RyanGreener Posted January 13, 2019 Report Share Posted January 13, 2019 Any chance we can get VPIs for those or does this have to be in an email? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Bill Strong Posted January 13, 2019 Administrators Report Share Posted January 13, 2019 Email info@champcar.org It will take A week or so to get a number back depending on tbe year. Give as much info as you can about the car Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoparBoyy Posted January 13, 2019 Report Share Posted January 13, 2019 if you are looking at racing an FRS.. you'll be in EC 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanGreener Posted January 13, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2019 28 minutes ago, MoparBoyy said: if you are looking at racing an FRS.. you'll be in EC Ahh...guess this has already been discussed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enginerd Posted January 13, 2019 Report Share Posted January 13, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, RyanGreener said: Ahh...guess this has already been discussed. It hasn't. Send info to tech and ask for a value. The FRS would be newer than any existing cars on the VPI table and I don't know if they have a policy or rule in place for vehicle age. As far as comparisons to currently campaigned cars which may handle similarly to an (I assume quite nimble) FRS: The FRS is just shy of 200 HP and has 13.2 gallons of fuel.... several teams run toyota MR2s with just about that much power and more fuel. The Honda S2000 was just added to the VPI table at 500 points... it has more HP and the same amount of fuel. Edited January 13, 2019 by enginerd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoparBoyy Posted January 14, 2019 Report Share Posted January 14, 2019 its not all about HP vs Weight.. having a 10-15 year old newer car than the field means better ABS, Stability, and suspension. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mender Posted January 14, 2019 Report Share Posted January 14, 2019 16 hours ago, MoparBoyy said: its not all about HP vs Weight.. having a 10-15 year old newer car than the field means better ABS, Stability, and suspension. Lap times from an independent tester might be useful as well: https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a23319884/lightning-lap-times-historical-data/ BRZ, #217; S2000, #196 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Advisory Committee Andrew D Johnson Posted January 14, 2019 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted January 14, 2019 Do you at least have a make model and year of the car in question? ? 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team Infiniti Posted January 14, 2019 Report Share Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, red0 said: Do you at least have a make model and year of the car in question? If the model is not posted, I would assume it is the most track competent of the mftr. Should I have used black? Edited January 14, 2019 by Team Infiniti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Advisory Committee Andrew D Johnson Posted January 14, 2019 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted January 14, 2019 6 minutes ago, Team Infiniti said: If the model is not posted, I would assume it is the most track competent of the mftr. Should I have used black? Track competent is quite subjective. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Round3Racing Posted January 14, 2019 Report Share Posted January 14, 2019 The FR-S in SCCA T4, at 2975 lbs (with driver) on Hoosier A7 tires, non-adjustable racing coilover suspension, LSD, stock intake, stock exhaust manifold, and 55mm flat plate air intake restrictor was turning 2:32 and change in qualifying at Sebring in cool weather, this past weekend. That is with a top-notch driver (he was outside pole sitter at 2017 Runoffs). Knock 3 - 4 seconds off that pace with 200TW tires and stock suspension. The restrictor really doesn't do much, but just say that it is worth a second if you remove it. So, you're looking at 2:34 - 2:36 lap times at Sebring, running 10/10. The weight is a variable, though. I got my FR-S down to about 2550 lbs without driver. That is worth quite a bit, if you have some lightweight drivers. It could bring that car back down into the 2:32 range. That car would be a front-runner. It is certainly newer and has some advanced features that would be nice (ABS, traction control for wet conditions), but it is not any faster than the front running cars in ChampCar. As a note, I raced an FR-S for 3 seasons in SCCA. I know the car well. It handles very well and would be a fun car for endurance racing. The engine is a bit fragile, though. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team Infiniti Posted January 14, 2019 Report Share Posted January 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, Round3Racing said: 2:32 range If that pace +2 seconds is available all day, front runner flat out winner it would be, as it is now, most of the pack would be tickled pink to hit 2:40 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Round3Racing Posted January 14, 2019 Report Share Posted January 14, 2019 33 minutes ago, Team Infiniti said: If that pace +2 seconds is available all day, front runner flat out winner it would be, as it is now, most of the pack would be tickled pink to hit 2:40 Agreed. Considering everything, 2:32 is probably a tough ask on 200TW tires and stock suspension. You'd have to have that car really light with a light driver going 10/10. That is not out of the question, though. If I had to pin down a "all day" lap time at Sebring, I'd say 2:38 with good drivers. The brakes would be awesome, that's for sure. The stock fuel tank (saddle tank) will absolutely fuel starve when it gets down to less than 1/4 tank. So, that would be a big issue. There's a simple fix for it, but it still gets to a point where it won't pull fuel in long sweepers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team Infiniti Posted January 14, 2019 Report Share Posted January 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Round3Racing said: Agreed. Considering everything, 2:32 is probably a tough ask on 200TW tires and stock suspension. You'd have to have that car really light with a light driver going 10/10. That is not out of the question, though. If I had to pin down a "all day" lap time at Sebring, I'd say 2:38 with good drivers. The brakes would be awesome, that's for sure. The stock fuel tank (saddle tank) will absolutely fuel starve when it gets down to less than 1/4 tank. So, that would be a big issue. There's a simple fix for it, but it still gets to a point where it won't pull fuel in long sweepers. If it is allowed, my opinion, would be 550+pts start point but even that may be low as someone may go auto trans. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Round3Racing Posted January 14, 2019 Report Share Posted January 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, Team Infiniti said: If it is allowed, my opinion, would be 550+pts start point but even that may be low as someone may go auto trans. Yikes...that auto trans would be really unhappy. You bring up another point, the stock transmission in the FR-S is also a weak point. You'd need a nice collection of spare transmissions. Without any room in the points for oil coolers, that car would have a tough time. I would not race that car in enduros without an oil cooler. Ever seen the bearings in that engine? They look like bearings out of a kids toy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team Infiniti Posted January 14, 2019 Report Share Posted January 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Round3Racing said: Yikes...that auto trans would be really unhappy. Perhaps so but we have succeeded using not one but 2 different nissan autotragics, never say it cant be done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zack_280 Posted January 14, 2019 Report Share Posted January 14, 2019 If it turns out to be as unreliable as an MR2, I'd say 300 pts. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABR-Glen Posted January 14, 2019 Report Share Posted January 14, 2019 A couple have run in WRL, including this one: https://iaa-auctions.com/flood-to-track/ They haven't set the world on fire in GP2, which the front running Champcars would easily compete with. 13.2 gallons of fuel for 200+hp seems like a pretty big handicap anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zack_280 Posted January 14, 2019 Report Share Posted January 14, 2019 No way to know for sure until you get an official response, but I would think similar to the S2000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Money Shift Racing Posted January 14, 2019 Report Share Posted January 14, 2019 Or build one for EC and go have a ton of fun. Seems like a great idea to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rod rammage Posted January 14, 2019 Report Share Posted January 14, 2019 They sell a kit to drop in a Honda engine to solve the engine issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Advisory Committee Andrew D Johnson Posted January 14, 2019 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted January 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, rod rammage said: They sell a kit to drop in a Honda engine to solve the engine issue. They do that for most of the small non Honda cars, miata, MR2, BRZ etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Money Shift Racing Posted January 14, 2019 Report Share Posted January 14, 2019 There is an LS swap kit for the GT86 chassis as well. Just sayin.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDChristianson Posted January 14, 2019 Report Share Posted January 14, 2019 When thinking about new cars coming into Champcar, one has to think about them being lighter than in any other series. We have no min weight, and virtually no regulation on what can be cut out. So if a team would like to, they can create cars that by some peoples judgement are not safe. So how fast is one of the twins at say 2200lbs, or 2100lbs? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jab31169 Posted January 14, 2019 Report Share Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) Do the vape mods and skinny jeans add or take away VPI? Edited January 14, 2019 by Jab31169 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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