TiredBirds Posted January 2, 2019 Report Share Posted January 2, 2019 Soooooo after re-reading the new rules one our engineers figured we are at 265. This was a 480 point car 2 years ago... In any event, What would you all spend the points on? We already have, headers, cam, oil pan, front and rear areo, Alum rad. All the other stuff is points free now. Since we are transferring everything to the new shell this would be a good time to make some changes. The car is a 305, 5 speed 88 Formula firebird. We do race the other $500 league so it'd be nice if we could make the swap back easy, intake and carb bring us to 365 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogtired Posted January 2, 2019 Report Share Posted January 2, 2019 rabble, rabble, rabble LS1, rabble, rabble, rabble.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiredBirds Posted January 2, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2019 8 minutes ago, dogtired said: rabble, rabble, rabble LS1, rabble, rabble, rabble.... nah we like going fast with a 305.. we do have a 350 that needs a little help but that's cheating. LS would be great cheap, cheap parts, easy find..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvumtnbkr Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 Spring height adjusters. Fender flares for bigger meats. Rad ducting. More aero. Fuel.... green font. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snorman Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 Coilovers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enginerd Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 How much fuel do you have? A supercharger would be pretty sweet and not as temperamental as a turbo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snorman Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, enginerd said: How much fuel do you have? A supercharger would be pretty sweet and not as temperamental as a turbo. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Advisory Committee mcoppola Posted January 3, 2019 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 1 hour ago, TiredBirds said: Soooooo after re-reading the new rules one our engineers figured we are at 265. This was a 480 point car 2 years ago... In any event, What would you all spend the points on? We already have, headers, cam, oil pan, front and rear areo, Alum rad. All the other stuff is points free now. Since we are transferring everything to the new shell this would be a good time to make some changes. The car is a 305, 5 speed 88 Formula firebird. We do race the other $500 league so it'd be nice if we could make the swap back easy, intake and carb bring us to 365 How do you come up with 265 when the car starts at 200? Headers = 25, cam = 50, front aero = 10-20, rear aero = 10-20, alum rad = 5, 10, or 30.... ???? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karman1970 Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 56 minutes ago, mcoppola said: How do you come up with 265 when the car starts at 200? Headers = 25, cam = 50, front aero = 10-20, rear aero = 10-20, alum rad = 5, 10, or 30.... ???? Don't forget the 25 point oil pan. Because those make you go SOOOOOO fast. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiredBirds Posted January 3, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 12 hours ago, wvumtnbkr said: Spring height adjusters. Fender flares for bigger meats. Rad ducting. More aero. Fuel.... green font. already running 17x9.5 with fat tires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiredBirds Posted January 3, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 11 hours ago, mcoppola said: How do you come up with 265 when the car starts at 200? Headers = 25, cam = 50, front aero = 10-20, rear aero = 10-20, alum rad = 5, 10, or 30.... ???? I didn't do the math. lets see.. car is 200+25 for 5 speed, 25 for pan, 20 for aero, 50 for cam,.not sure what the rad is now... perhaps he meant 365? Those engineers.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvumtnbkr Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 Why the 25 for 5 speed? A t5 was offered behind the 305. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiredBirds Posted January 3, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 1 hour ago, wvumtnbkr said: Why the 25 for 5 speed? A t5 was offered behind the 305. Might be right this car was a 305 5 speed, our last T/A was an Auto we converted. So I have 200 VPI, cam 50, headers 25, Oil pan 25, Pulley 5, Rad 10, aero 20. That's 315. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Advisory Committee mcoppola Posted January 3, 2019 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, TiredBirds said: Might be right this car was a 305 5 speed, our last T/A was an Auto we converted. So I have 200 VPI, cam 50, headers 25, Oil pan 25, Pulley 5, Rad 10, aero 20. That's 315. ^^^335 - > It's ok, We know math is tough for some folks once you get past how many fingers and toes you have.... sorry, couldn't resist..... Edited January 3, 2019 by mcoppola Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiredBirds Posted January 3, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 9 minutes ago, mcoppola said: ^^^335 - > It's ok, We know math is tough for some folks once you get past how many fingers and toes you have.... sorry, couldn't resist..... Dam missed the Aero... still leaves some points to use up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Advisory Committee mcoppola Posted January 3, 2019 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, TiredBirds said: Dam missed the Aero... still leaves some points to use up. Lower and stiffen the car via spring height adjusters, coliovers, and/or stiffer springs of some type, should be 40 points max, maybe less if you find springs in the Moog catalog that match your ID/OD with a stiffer rate, and you cut them