Round3Racing Posted December 6, 2018 Report Share Posted December 6, 2018 Sorry for the noob question. I noted that some events show that fuel is not available on-site. So, what are most teams doing about getting fuel to the track? Are you transporting drums of fuel? Using a delivery service? We're a 3-car team. So, that is a lot of fuel. Hauling all of that fuel in our truck is a logistical nightmare and not entirely safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team Infiniti Posted December 6, 2018 Report Share Posted December 6, 2018 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Round3Racing said: Sorry for the noob question. I noted that some events show that fuel is not available on-site. So, what are most teams doing about getting fuel to the track? Are you transporting drums of fuel? Using a delivery service? We're a 3-car team. So, that is a lot of fuel. Hauling all of that fuel in our truck is a logistical nightmare and not entirely safe. Fuel on site is typically expensive thus rarely a option. Our 55 gal barrel and all jugs are transported empty, before/after dinner on setup day (usually Friday eve) we find a nearby fuel station to fill everything up then return to the track, leave the truckload of fuel taking another vehicle to hotel. If more fuel is needed mid race, a couple of us calculate needs/refill after we are done with a pit. Edited December 6, 2018 by Team Infiniti 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enginerd Posted December 6, 2018 Report Share Posted December 6, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Round3Racing said: Sorry for the noob question. I noted that some events show that fuel is not available on-site. So, what are most teams doing about getting fuel to the track? Are you transporting drums of fuel? Using a delivery service? We're a 3-car team. So, that is a lot of fuel. Hauling all of that fuel in our truck is a logistical nightmare and not entirely safe. We have about 8 5-gallon quick fill jugs. Throw them in Dave’s minivan and drive to the gas station, fill, return to track. Driving with windows open is advisable. Edited December 6, 2018 by enginerd 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wittenauer Racing Posted December 6, 2018 Report Share Posted December 6, 2018 If you're running race gas, buying it from VP or Sunoco and picking it up (or having it delivered) is the way to go. Otherwise the labor and cost of 5 gallon cans is significantly less than track/delivery prices across a few races.Make sure to check the laws of the state you're going to. Many states (Ohio and Michigan come to mind, but I'm sure there's others) have laws about how many gallons and what kind of containers you can use. Figure 3 cars at say 7.5 gal/hr = 45 gallons every 2 hours. First stint of fuel in the cars when you arrive, stint 2 in quickfill cans, stint 3 in cheapie mower cans. Refill the quickfills after the first cycle of stops and you now have up to 3.5 hours to refill the mower cans during an 8 hour race. Throw in some cautions, rain, red flags, etc and you might not even need to fill again.... We basically just raid our sheds and come up with a big assortment of cans, then use those to refill our quickfill cans. I think it comes out to about 65 gallons of storage between us + the 18 in the car gets right to 8 hours of green flag racing. I have heard of some teams requiring each driver to show up with approximately their amount of fuel but that gets real hard for arrive and drives that come by air... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Round3Racing Posted December 6, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2018 19 minutes ago, Wittenauer Racing said: I have heard of some teams requiring each driver to show up with approximately their amount of fuel but that gets real hard for arrive and drives that come by air... Yeah, that would not work for our deal. Most guys will be flying in. 21 minutes ago, Wittenauer Racing said: Many states (Ohio and Michigan come to mind, but I'm sure there's others) have laws about how many gallons and what kind of containers you can use. That is interesting. Do you know if gas stations will let you fill a 55-gallon drum? That is what we're thinking. Strap an empty 55-gallon drum into the bed of a truck and go to the station to fill it up. Then, transfer that to a drum in the paddock. Back and forth, as needed. Our cars burn about 10 gallons per hour. So, we're still a bit short of the 2-hour fuel stint. We're at about 1:45 of green flag racing. And we're going to run 93 octane. So, I'd agree that the delivery deal is probably not going to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronh911 Posted December 6, 2018 Report Share Posted December 6, 2018 6 minutes ago, Round3Racing said: Yeah, that would not work for our deal. Most guys will be flying in. That is interesting. Do you know if gas stations will let you fill a 55-gallon drum? That is what we're thinking. Strap an empty 55-gallon drum into the bed of a truck and go to the station to fill it up. Then, transfer that to a drum in the paddock. Back and forth, as needed. Our cars burn about 10 gallons per hour. So, we're still a bit short of the 2-hour fuel stint. We're at about 1:45 of green flag racing. And we're going to run 93 octane. So, I'd agree that the delivery deal is probably not going to work. We fill up 1 or 2 drums near the track we are at and have never had a problem or even questioned about it. We do sometimes get funny looks when I tell them I need $500 on pump2! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Advisory Committee Chris Huggins Posted December 6, 2018 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted December 6, 2018 We fill two for a 24hr race. Need 180 gal total. Drive carefully! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team Infiniti Posted December 6, 2018 Report Share Posted December 6, 2018 When filling barrels and jugs, I typically park the truck close to the pump then hog both sides, if the cans get filled first, both nozzles simultaneously fill the 55 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoparBoyy Posted December 6, 2018 Report Share Posted December 6, 2018 23 minutes ago, Round3Racing said: That is interesting. Do you know if gas stations will let you fill a 55-gallon drum? That is what we're thinking. Strap an empty 55-gallon drum into the bed of a truck and go to the station to fill it up. Then, transfer that to a drum in the paddock. Back and forth, as needed. We have 2 cars and have 3 - 55 gallon drums in the trailer. I somehow wedge the 48' trailer into a normal gas station and fill all 3 drums at once. Just don't pay at the pump. figure out about how much you'll need and say.. hey i need $500 prepaid on pump 2. