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On 6/1/2019 at 10:46 AM, JDChristianson said:

@National Tech   What is below the bumper on a miata?  We have a response from Mike C.  I’m curious if we should be expecting something different. 

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Do as I did I did cut center opening to the fender drop to the splitter then fill it in with a brake cooling vent and claim 1 point for filler tin all ducking for cooling radiator is free all brakes ducking is free 

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19 hours ago, DRVOLKS said:

Do as I did I did cut center opening to the fender drop to the splitter then fill it in with a brake cooling vent and claim 1 point for filler tin all ducking for cooling radiator is free all brakes ducking is free 

Looking through the BCCR I'm curious where the statement you make about all ducting for radiators is free.  4.7. OTHER EQUIPMENT THAT DOES NOT COUNT TOWARD THE TOTAL POINT VALUE does not show this anywhere and I know we have been claiming materials for all of our ductwork outside of what was there OEM.  4.3.2. Fixed Point Value List does include brake ducts as 0 points and it apears you are claiming some materials for the gap in the bumper, I just want to know where the loophole is for free radiator ducting so we can free up some points.

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• Screens protecting radiator and brake duct openings from debris: 0 pts

• Air intake components ahead of throttle body (including air filter, air filter housing, air intake tubing, AFM/MAF): 0 pts

I had ask in the past on the radiator ducking and was told no pts. and as your read the rule book it kind gives you the guild line on it as above.

If you must just ask tech 

I like ducks and squirrels too

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Ducting to the radiator was considered part of the airdam by tech.  Ducting on other side of rad (towards driver) is points.

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On 5/31/2019 at 7:52 PM, National Tech said:

Just a reminder airdams start at the bottom of the riginal location of the oe bumper.  Anything above it, i.e. covering the oe bumper is going to cost you points, not many, because it is not a ton of square feet, but that extra strip can make a big difference on some cars so it can't be free.  Tech has to interpret existing rules so that they do not give a specific vehicle an unfair advantage. 

1:48:00, why is it different depending on who you talk to? Mike defined it in April, now we get a new interpretation?? 

 

"A vertical device is an air dam, it can be a little tiny strip at the bottom, it can cover the entire nose of the car, that is an air dam."

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I have asked let see on the radiator ducking as point it is all inside the bumper so it is not a air dam. 

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@National Tech how do you view reuse of factory parts to make splitters, wings, air dams?    I ask because this can be viewed two ways:

(1) reuse mean no points so free

(2) you have added a component which is fixed value and therefore take the minimum points hit for the item you have created.

 

I see a lot of people confused on this.

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<>Just a reminder airdams start at the bottom of the riginal location of the oe bumper.  Anything above it, i.e. covering the oe bumper is going to cost you points, not many, because it is not a ton of square feet, but that extra strip can make a big difference on some cars so it can't be free.  Tech has to interpret existing rules so that they do not give a specific vehicle an unfair advantage. </>

<note from CEO Mike Chisek -  The above paragraph has been redacted. There was a misunderstanding between tech and management as to the interpretation of the air dam rule.> 

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12 minutes ago, Bill Strong said:

<>Just a reminder airdams start at the bottom of the riginal location of the oe bumper.  Anything above it, i.e. covering the oe bumper is going to cost you points, not many, because it is not a ton of square feet, but that extra strip can make a big difference on some cars so it can't be free.  Tech has to interpret existing rules so that they do not give a specific vehicle an unfair advantage. </>

<note from CEO Mike Chisek -  The above paragraph has been redacted. There was a misunderstanding between tech and management as to the interpretation of the air dam rule.> 

Thanks. Love the prompt communication. It’s very helpful.  

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14 minutes ago, JDChristianson said:

Thanks. Love the prompt communication. It’s very helpful.  

 

And to think it happened here in the local pub. 

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1 hour ago, Burningham said:

 

And to think it happened here in the local pub. 

Ya know.  That really would be a better name for this forum thing.   

Champcar Pub.  Grab a beverage and share some BS.  You might learn something....or at least it’ll keep you off the porn sites 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Bill Strong said:

<>Just a reminder airdams start at the bottom of the riginal location of the oe bumper.  Anything above it, i.e. covering the oe bumper is going to cost you points, not many, because it is not a ton of square feet, but that extra strip can make a big difference on some cars so it can't be free.  Tech has to interpret existing rules so that they do not give a specific vehicle an unfair advantage. </>

<note from CEO Mike Chisek -  The above paragraph has been redacted. There was a misunderstanding between tech and management as to the interpretation of the air dam rule.> 

Sweet!  2pts back!

