theblue Posted March 21, 2019 Report Share Posted March 21, 2019 I was just looking at the rules to see how long my hans is good for with champ. I don't see anything in the rules about expiration for this? Only helmet SA2010 or newer. Is no re-certification needed on these? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Advisory Committee Chris Huggins Posted March 21, 2019 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted March 21, 2019 as of right now that is true. I expect they will change this in the name of "safety" soon.. One of our sponsors made quite a bit of money at a recent race by getting tech to tell people their hans were expired in gear-check. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jab31169 Posted March 21, 2019 Report Share Posted March 21, 2019 Can re-certify for 25 bucks. I would hope that our sponsor can do this recert trackside if needed. Looks like its supposed to be re-certified every 5 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted March 21, 2019 Report Share Posted March 21, 2019 (edited) FIA ones don't expire. Tethers do expire though so those need to be current. Edited March 21, 2019 by Snake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted March 21, 2019 Report Share Posted March 21, 2019 Just get it re-certified. It's less than $100, even if you need new tethers. Turn around time through Simpson was less than 2 weeks from the time it left my house when I did it last spring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRVOLKS Posted March 21, 2019 Report Share Posted March 21, 2019 8 hours ago, Huggy said: as of right now that is true. I expect they will change this in the name of "safety" soon.. One of our sponsors made quite a bit of money at a recent race by getting tech to tell people their hans were expired in gear-check. I thought sponsors are here to cut our costs??? Like Jab said just send it out for $25 did both of our wife's and mine. Mine was from over seas real Hans with a FIA label many techs are looking for the SFI cert now! I think if you go through tech with a FIA label now at most tracks and wish to race with it they are going to tell you to go over seas to race with it!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team Infiniti Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 Wait, I thought FIA was fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDChristianson Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 10 hours ago, theblue said: I was just looking at the rules to see how long my hans is good for with champ. I don't see anything in the rules about expiration for this? Only helmet SA2010 or newer. Is no re-certification needed on these? I always figured that when the a piece of equipment was past the date on the certification tag it was no longer certified, So of the rule says SFI certified one that is past the date is not certified any longer. The way the snell ratings work on helmets is a little different to me. A helmet that has a 2010 Snell rating, always has a 2010 rating. So race series decide how old they allow helmets to be by saying which ratings are allowed. That's just how I understand it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABR-Glen Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 12 hours ago, JDChristianson said: I always figured that when the a piece of equipment was past the date on the certification tag it was no longer certified, So of the rule says SFI certified one that is past the date is not certified any longer. The way the snell ratings work on helmets is a little different to me. A helmet that has a 2010 Snell rating, always has a 2010 rating. So race series decide how old they allow helmets to be by saying which ratings are allowed. That's just how I understand it. Dunno bout the new ones, but my hans has a "date of manufacture" not a "date of expiration" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDChristianson Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 8 minutes ago, ABR-Glen said: Dunno bout the new ones, but my hans has a "date of manufacture" not a "date of expiration" Yea I think your right. I also think somewhere it says it’s good for 5 years. I don’t know its so complicated. I do know for sure I just got our Necksgen back with new tethers, new pad and new sticker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Magic Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 FWIW lemons is strongly enforcing this, and was before we were.... The base of the hans does not expire, but the tethers and the friction pads can\do. If those don't grab\hold correctly, you simply have a neck splint to help when loading you onto the stretcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jab31169 Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 everytime I see the title of this thread... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABR-Glen Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Black Magic said: The base of the hans does not expire, but the tethers and the friction pads can\do. If that's the case, then the tethers should be certified and you should just be able to buy new replacements. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Advisory Committee Chris Huggins Posted March 22, 2019 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 I’d love to hear the “certification” process skeptical me, after seeing what happened at the recent race, says it’s “apply new sticker, collect money” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABR-Glen Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 23 minutes ago, Huggy said: I’d love to hear the “certification” process skeptical me, after seeing what happened at the recent race, says it’s “apply new sticker, collect money” It's practically a subscription model 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Magic Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 44 minutes ago, Huggy said: I’d love to hear the “certification” process skeptical me, after seeing what happened at the recent race, says it’s “apply new sticker, collect money” Your not far off, I think it is look at tether, bolt new ones in via the 2 straps, and apply sticker. Maybe glue on new friction pads. I can get mine done locally here, they can do it "over lunch". In the same vein, what forces belts kept inside a box to die every 5 years and helmets to all of a sudden be a liability in 10..... The answer is usually because someone did something stupid and forced a rule.... Part of the motorsports game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 3 hours ago, ABR-Glen said: If that's the case, then the tethers should be certified and you should just be able to buy new replacements. You can, tethers have dates on them just like belts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEE DEE Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 my tethers do not have a date Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Advisory Committee Chris Huggins Posted March 23, 2019 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 7 hours ago, Black Magic said: Your not far off, I think it is look at tether, bolt new ones in via the 2 straps, and apply sticker. Maybe glue on new friction pads. I can get mine done locally here, they can do it "over lunch". In the same vein, what forces belts kept inside a box to die every 5 years and helmets to all of a sudden be a liability in 10..... The answer is usually because someone did something stupid and forced a rule.... Part of the motorsports game Part of a game we don’t have to perpetuate. Questioning the logic behind how “others” do things is not inheritly bad. Where I get in trouble is that sometimes (ok, most of the time) my message comes across as negative and there “aggressive” or dissenting. If it’s really worthwhile, I’d be onboard. But somehow I’m not sold that seat belts are “unsafe” after 5 years in my garage and my hans straps are worn out after being stored in my closet for 3 years. We don’t replace belts in street cars that are stored outside and used daily. Sell me on that with real testing data. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewheelerZ Posted March 23, 2019 Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 ^^^ @Huggy Don't forget about window nets going bad and not being able to do what they are supposed to after the sfi date expires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted March 23, 2019 Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 Sometimes it's about reducing legal exposure to the club. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted March 23, 2019 Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 9 hours ago, Huggy said: Part of a game we don’t have to perpetuate. Questioning the logic behind how “others” do things is not inheritly bad. Where I get in trouble is that sometimes (ok, most of the time) my message comes across as negative and there “aggressive” or dissenting. If it’s really worthwhile, I’d be onboard. But somehow I’m not sold that seat belts are “unsafe” after 5 years in my garage and my hans straps are worn out after being stored in my closet for 3 years. We don’t replace belts in street cars that are stored outside and used daily. Sell me on that with real testing data. FIA, and SFI are doing the testing. They also publish some of the results. SFI Testing has shown that the belt material losses upwards of 50% of it's strength in something like 2 years. These are the things I understand. What I don't understand is the disparity between SFI and FIA testing, and why racing belts oxidize so quickly, and street car belts do not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racer28173 Posted March 23, 2019 Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 I think I remember someone saying that they assume that the car may be stored outdoors (because in places like So Cal that isn’t as crazy as it sounds) and they assume there is no glass or roof to prevent full sun exposure. Once you make those assumptions, you can see where a belt or window net wouldn’t last very long. If that is indeed the assumptions that they are making, then I personally think it should be discretion rather than rule. I’ve rented in a lot of cars and have seen plenty of things that the car owner could have spent money on that would have made a much bigger difference than replacing a net that was a few years old. My favorite was the seat that broke through the holes in the rusted floor pan during my stint and was only retained by the belts...... (yes, I pitted) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDChristianson Posted March 23, 2019 Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 Looks like SFI foundation email is. Sfi@sfifoundation.com. I would imagine they’d be happy to hear about the things they are doing wrong. Maybe they are maybe they aren’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Advisory Committee Ray Franck Posted March 23, 2019 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 1 hour ago, thewheelerZ said: ^^^ @Huggy Don't forget about window nets going bad and not being able to do what they are supposed to after the sfi date expires. So in the last year I found 4 window nets dated 1998 or earlier, are they good still ? Im not sure what causes the belts and nets to deteriorate and street belts do not , maybe the flame retardant treatment possibly ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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