2019 National Championship Points Total Updates 12/4/2018

[Bill Strong]

2019 ChampCar Endurance Series National Championship Points

April 27, 2019, Charlotte Motor Speedway 14-Hour Enduro

  Updated December 4, 2018

1.5.2. The winner of the National Championship:

a. All qualified teams carry their top two (2) season finish points into the Championship.
The season points are determined from January 1st to December 31st. The Championship race for the current year will be held the following year as declared in the following year’s schedule.

b. Finish points from the Championship will be added to the season point total. For example, the finish points acquired in the 2019 championship race event will be added to finishing points acquired during the 2018 calendar season which shall exclude points acquired at the previous years (2017) championship race event.

c. Lowest point total wins the National Championship.

 

Download the points total PDF here 

https://champcar.org/mainweb/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/ChampCar2019NationalChampionship.pdf

 

 

[ABR-Glen]

Spreadsheet version on Google docs here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hw12yudEHgihhLJqzzaMUOhw9FUh65-ZrtVF0qbNdUI/edit?usp=sharing

[Andrew D Johnson]

Who do we talk to about errors in this? 

[Doc]

6 hours ago, red0 said:

Who do we talk to about errors in this? 

Email Mike.

[snowman]

This is interesting...number and percent Championship Eligible by make.  I pulled and pivoted the data from the google doc.

 

Go Orange Yeller Revival!  Holding it down for the Caddy's!  

 

 

 

 

[Chris Huggins]

This table is one of the best "releases" of finishing data with populated automotive information (minus "swap" data) that has come out so far.

 

I thought this was interesting, basically BMW/Mazda have raced more than all the other makes combined.

 

Make	Races Participated
BMW	416
Mazda	394	810
Honda	112	745
Ford	105
Nissan	57
Porsche	57
Toyota	53
Chevy	50
Acura	40
Dodge	38
VW	38
Pontiac	34
Lexus	21
Mitsubishi	20
Audi	16
Mercedes	16
Saab	15
Datsun	14
Maserati	9
Plymouth	9
Saturn	5
Triumph	5
Volvo	5
Infiniti	4
Lincoln	4
Eagle	3
Mini	3
Alfa Romeo	2
Cadillac	2
Hyundai	2
Mercury	2
Olds	2
MG	1
Subaru	1

[Team Infiniti]

When does the championship "year" start/end?

[snowman]

17 minutes ago, Huggy said:

This table is one of the best "releases" of finishing data with populated automotive information (minus "swap" data) that has come out so far.

 

I thought this was interesting, basically BMW/Mazda have raced more than all the other makes combined.

 

I do wish we had the swap data.  I would be very interested to see what percentage of cars that are even running swaps, and the comparison of lap times, finishes, DNF's, etc. vs. non-swapped cars.  There's a lot of "noise" about swaps, the formula, blah blah blah.....With hard data, we could put those threads to bed right?  Should that be green font? 

[Chris Huggins]

2 minutes ago, snowman said:

 

I do wish we had the swap data.  I would be very interested to see what percentage of cars that are even running swaps, and the comparison of lap times, finishes, DNF's, etc. vs. non-swapped cars.  There's a lot of "noise" about swaps, the formula, blah blah blah.....With hard data, we could put those threads to bed right?  Should that be green font? 

 

If I get elected to BOD, or if I get access to that data some other way, I will certainly do that analysis and share

[Chris Huggins]

22 minutes ago, Team Infiniti said:

When does the championship "year" start/end?

Calendar Year 2018, so three more races left to get qualified at this point (barber, laguna, and sebring)

[Team Infiniti]

1 minute ago, Huggy said:

Calendar Year 2018, so three more races left to get qualified at this point (barber, laguna, and sebring)

In the past, wasn't the calendar year not in sync?

[Jer]

1 hour ago, Team Infiniti said:

When does the championship "year" start/end?

Its a calendar year.  THIS calendar year.  So this file can and will still change.  As for a synced calendar year, I believe last year was the first year we used a calendar year (in conjunction with one National Championship).  In the past we had regional championships and yes, some sort of fiscal year.  

Edited December 6, 2018 by Jer

[Jer]

55 minutes ago, snowman said:

 

I do wish we had the swap data.  I would be very interested to see what percentage of cars that are even running swaps, and the comparison of lap times, finishes, DNF's, etc. vs. non-swapped cars.  There's a lot of "noise" about swaps, the formula, blah blah blah.....With hard data, we could put those threads to bed right?  Should that be green font? 

I would like to see that as well!  I'm on the Board but it doesn't magically mean that the information is readily available (it is not).  I wonder how to go about getting it, because race info will not tell you if a car is swapped or not, just what the make/model is.  hmmmm

Edited December 6, 2018 by Jer

[hotchkis23]

7 minutes ago, Jer said:

I would like to see that as well!  I'm on the Board but it doesn't magically mean that the information is readily available (it is not).  I wonder how to go about getting it, because race info will not tell you if a car is swapped or not, just what the make/model is.  hmmmm

Digital log books?  Create a web data base that allows teams to login and view/edit their specific log books, but also is viewable by staff? 

