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I live in the Raleigh area and my team and I are targeting a few events this year.  We likely wont be ready to run at VIR in March, but was wondering if we brought the car out, if it could get inspected and make sure we are on the right track.  If there is a tech advisor local to the area it would be great to have them stop by and take a look also.  Either way.  Just would like some technical eyes on the project to make sure we dont miss something silly.  Thanks! 

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Yes you can bring it to VIR and go through tech.

 

i am in Raleigh and would also be happy to take a look.

 

(note: I am not associated with Champcar in an official capacity)

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awesome, I'm actually in Wake Forest and would love another set of eyes to check it out.  we have a list of punch items, but really want to make sure our bases are covered before taking it out.  And then I may drag it up to VIR anyway to get an official check!

 

Not sure where you're located, or when you're available, but I should be around most of the weekend.  My name is Jason and my number is 919-412-9627

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Jason! Welcome.

 

Look forward to racing with you soon.

 

Our team, Winsome Racing is local to the triangle, too, based in Apex. We run an E30 and are wrenching on it Saturday.

 

Feel free to swing by with your car if you want a few dum dums to look at it. We ARE still alive after racing for some years, if that helps....

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12 hours ago, bendawson3 said:

Jason! Welcome.

 

Look forward to racing with you soon.

 

Our team, Winsome Racing is local to the triangle, too, based in Apex. We run an E30 and are wrenching on it Saturday.

 

Feel free to swing by with your car if you want a few dum dums to look at it. We ARE still alive after racing for some years, if that helps....

 

Thanks Ben! I may take you up on the swinging by part! Ill be doing some wrenching and trailer working on Saturday. 

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We are a new team to ChampCar from Ontario Canada. Our car is a 1991 Nissan 240SX with a bone stock KA24DE engine, cheap 2 way adjustable shocks, and a wide body kit (2” bump in stock fender profile). I read the rule supplement on fender flares and adding points for materials used, however, how do you decide on points for a wide body kit? We actually bought a used race car with current log book, and the body kit was already installed because of years of bumps and bruises on the stock sheet metal. Any input will help us. Thx TomB 

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Sq ft of non stock material.  

 

What material is the widebody made from?  If it is made from the stock material, I would just guess how much extra material is there.

 

If it's made from non stock material, expect to have a ton of points 

 

Doesn't matter if you bought it that way.  Doesnt matter why the new panels are on it.

 

Only matters is how many points it would cost for somebody else to recreate.

 

P.s. you should probably have started a new topic for this.

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Be prepared to take points for your aero stuff and adjustable shocks. Also, your carbon fiber wing isn't allowed but you might just run the car as-is in EC.

 

Good looking car.

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33 minutes ago, mender said:

Be prepared to take points for your aero stuff and adjustable shocks. Also, your carbon fiber wing isn't allowed but you might just run the car as-is in EC.

 

Good looking car.

I think we discussed CF before... the rulebook doesn’t exclude CF wings, it only excludes using CF when manufacturing ‘other’ components (not covered by the fixed point items list).

 

Some official people argued that the INTENT is “no CF anywhere”. (Ok, go make a change so that the rulebook reflects this intent).

 

I think the OP will be fine running that wing.... just get out some spray paint... cover up anything that looks like CF, and if asked, say that it is made from fiberglass. 

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Thanks for the valuable feedback. Our team is in “meltdown” thinking of giving up 35 handicap laps lol!
We will probably run the stock trunk and OEM spoiler and remove the coilovers with some non-adjustable set-up that meets the 2x OEM cost rule to save a ton of points.
The body kit is FRP, front fenders, see pic. Thx for any help you can give a new team. Here is how we figure the car sits as is.  Going EC in a 165hp car doesn’t seem like the answer.
thx TomB 
VPI 1991 Nissan 240SX           350 points 

Fixed point value 4.3.2 
Camber caster plates.               40 points
Differential cover.                        5 points 
Non-OE ignition.                        20 points
Oil cooler Non-OE.                    20 points
Aluminum radiator.                    20 points
Adjustable shock/strut.          300 points
Springs Non-OE coilover.        40 points
Wing/splitter.                             20 points
Material polycarbonate.           30 points

This doesn’t include Section 9.5 Body Panels

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Yep, those panels are not gonna be cheap....

 

I believe a hood alone was just valued at 25 pts recently.

 

I would expect about 150 pts for that body kit.  Just my opinion (not that I think it is worth that many equivalent points).

 

I would be thinking ec with this specific car.

