cbjohnk Posted October 30, 2018 Report Share Posted October 30, 2018 I do not see a requirement/rule (and am not proposing that there should be one) about whether or not all 4 wheels of the car need to be on the ground while fueling. Because of weird (from my perspective) fuel tank geometry in my car, I can get almost 2 gallons more in my tank when the car is jacked up on one side. I am assuming I can do that, but want to check. Any thoughts? Carl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jab31169 Posted October 30, 2018 Report Share Posted October 30, 2018 I think the rule that says no other work can be done to the car while fueling on pit road would prevent you from doing that, even if you said it was a part of your fueling process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvumtnbkr Posted October 30, 2018 Report Share Posted October 30, 2018 You can. It is totally allowed. Just get the car up and don't touch the jack once the gas cap is off. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jab31169 Posted October 30, 2018 Report Share Posted October 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, wvumtnbkr said: You can. It is totally allowed. Just get the car up and don't touch the jack once the gas cap is off. Seems odd, but its champcar so.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvumtnbkr Posted October 30, 2018 Report Share Posted October 30, 2018 I yelled at somebody at vir when I volunteered once. I was corrected by an official, official. They didn't even require jackstand because nobody was under the car... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbjohnk Posted October 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2018 Thanks Rob. That is the answer I was hoping for and it does make sense to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron_e Posted October 30, 2018 Report Share Posted October 30, 2018 It has even been done in the west so it is obviously allowed by the series. It was Honda teams of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboys647 Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 Is this 100% confirmed? I’d like to look at doing this to get some extra fuel capacity but don’t want to plan on this being the case and then be told at the race that it’s unsafe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theblue Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 when I was on a honda team we needed to do this toget 2 hours. jack it up, no stand, fill, lower. totally safe. nobody is under the car while fueling and all the wheels are on the car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Bill Strong Posted November 1, 2018 Administrators Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 Yes. You can do this. It has always been allowed. Just as was stated up top. Jack the car up. Don't touch the jack, fuel. I would always use some jack stands under the car just in case the jack fails. It's not required, but it could save an accidental spill. Air jacks work too. Those are allowed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvumtnbkr Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 52 minutes ago, Bill Strong said: Air jacks work too. Those are allowed. I've thinking about this just to see people's heads assplode.... 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Bill Strong Posted November 1, 2018 Administrators Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 You have to be very careful with them. you can't drop the car and go like F1. You would bend the jacks as they retract slowly when the weight of the car is off the jack. would make for some great "what not to do" video though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wittenauer Racing Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 8 hours ago, wvumtnbkr said: I've thinking about this just to see people's heads assplode.... You're not the only one, but that's a lot of $$$ I could spend on tires and beer. Not to mention the logistics of dragging around the air tank to go with it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team Infiniti Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 Go right ahead and add all that weight 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhr650 Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 If we are going to threadjack we may as well do it right… It may not be as cool as air jacks but on my next car I am including jacking points that tie back into the roll cage. 2 right by the tires tied into the main hoop and the front down tubes for jack stands or lift arms, and one in the middle of the door tied into the sill bars for the jack. Keeps you from beating up the thin sheet metal on the bottom of the car, adding a jacking point tied into the roll cage was one of the best modifications I made to my car. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theblue Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 I love reading about people adding weight. How many points do you claim for the material? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chbright Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 @Black Magic On fueling, will there be a pump out rule coming? You mentioned it as a potential rule to curb extra fuel capacity than original. I know it is buried in one either the vpi or 2019 rules megathreads. Curious if that will come about and how the TAC may envision it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Magic Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 (edited) We don't have any rules in 2019 that describe a pump out, and still don't list a max capacity for stock tanks. My gut feeling as a racer (not a tac member) is that we will soon have to address the simple question of "how much fuel can my car have" with a simple number, rather than a list of requirements that your fuel system needs to have (filler neck geometry, location, tank shape being stock appearing....etc etc). Edited November 1, 2018 by Black Magic 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mender Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 4 hours ago, Black Magic said: We don't have any rules in 2019 that describe a pump out, and still don't list a max capacity for stock tanks. My gut feeling as a racer (not a tac member) is that we will soon have to address the simple question of "how much fuel can my car have" with a simple number, rather than a list of requirements that your fuel system needs to have (filler neck geometry, location, tank shape being stock appearing....etc etc). Agree that simplifying the rules and going to a format that allows quick tech is the logical approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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