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1 hour ago, mender said:

The one who completes the most laps. :)

 So an overall victory is the goal  ?

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2 hours ago, Ray Franck said:

 So an overall victory is the goal  ?

Um, yes - for some people. For others, the goal is to finish. 

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How is it working when AER had basically no cars at bogie?

How is it working when CER had basically no entries at all of the races?

How is it going to work when I can go CASC racing with more cars with a  far less entry fee and also go racing 10 times more?

How is it going to work with USA tracks basically the same distance away offering what we originally started out as?

 

Im looking for a legitimate reason to go other than "Jay and Chuck are awesome guys" (which they are)

 

I do not want to see this fail before it begins.

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It will be interesting to see what this does to Canadian teams who want to do some races in the US.    Now there is no reason they wouldn't do all those mods that cost points..... until they want to race in the US again, do they detune, cheat, run a second car, run EC.

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I will hold my breath until I see what next season is like before making a judgement. Though, Im more or less with @Rich  on this one. Im not sure I really understand why the change. 

  - CER cars werent exactly numerous over the past two years.

  - Car counts were decent last year and seemingly growing maybe with some new cars/teams, will they really get better with these new rules?  Why mess with a good thing?

  - Will we continue to see US cars come to race at bucket list tracks like Mosport with a completely different series? We may actually lose cars....

  - Spending all that time qualifying on saturday is a waste of time IMO.  There is zero benefit to actually push hard (having fun is basically the only advantage), so why bother?

  - Im going to race flat out because thats fun to me, but as the fast driver on my team, it could literally be a disadvantage to do that, that will be frustrating if it actually does turn into a disadvantage (though, it just means i need to kick my teammates in the butt), but will also be frustrating if we are racing against a team that wants to run less than flat out but just maintain a certain pace at the top of the class....

 

@theblue Our plan is to keep the car Champ legal so we can race US events, or at minimum make it so we can detune cheaply and easily for US races.  In these new rules, there really isn't any reason to do "all those mods" (except to make a cooler car I guess) as making your car faster could just put you in a higher class.

 

Im hopeful it will all work out, but pretty worried at the same time that we are messing with a good thing and the whole series loses interest and fold

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42 minutes ago, thewheelerZ said:

Im hopeful it will all work out, but pretty worried at the same time that we are messing with a good thing and the whole series loses interest and fold

 

I think that ship sailed when champusa set chumpcanada adrift a couple of seasons ago.

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I'm just a lurker so my opinion is irrelevant, but I've been following this series in Canada for a few years and building a car with the intention of getting out in 2019.  As an outsider, rule changes, name changes, format changes etc. make it difficult to get involved as I feel like I've always fallen another step behind in my planning.  It gets discouraging.  Pin the rules down and keep the costs reasonable, and then you can focus on promoting the series.  There aren't enough drivers or enough money in Canada to start creating niche racing leagues so everyone gets exactly what they want.  Even the roundy round guys are figuring out that to keep grassroots racing alive here you have to share a rule book and dip into one pool of competitors.  

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On 12/5/2018 at 9:11 PM, Rich said:

How is it working when AER had basically no cars at bogie?

How is it working when CER had basically no entries at all of the races?

How is it going to work when I can go CASC racing with more cars with a  far less entry fee and also go racing 10 times more?

How is it going to work with USA tracks basically the same distance away offering what we originally started out as?

 

Im looking for a legitimate reason to go other than "Jay and Chuck are awesome guys" (which they are)

 

I do not want to see this fail before it begins.

AER would never draw many cars from the U.S.  It's basically a regional series of BMW clubbie buddies from what I see from the North East.    I wouldn't worry about aer making difference in your area.  

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On 12/8/2018 at 4:30 PM, Lapped Traffic said:

I'm just a lurker so my opinion is irrelevant, but I've been following this series in Canada for a few years and building a car with the intention of getting out in 2019.  As an outsider, rule changes, name changes, format changes etc. make it difficult to get involved as I feel like I've always fallen another step behind in my planning.  It gets discouraging.  Pin the rules down and keep the costs reasonable, and then you can focus on promoting the series.  There aren't enough drivers or enough money in Canada to start creating niche racing leagues so everyone gets exactly what they want.  Even the roundy round guys are figuring out that to keep grassroots racing alive here you have to share a rule book and dip into one pool of competitors.  

 

As a new team/builder.... you're opinion is actually the MOST relevant!