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karman1970 Posted December 6, 2018 Report Share Posted December 6, 2018 1 hour ago, Round3Racing said: That is interesting. Do you know if gas stations will let you fill a 55-gallon drum? That is what we're thinking. Strap an empty 55-gallon drum into the bed of a truck and go to the station to fill it up. Then, transfer that to a drum in the paddock. Back and forth, as needed. We have a blue plastic drum tied down in the bed of a pick-up. We fill it plus our 4 5-gallon jugs. Good enough for at least one day. If more is needed we just make a trip back to the gas station. No stickers or placards or anything and no one has said a word. We empty the left overs into the tow vehicle before heading home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wittenauer Racing Posted December 6, 2018 Report Share Posted December 6, 2018 To clarify- We've never had an issue, nor have I heard first hand of someone else having issues with placards/stickers/DOT/etc. A couple of those "brother's cousin's uncle's college roommate" stories lead me to give it a google... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rod rammage Posted December 6, 2018 Report Share Posted December 6, 2018 The gas station will by law require you to move the fuel jug/barrel onto the ground for pumping fuel into it. This is especially important if you have a plastic bedliner OR are filling a plastic barrel. You should ground that barrel if you decide to leave it in the bed of the truck. That being said, I have filled metal barrels inside a trailer sitting on a wood floor without grounding them. I do periodically touch the nozzle to the base of the barrel while pumping. If you want to be really compliant with Johnny Law, you will need to read up on DOT limits for hauling fuel in what containers with what placards. It varies state to state. Of course, if you decide not to comply, and any bad things happen, just don't expect your insurance company to stand with you if it turns out you were "coloring outside the lines". Insurance companies being what they are: love to take yer money, not so willing to pay out money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvumtnbkr Posted December 6, 2018 Report Share Posted December 6, 2018 In addition to the above, the insurance may not pay out even if you follow the law. They are not expecting most people to carry an extra 55 gallons of flammable liquid in their trucks or trailers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team Infiniti Posted December 6, 2018 Report Share Posted December 6, 2018 Have heard 55gal is no issue, over 100 is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rod rammage Posted December 6, 2018 Report Share Posted December 6, 2018 (edited) Again, quantities and types of containers, placarding, TDG qualifications, vary from state to state. Edited December 6, 2018 by rod rammage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karman1970 Posted December 6, 2018 Report Share Posted December 6, 2018 Just now, Team Infiniti said: Have heard 55gal is no issue, over 100 is. I have heard the same, though not studied it myself. That's supposedly how farmers and such can get away having external fuel tanks in the bed of their trucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMiskoe Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 The procurement and transport will still work, but the transfer method will need updating for 2019. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7w4t8FhYPE8 Funnel? Ah f-it, just dump it in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottyk Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 On 12/6/2018 at 1:08 PM, Round3Racing said: Yeah, that would not work for our deal. Most guys will be flying in. That is interesting. Do you know if gas stations will let you fill a 55-gallon drum? That is what we're thinking. Strap an empty 55-gallon drum into the bed of a truck and go to the station to fill it up. Then, transfer that to a drum in the paddock. Back and forth, as needed. Our cars burn about 10 gallons per hour. So, we're still a bit short of the 2-hour fuel stint. We're at about 1:45 of green flag racing. And we're going to run 93 octane. So, I'd agree that the delivery deal is probably not going to work. Must be EC if those cars are burning 10/hr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gkuhn41 Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 I was told by a state trooper that it is legal to carry up to 1,000lbs of fuel in storage containers, so not inculding what is in the car.. Gasoline is 6lbs per gallon so if what i was informed is correct you can carry up to 165 gallons. We have 2 55gal drums and 5 gal quick fillers we carry. At road america we needed to make one run the the gas station for fuel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvumtnbkr Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 12 hours ago, scottyk said: Must be EC if those cars are burning 10/hr. Why? I know our Malibu used about that much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewheelerZ Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 12 hours ago, scottyk said: Must be EC if those cars are burning 10/hr. me: *looks at scotty's comment.... looks at my car....looks at scotty's comment.... looks at my car....looks at scotty's comment.... looks at my car.... scratches head.... thinks OMG, why did i pick such a heavy car? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jer Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 I have 12 5 gallon jugs. They are all full and on the trailer when I get to the track. Because we have had issues, we have yet to go home without gas. Maybe in 2019. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottyk Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 3 hours ago, wvumtnbkr said: Why? I know our Malibu used about that much. Boxster vs. Malibu? Your comparing a salesman's car to a Porsche. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvumtnbkr Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 hour ago, scottyk said: Boxster vs. Malibu? Your comparing a salesman's car to a Porsche. Oh, I didnt follow that we were talking about a Boxster. I thought you were saying anything over 10 gph should be EC. Even so, isnt about 10 gal / hour about 225 WHP with our type of racing? I would think that starting at 201 HP, its possible? We use about 8 GPH with 151 WHP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Round3Racing Posted December 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 17 hours ago, scottyk said: Must be EC if those cars are burning 10/hr. The 10 Gal/hr is an estimate, based on what we've read and been told. Still need to run it to know for sure. Unfortunately, the tracks around us are closed for the winter. Gotta wait until Road Atlanta to find out for sure. Our first car will be running EC, as it is a Spec Boxster. Cars 2 and 3 are being built to run in C Class. Since we're new to ChampCar, we're still trying to figure our way through the rules and keep the cars close to 500 points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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