 500 pt cars more expensive than 200 pt cars? I don't think there is a correlation between points and cost. There is definitely a correlation between running a competitive team and cost. You are spot on with my thoughts on the matter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dewey Havta Posted October 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 Thank you scribe . It was a question brought up by a team member and I didn't have a answer for him. Not trying to stir any pot was just wondering. Thanks again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Posted October 23, 2018 Report Share Posted October 23, 2018 22 hours ago, Scribe said: This has been discussed before. I believe the consensus was that we don't want to reward people with "bonus laps" for bringing slower cars to prevent a further increase to the speed differential between the fastest and slowest cars. Also, it can be difficult for the 500 pt car to make up laps in a race (for example: the 500 pt cars must take more risks in traffic to make up laps, caution and red flag periods benefit cars with "bonus laps"). Slower cars would also have better fuel economy, which would allow more flexible strategies. Basically, bonus laps would lead to the top teams building the fastest cars they can with the biggest fuel tanks and the least amount of points possible. It would turn into a race to see who can build a car with the most bonus laps (race to the bottom?). The teams than needed the help from bonus laps will still lose to the top teams who will always exploit the system. If bonus laps ever became a thing, I would recommend a 1989 Jaguar XJS with a 1UZ swap, factory 4 spd auto, and 26 gallon fuel cell for 177 pts. With all of that said, are 500 pt cars more expensive than 200 pt cars? I don't think there is a correlation between points and cost. There is definitely a correlation between running a competitive team and cost, but that cost can be offset by experience, ingenuity, and preparation. When are you going to run for board? I think that would benefit this community Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted October 23, 2018 Report Share Posted October 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Jamie said: When are you going to run for board? I think that would benefit this community Maybe one day. I'd like to get my car built first, its starting to rust from sitting for so long! 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racer28173 Posted May 19, 2019 Report Share Posted May 19, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, lila20 said: If bonus laps ever became a thing, I would recommend a 1989 Jaguar XJS with a 1UZ swap, factory 4 spd auto, and 26 gallon fuel cell for 177 pts. Based on what I’ve seen of that generation Jag, do you start with the base points of the Jag or the base points of the rollback it is riding on? Edited May 19, 2019 by Racer28173 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvumtnbkr Posted May 19, 2019 Report Share Posted May 19, 2019 Uh, bot? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jer Posted May 20, 2019 Report Share Posted May 20, 2019 Bonus laps were quickly dismissed by the Board some time ago... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theblue Posted May 21, 2019 Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 I'd be fine with giving any car that shows up with under 250 points a free lap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiredBirds Posted August 15, 2019 Report Share Posted August 15, 2019 I'd like to get an extra 50 points for running a 305. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riche30 Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 On 8/15/2019 at 12:45 PM, TiredBirds said: I'd like to get an extra 50 points for running a 305. Denied. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakks Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 2 hours ago, riche30 said: Denied. He is a Richard after all........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiredBirds Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 16 hours ago, riche30 said: Denied. worth a shot...lol meanies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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