 

good news is that if your car is less sorted then you should just get slotted into a lower class (probably?). Run what you brung type of thing. 

 

Lots of existing teams (with recently new teams among them) their race against. Fingers crossed it works. 

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On 12/9/2018 at 8:56 PM, DEE DEE said:

AER would never draw many cars from the U.S.  It's basically a regional series of BMW clubbie buddies from what I see from the North East.    I wouldn't worry about aer making difference in your area.  

 

It didnt. All of our cars are legal for AER and not 1 of us showed up which further proves my point about the style of racing we are going to.

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On 11/14/2018 at 12:17 PM, skierman64 said:

 

Do you prefer the free-for-all that ChampCar Canada has become.  Basically an arms race without checks or balances from everything that I've heard.  

FWIW   Canuck teams won both days at Leguna didn't hear about any protests.  :)

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On 12/17/2018 at 9:21 AM, mcewena said:

FWIW   Canuck teams won both days at Leguna didn't hear about any protests.  :)

 

Congrats to them.  

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If anything that proves the point.  I've raced against both of those teams and they are very well funded and setup cars, with good drivers and crew.   We haven't been fast enough, but if it was for position I have things I would probably challenge.  But that's the game of racing.  Congrats to them on the win.

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28 minutes ago, theblue said:

If anything that proves the point.  I've raced against both of those teams and they are very well funded and setup cars, with good drivers and crew.   We haven't been fast enough, but if it was for position I have things I would probably challenge.  But that's the game of racing.  Congrats to them on the win.

You're supposed to challenge/protest no matter where you are in the field.

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I'm not going to put up money and be an a-hole over something that gets me nothing.   unless the team has really pissed me off and both of those teams are pretty cool.

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@theblue to be clear, are you saying Van Winden in the cow BMW is cheaty?  Not being a bmw guy, those guys appear to have brought a well prepped car and have some great drivers. (one of their drivers in particular is a savant like Dustin Hoffman when it turns wet!  Aka FAST!)  

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they've built a really good car and can drive it well.   I'm not here to call them out or start a 20 page post so I'm not going to say anything more.

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1 hour ago, mender said:

Interesting; I consider the self-serving protests to be the lowest form but to each their own.

 

you're telling me that if you finish second and you see something cheaty on first place you're not going to take the win you deserve?

 

I've done one challenge years ago.   had a 6th place finish and always wanted to say I got a top 5.  (which helps with renting and car value etc).  A miata in 5th place had full adjustable coilovers.  Somehow made it through tech and nobody else cared in impound etc...   I went to challenge and champ officials requested I didn't since 5th was for nothing really.   I wanted the 5th for reasons stated.   Once they saw I wouldn't drop it they DQ'd the car and wouldn't take my formal request.   I believe the team swapped suspension for the race next day.  

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2 hours ago, mender said:

You're supposed to challenge/protest no matter where you are in the field.

 

In my view, there's only incentive for 2 teams to protest.  2nd place to protest the winner and 4th place to protest any of the top 3 to get on the podium.  No one else really gains anything.  That's the failure of the self policing system IMHO.  

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On 12/9/2018 at 9:56 PM, thewheelerZ said:

 

As a new team/builder.... you're opinion is actually the MOST relevant!

 

good news is that if your car is less sorted then you should just get slotted into a lower class (probably?). Run what you brung type of thing. 

 

Lots of existing teams (with recently new teams among them) their race against. Fingers crossed it works. 

 

This is the position we find ourselves in. We are approx. 85% done our build.  We ran a few track days at Shannonville in the summer so have an ok sense of where we stood with the car, and were planning some more upgrades before our first race (Shannonville). With the announcement of the bracket format we've decided to shelve the upgrades and run the car as is for now, which we see as a good thing. 

 

Our main concerns with the new format have been highlighted earlier in the thread.

  • Qualifying takes away from time spent racing and provides no real incentive to go fast 
  • Ambiguous driver eligibility requirements (we are primarily all novices, outside of some competetive karting experience)
  • Some of the technical rules seemed to have changed a bit from how we built our car ie) cage x-braces  are now discouraged

Overall though we just want to get out there and race and are excited to join the new series,  and if it doesn't work for us we can always give Champcar a try. 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, theblue said:

 

you're telling me that if you finish second and you see something cheaty on first place you're not going to take the win you deserve?

If I was in 4th or 54th place and saw something that was illegal, I would protest it.

 

That's how this is supposed to work but people seem to think it's only for the top teams.

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