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45 minutes ago, OGGS Racing said:
Thanks for the valuable feedback. Our team is in “meltdown” thinking of giving up 35 handicap laps lol!
We will probably run the stock trunk and OEM spoiler and remove the coilovers with some non-adjustable set-up that meets the 2x OEM cost rule to save a ton of points.
The body kit is FRP, front fenders, see pic. Thx for any help you can give a new team. Here is how we figure the car sits as is.  Going EC in a 165hp car doesn’t seem like the answer.
thx TomB 
VPI 1991 Nissan 240SX           350 points 

Fixed point value 4.3.2 
Camber caster plates.               40 points
Differential cover.                        5 points 
Non-OE ignition.                        20 points
Oil cooler Non-OE.                    20 points
Aluminum radiator.                    20 points
Adjustable shock/strut.          300 points
Springs Non-OE coilover.        40 points
Wing/splitter.                             20 points
Material polycarbonate.           30 points

This doesn’t include Section 9.5 Body Panels

 

Why are you counting 300pts for the adjustable shock/struts?

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7 minutes ago, QuaTTro said:

 

Why are you counting 300pts for the adjustable shock/struts?

The previous rule read as-
• shock absorbers/struts over the 2X limit: 25 pts per shock • shock absorbers/struts, adjustable: 75 pts per shock
• shock/strut-tower reinforcement bar (commercial or
homemade): 10 pts each
• springs, non-OE coil springs (including ‘coil-over’ kit): 10
pts per corner
I had Mender point out that they are now only 25 points per corner as per the 2019 rules
thx TomB
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As another team with a ton of points/laps on their car (we have a 750pt Supra), don't be afraid to run with a bunch of laps (or EC) for your first race or 2. Learn how to drive the car, manage the traffic, do a clean pitstop, etc, then worry about bringing down your points and doing your changes. 

 

Personally, I'd come up with a plan for changing shocks, make sure the fuel system is all in order (can it still feed the car in the corners at 1/8th of a tank?), get some good quickfill fuel cans, and go racing. Worry about the points and laps when you start consistently finishing clean races. 

 

Note: Camber plates are for a pair, so I assume you have plates front and rear? Also looks like you're looking at 2018 point values? Unless you have some fancy stuff, the shocks would be 25/each, rad is 10.

 

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Wittenauer, thanks for the valuable feedback. We agree with your sentiment. 

The car we bought has a very storied history, current log book, and a decade of competition in FIA CASC-OR, and VARAC.

The SR turbo motor was removed and replaced with a stock KA24DE, and has been fully sorted out for endurance racing.

Unfortunately we’re looking at an ice storm this week, so Racing seems like an impossible dream at this point. We’re starting off with 6 event weekends this season and look forward to meeting some new and old friends at the track.

thx TomB 

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Good luck with the platform.  It has a lot of pluses and minuses.

 

I've been running S Chassis' in different forms of racing for over a decade.  It's a great platform, but due to some rules in this league, there are some things that can/can't be done.  You can PM me if you've got questions.  Nice looking coupe.  I miss mine.  We currently campaign a S13 hatch.

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Going back to sheetmetal in the rear might be a hassle, but bolting stock fenders back up front might be an option to free up points.

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Thanks Tommy, it may be a possibility on the front, then we’d need to install some flares for the 10” tires to keep them inside the bodywork. I will take a stab at calculating the area of the front fenders and see what makes the most sense.

 Thx TomB 

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8 hours ago, OGGS Racing said:
Thanks for the valuable feedback. Our team is in “meltdown” thinking of giving up 35 handicap laps lol!
We will probably run the stock trunk and OEM spoiler and remove the coilovers with some non-adjustable set-up that meets the 2x OEM cost rule to save a ton of points.
The body kit is FRP, front fenders, see pic. Thx for any help you can give a new team. Here is how we figure the car sits as is.  Going EC in a 165hp car doesn’t seem like the answer.
thx TomB 
VPI 1991 Nissan 240SX           350 points 

Fixed point value 4.3.2 
Camber caster plates.               40 points
Differential cover.                        5 points 
Non-OE ignition.                        20 points
Oil cooler Non-OE.                    20 points
Aluminum radiator.                    20 points
Adjustable shock/strut.          300 points
Springs Non-OE coilover.        40 points
Wing/splitter.                             20 points
Material polycarbonate.           30 points

This doesn’t include Section 9.5 Body Panels

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i feel your pain buddy.......

 

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On 2/8/2019 at 8:30 AM, OGGS Racing said:
Material polycarbonate.           30 points

 

Is this for the rear windows? Rear window replacement with Lexan is free, so if that's what you're counting you can remove another 30 points.

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