 

Would be some work, but that way if a team "forgets" their book, you could always pull it up on a phone at the track for it to be viewable.

[JoeHeitzRules]

It feels pretty dang good to be one only only two Hondas out of a pretty good number of them in the series to be Champ eligible. And they are both CRX's. (Third Gear Pulls) If anyone is wondering, we run a little B16. 

[mcoppola]

1 hour ago, Huggy said:

This table is one of the best "releases" of finishing data with populated automotive information (minus "swap" data) that has come out so far.

 

I thought this was interesting, basically BMW/Mazda have raced more than all the other makes combined.

 

Make	Races Participated
BMW	416
Mazda	394	810
Honda	112	745
Ford	105
Nissan	57
Porsche	57
Toyota	53
Chevy	50
Acura	40
Dodge	38
VW	38
Pontiac	34
Lexus	21
Mitsubishi	20
Audi	16
Mercedes	16
Saab	15
Datsun	14
Maserati	9
Plymouth	9
Saturn	5
Triumph	5
Volvo	5
Infiniti	4
Lincoln	4
Eagle	3
Mini	3
Alfa Romeo	2
Cadillac	2
Hyundai	2
Mercury	2
Olds	2
MG	1
Subaru	1

@Huggy where did you get this data from? 

Im confused as it doesn't match the data above it. 

Is this the last 2 years combined?

Edited December 6, 2018 by mcoppola

[Jer]

4 minutes ago, hotchkis23 said:

Digital log books?  Create a web data base that allows teams to login and view/edit their specific log books, but also is viewable by staff? 

 

Would be some work, but that way if a team "forgets" their book, you could always pull it up on a phone at the track for it to be viewable.

YES!  Once we go digital, this will be easier for sure!  We are not there right now.

[ABR-Glen]

14 minutes ago, mcoppola said:

@Huggy where did you get this data from? 

Im confused as it doesn't match the data above it. 

Is this the last 2 years combined?

Looks like Huggy is using the number of races attended, and Snowman is using the number of teams, i.e. Visceral Racing Group would account for 13 datapoints in Huggy's data and 1 in Snowman's.

 

I too thought this was a great release of data, just haven't had time to analyse beyond changing the format.

[snowman]

36 minutes ago, Jer said:

I would like to see that as well!  I'm on the Board but it doesn't magically mean that the information is readily available (it is not).  I wonder how to go about getting it, because race info will not tell you if a car is swapped or not, just what the make/model is.  hmmmm

 

I totally get it.  Being on the board doesn't make data magically appear.   If it doesn't exist, it doesn't exist.   

 

Same with digital log books, awesome idea.  I always thought it would be nice to file your tech sheet/log book when you register for an event online.  Maybe fill it out the first time each year, then simply have the option to update for each subsequent event.  I do think actual log books should still be required at tech, and perhaps tech has a laptop to update as needed.  I'm not a developer, but I can imagine implementing some of these things could be a bit tricky.  

 

And yes, I did a count of the makes.  @Huggy did a sum of all "attended" races for those makes.  Correct me if I'm wrong Huggy...thats at least how I got those numbers.

[Chris Huggins]

My data came from the Number Races Attended column.  IF(make=bmw), sum(num races attended).  Like ABR-Glen says, Visceral accounts for 13/57 of Porsche's data points.

 

I to understand that if the data doesnt exist, it doesnt exist.  I think it will be possible to get some data with minimal effort.  The paper swap-sheets are somewhere (tech kept mine - id like to see it again since I didn't photo/copy it) and could be used to compare against a list like the above one in a few hours at most.

[Jer]

28 minutes ago, Huggy said:

My data came from the Number Races Attended column.  IF(make=bmw), sum(num races attended).  Like ABR-Glen says, Visceral accounts for 13/57 of Porsche's data points.

 

I to understand that if the data doesnt exist, it doesnt exist.  I think it will be possible to get some data with minimal effort.  The paper swap-sheets are somewhere (tech kept mine - id like to see it again since I didn't photo/copy it) and could be used to compare against a list like the above one in a few hours at most.

I do believe we are moving to digital logbooks and that would make it easy to figure out!  And as you and others noted, it IS an important piece of information to have.  

[MoparBoyy]

really want to see class championships one day.. our little B class car can't go after the heavy hitters of the series.

[Team Infiniti]

9 minutes ago, MoparBoyy said:

our little B class car

Was chosen very carefully to do a certain job.

[snowman]

Here is some class fun for you.....

 

[MoparBoyy]

3 minutes ago, Team Infiniti said:

Was chosen very carefully to do a certain job.

 

for sure.  2018 hasn't been kind to us only one class win and 2 DNFs, but 2017 we had a class win and a 2nd in class.   It would have been nice to go and shoot for a B class championship.