down. (I can help you with the research on that if you need help.) You'll still have room for carb/intake, or better yet, EFI to help with fuel mileage. Then fender flares, rad ducting and more aero, as Rob said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiredBirds Posted January 3, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) 33 minutes ago, mcoppola said: Lower and stiffen the car via spring height adjusters, coliovers, and/or stiffer springs of some type, should be 40 points max, maybe less if you find springs in the Moog catalog that match your ID/OD with a stiffer rate, and you cut them down. (I can help you with the research on that if you need help.) You'll still have room for carb/intake, or better yet, EFI to help with fuel mileage. Then fender flares, rad ducting and more aero, as Rob said. We have stiffer springs and have lowered the car. We have Moog (cut) all the way around and they were deamed "stock" no points. EFI is way too expensive. The factory TPI runs out of steam at 5k. We might go to a Holley race 2bbl. Our Rad ducting was carbboard. We did cut and bend some duct work but never installed it. We don't have any cooling issues. We are already running 17x9.5 "vette" rims with 275/40/17's no need to cut the fenders or flare them. Edited January 3, 2019 by TiredBirds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Advisory Committee mcoppola Posted January 3, 2019 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 Sounds pretty awesome so far, good job on the spring replacements & cutting; and cooling system. How are your brakes? Although a lot can be done there too without points... Get your induction (for hp and mileage) set up, and possibly some aero, and it sounds like this build will give a Mustang (and the bimmers) a run for their money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiredBirds Posted January 3, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 8 minutes ago, mcoppola said: Sounds pretty awesome so far, good job on the spring replacements & cutting; and cooling system. How are your brakes? Although a lot can be done there too without points... Get your induction (for hp and mileage) set up, and possibly some aero, and it sounds like this build will give a Mustang (and the bimmers) a run for their money. we are using a BigBrakeUpgrade kit. C6 up front, car is 4 wheel disc. The 84 was pretty fast. This car should be a little faster as we know more about it. Time is killing us. Here is the 84 at another league event. (NJMP) The car got folded up the next year at the sam event... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpZHzZYXhJQ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enginerd Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 4 hours ago, wvumtnbkr said: Why the 25 for 5 speed? A t5 was offered behind the 305. Well, it can’t just be ANY T5. Has to be a T5 specifically offered in the firebird. There are tons of “T5” transmissions out there with different components and gear ratios and such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snorman Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 1 hour ago, TiredBirds said: Our Rad ducting was carbboard. We did cut and bend some duct work but never installed it. We don't have any cooling issues. Just FYI... We are taking a couple of points for materials to box our OEM radiator. I was told, very clearly, by both Ray and Jay in Tech at Sebring that boxing or ducting to the radiator when it is in the "stock location" is ZERO points. @Ray Franck told me if we moved the radiator or tried to reposition it there would be points, but not if it was in the stock location. S. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Advisory Committee Andrew D Johnson Posted January 3, 2019 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, Snorman said: Just FYI... We are taking a couple of points for materials to box our OEM radiator. I was told, very clearly, by both Ray and Jay in Tech at Sebring that boxing or ducting to the radiator when it is in the "stock location" is ZERO points. @Ray Franck told me if we moved the radiator or tried to reposition it there would be points, but not if it was in the stock location. S. That doesn't make sense. Why can't you change your rad position? If you are not adding material, it should be 0 points. Even if you use re-purposed material, moving your rad should be 0 points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snorman Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 1 minute ago, red0 said: That doesn't make sense. Why can't you change your rad position? If you are not adding material, it should be 0 points. Even if you use re-purposed material, moving your rad should be 0 points. He said there would be points for ducting if the radiator was moved or repositioned. I'm just stating what I was told. I didn't ask, they volunteered the info when I was going through the material points we claimed. S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Advisory Committee Andrew D Johnson Posted January 3, 2019 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Snorman said: He said there would be points for ducting if the radiator was moved or repositioned. I'm just stating what I was told. I didn't ask, they volunteered the info when I was going through the material points we claimed. S. Oh, OK 0 points for moving the rad. For the ducting you would be adding material, thus points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhr650 Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 I didn't get into repositioning the radiator, but was told that ducting in front of the radiator was free but any ducting behind the radiator would be points. I assume that cutting your hood and bending it down would still be free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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