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10 minutes ago, RyanGreener said:

Ahh...guess this has already been discussed.

It hasn't. Send info to tech and ask for a value. The FRS would be newer than any existing cars on the VPI table and I don't know if they have a policy or rule in place for vehicle age.

 

As far as comparisons to currently campaigned cars which may handle similarly to an (I assume quite nimble) FRS:

The FRS is just shy of 200 HP and has 13.2 gallons of fuel.... several teams run toyota MR2s with just about that much power and more fuel.

The Honda S2000 was just added to the VPI table at 500 points... it has more HP and the same amount of fuel.

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16 hours ago, MoparBoyy said:

its not all about HP vs Weight.. having a 10-15 year old newer car than the field means better ABS, Stability, and suspension.

Lap times from an independent tester might be useful as well:

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a23319884/lightning-lap-times-historical-data/

 

BRZ, #217; S2000, #196

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The FR-S in SCCA T4, at 2975 lbs (with driver) on Hoosier A7 tires, non-adjustable racing coilover suspension, LSD, stock intake, stock exhaust manifold, and 55mm flat plate air intake restrictor was turning 2:32 and change in qualifying at Sebring in cool weather, this past weekend.  That is with a top-notch driver (he was outside pole sitter at 2017 Runoffs).  Knock  3 - 4 seconds off that pace with 200TW tires and stock suspension.  The restrictor really doesn't do much, but just say that it is worth a second if you remove it.  So, you're looking at 2:34 - 2:36 lap times at Sebring, running 10/10.

 

The weight is a variable, though.  I got my FR-S down to about 2550 lbs without driver.  That is worth quite a bit, if you have some lightweight drivers.  It could bring that car back down into the 2:32 range.  That car would be a front-runner.

 

It is certainly newer and has some advanced features that would be nice (ABS, traction control for wet conditions), but it is not any faster than the front running cars in ChampCar.  As a note, I raced an FR-S for 3 seasons in SCCA.  I know the car well.  It handles very well and would be a fun car for endurance racing.  The engine is a bit fragile, though.

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33 minutes ago, Team Infiniti said:

If that pace +2 seconds is available all day, front runner flat out winner it would be, as it is now, most of the pack would be tickled pink to hit 2:40

 

Agreed.  Considering everything, 2:32 is probably a tough ask on 200TW tires and stock suspension.  You'd have to have that car really light with a light driver going 10/10.  That is not out of the question, though.

 

If I had to pin down a "all day" lap time at Sebring, I'd say 2:38 with good drivers.  The brakes would be awesome, that's for sure.

 

The stock fuel tank (saddle tank) will absolutely fuel starve when it gets down to less than 1/4 tank.  So, that would be a big issue.  There's a simple fix for it, but it still gets to a point where it won't pull fuel in long sweepers.

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2 minutes ago, Round3Racing said:

 

Agreed.  Considering everything, 2:32 is probably a tough ask on 200TW tires and stock suspension.  You'd have to have that car really light with a light driver going 10/10.  That is not out of the question, though.

 

If I had to pin down a "all day" lap time at Sebring, I'd say 2:38 with good drivers.  The brakes would be awesome, that's for sure.

 

The stock fuel tank (saddle tank) will absolutely fuel starve when it gets down to less than 1/4 tank.  So, that would be a big issue.  There's a simple fix for it, but it still gets to a point where it won't pull fuel in long sweepers.

If it is allowed, my opinion, would be 550+pts start point but even that may be low as someone may go auto trans.

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5 minutes ago, Team Infiniti said:

If it is allowed, my opinion, would be 550+pts start point but even that may be low as someone may go auto trans.

 

Yikes...that auto trans would be really unhappy.

 

You bring up another point, the stock transmission in the FR-S is also a weak point.  You'd need a nice collection of spare transmissions.

 

Without any room in the points for oil coolers, that car would have a tough time.  I would not race that car in enduros without an oil cooler.  Ever seen the bearings in that engine?  They look like bearings out of a kids toy.

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When thinking about new cars coming into Champcar,  one has to think about them being lighter than in any other series.  We have no min weight,  and virtually no regulation on what can be cut out.  So if a team would like to, they can create cars that by some peoples judgement are not safe.  So how fast is one of the twins at say 2200lbs, or 2100lbs?

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