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2 hours ago, Bill Strong said:

<>Just a reminder airdams start at the bottom of the riginal location of the oe bumper.  Anything above it, i.e. covering the oe bumper is going to cost you points, not many, because it is not a ton of square feet, but that extra strip can make a big difference on some cars so it can't be free.  Tech has to interpret existing rules so that they do not give a specific vehicle an unfair advantage. </>

<note from CEO Mike Chisek -  The above paragraph has been redacted. There was a misunderstanding between tech and management as to the interpretation of the air dam rule.> 

So, what is the correct interpretation?

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1 hour ago, enginerd said:

So, what is the correct interpretation?

Vertical element 10pts

Horizontal element 10pts 

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23 minutes ago, Wink said:

Vertical element 10pts

Horizontal element 10pts 

And this differs from what tech said, that Bill just nixxed, because tech implied that small vertical elements could be valued at some amount less than 10 points?

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7 hours ago, DRVOLKS said:

• Screens protecting radiator and brake duct openings from debris: 0 pts

• Air intake components ahead of throttle body (including air filter, air filter housing, air intake tubing, AFM/MAF): 0 pts

I had ask in the past on the radiator ducking and was told no pts. and as your read the rule book it kind gives you the guild line on it as above.

If you must just ask tech 

I like ducks and squirrels too

got ruling 

duct work behind bumper and in front of radiator is free

brake ducks free

air intake before throttle body is free

cold airbox is materials 

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7 minutes ago, DRVOLKS said:

cold airbox is materials 

SMH. Who is coming up with this? It’s part of the free intake / air filter stuff! They allow free AFM to MAF conversions FFS. But a heat shield adds points? @National Tech

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1 hour ago, DRVOLKS said:

got ruling 

duct work behind bumper and in front of radiator is free

brake ducks free

air intake before throttle body is free

cold airbox is materials 

Jay emailed me what you see 

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5 hours ago, enginerd said:

SMH. Who is coming up with this? It’s part of the free intake / air filter stuff! They allow free AFM to MAF conversions FFS. But a heat shield adds points? @National Tech

Yeah we got dinged for this and needless to say I was quite surprised. Used some free material from work and 30 minutes of my time to make a heat shield and it costs points. But I can shell out huge money to convert to a MAF for actual gains. Lmao

 

 

but i didn’t argue because we have points available. 

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15 hours ago, enginerd said:

SMH. Who is coming up with this? It’s part of the free intake / air filter stuff! They allow free AFM to MAF conversions FFS. But a heat shield adds points? @National Tech

 

10 hours ago, shutupracing said:

Yeah we got dinged for this and needless to say I was quite surprised. Used some free material from work and 30 minutes of my time to make a heat shield and it costs points. But I can shell out huge money to convert to a MAF for actual gains. Lmao

 

 

but i didn’t argue because we have points available. 

 

14 hours ago, DRVOLKS said:

Jay emailed me what you see 

 

Per the Board of Directors - Cold air boxes are free.  Anything upstream of the throttle body is free.

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My new airbox is as wide as the car and happens to be under the front bumper and sticks out 12 inches.

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17 hours ago, DRVOLKS said:

got ruling 

duct work behind bumper and in front of radiator is free

brake ducks free

air intake before throttle body is free

cold airbox is materials 

 

1 hour ago, Bill Strong said:

Per the Board of Directors - Cold air boxes are free.  Anything upstream of the throttle body is free.

Uhh yeah "air intake" and "cold airbox" both mean the air filter before the throttle body, this like most rulings seem to make no sense.

In other words this vv

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is replaced by this vv, it's one in the same thing.

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1 hour ago, theblue said:

My new airbox is as wide as the car and happens to be under the front bumper and sticks out 12 inches.

Hahahaha! I thought the exact same thing!  "My splitter is well in-front of/"upstream" of the throttle body"!!  

 

Actually, now that I think about it, so is basically the entire engine, the rad, the brakes....  oh yeah, and how about this big donkey turbo I have mounted upstream of the throttle body?

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