Bremsen Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 The company I work for tried ordering a bunch of embroidered winter gear for our outside/trackside staff from a large online merchandiser. We got this email in response: "Patagonia has very strict brand standards regarding who they sell to. When they vet customers, it’s largely based on how the company impacts the environment. They were concerned about your partnerships with the auto-racing industry so unfortunately Patagonia did decline your order." So, never mind all of the safety advances, engine/vehicle efficiency advances, material advances, etc, etc the auto racing industry has developed over the last 100 years. Personally, I'm a free market capitalist so it doesn't really matter if they don't want our money, we'll find someone that does. However, I'm willing to be they had no problem with the christian baker and florists being media mobbed and having the gov't force them to provide services that go against their religious beliefs. I hate a hypocrite. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlorahDorah Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 Try L. L. Bean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enginerd Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 1 hour ago, mcoppola said: Don't get me started.... Where do you draw the line? Situations like the bakery case are extremely close to the ‘whites only’ establishments in the south decades ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mender Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 "Management reserves the right to refuse service..." 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bremsen Posted December 11, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 1 hour ago, enginerd said: Where do you draw the line? Situations like the bakery case are extremely close to the ‘whites only’ establishments in the south decades ago. That's the thing. You don't. You can't. You have to let the free market sort it out. A true capitalist knows that [insert any race/sex/orientation here] person's money is as green as anyone else's. If one person won't sell to/service a [insert any race/sex/orientation here] person, there is someone else standing in line to. Look at what happened to Dick's Sporting Goods. Like I said, I'm not worried or offended by it, we can choose from a variety of other manufacturers for our apparel. I find it rather comical and ignorant (just like those establishments of the 50s and 60s). If Patagonia doesn't want to supply us based on some strange belief that we operated in an industry that has an "adverse impact on the environment", then that is there choice. They are a private company and I personally feel its well within their rights to sell to whomever they want. That said, I certainly won't be buying any of their products and I would advise those of us that enjoy motorsports not to either. Since they think we're evil and all. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlorahDorah Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 Apparently Patagonia world headquarters is about 15 miles from me in Ventura, CA. Not surprising I guess. I won't be going for a visit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racer28173 Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 Let me start by saying that I am EXPLAINING not DEFENDING. There is a big difference between the Patagonia thing and the other examples given. Patagonia’s BRAND is on all of their goods. They need to make sure they don’t tarnish that brand by putting other brands that are inconsistent with their brand next to their brand. Their core customers tend to hug trees. It would be bad for them to put Motorsport branding next to theirs. That is what gives them the right to “discriminate”. If they were selling products that had no visible branding (like a cake), they couldn’t do what they are doing. It is similar to a sports star declining to do advertisements for a brand that doesn’t align with their image. That said, I won’t be buying any of their products. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pintodave Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 I wonder if they still ship and receive goods VIA horseback & donkey. Love to stop by and see their cotton gin in action... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlorahDorah Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 27 minutes ago, pintodave said: I wonder if they still ship and receive goods VIA horseback & donkey. Love to stop by and see their cotton gin in action... Yes. The cognitive dissonance out here is deafening..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmabarone Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 While I don't support their position on it, I say good for them for having a position and standing by it. I wasn't going to buy any of their stuff before, but I definitely won't now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAMR2 Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 I guess their view is the outdoors hobbies they support don't cause much pollution. I'm an avid skier, but I don't expect the lifts and groomers to run on sunshine and rainbows. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Posted December 18, 2018 Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 Still buying their poop, it's the only product that can stand up to my abuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skierman64 Posted December 18, 2018 Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 I know I have some Patagonia stuff in my closet. I'm going to start wearing it to races and then tagging Patagonia in my social media posts. Just because. 2 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Andress Posted December 20, 2018 Report Share Posted December 20, 2018 I never have and never will buy their products! Unless they start making stuff with more X's or I finally get back to my playing weight, then some decisions will have to be made Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcewena Posted December 20, 2018 Report Share Posted December 20, 2018 On 12/11/2018 at 8:17 PM, Racer28173 said: Let me start by saying that I am EXPLAINING not DEFENDING. There is a big difference between the Patagonia thing and the other examples given. Patagonia’s BRAND is on all of their goods. They need to make sure they don’t tarnish that brand by putting other brands that are inconsistent with their brand next to their brand. Their core customers tend to hug trees. It would be bad for them to put Motorsport branding next to theirs. That is what gives them the right to “discriminate”. If they were selling products that had no visible branding (like a cake), they couldn’t do what they are doing. It is similar to a sports star declining to do advertisements for a brand that doesn’t align with their image. That said, I won’t be buying any of their products. Like track suits on an old lady, not what Nike was hoping for. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEE DEE Posted May 17, 2019 Report Share Posted May 17, 2019 Incredible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBgotM Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 They do not align with my viewpoints, and I do not align with theirs. I own nothing from them, and I plan to keep it that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Advisory Committee Andrew D Johnson Posted June 10, 2019 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted June 10, 2019 On 12/11/2018 at 11:09 AM, Bremsen said: Personally, I'm a free market capitalist so it doesn't really matter if they don't want our money, we'll find someone that does. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bremsen Posted June 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2019 At least we're not alone. https://www.businessinsider.com/the-midtown-uniform-is-now-in-peril-as-patagonia-isnt-accepting-new-finance-clients-for-its-ubiquitous-fleece-vests-2019-4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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