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FOX/Öhlins coilovers vs Bilstein w springs (Nc miata)


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Hi

1.

Ignoring points at the moment.

From a handling perspective what is your take on a good set of coilovers vs Bilstein sports with some stiffer OEM spring replacements?

 

Assume spring rates are the same. 

 

2.

I currently have FM Fox coilovers on my 2006 miata. Plan was to run EC and keep the shocks but it's too stiff for our bumpy track (Harris hill). Spring rates are 500/375. FM recommends 550/475 for track and 380/300 for street. So I am in between. 

Car handles amazing, how much worse do you think it will be with Bilsteins and springs instead? 

The springs I plan to run is 300/200. (This would make the car non EC).

 

 

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17 hours ago, QuaTTro said:

Make your car non-EC so you can run in B-Class with us!

 

Looks like the B class is growing from being almost empty:

- Swapped Miatas

- Modern Miatas

- Audis (One turbo and one quattro)

- Ford Focuss

 

Our team will win B class this year if swapped Miatas driveline granades,  NC Miatas transmissions explodes, Audi quattro 4wd gizmos burns, Audi turbos catches on fire, Focuses hubs falls apart.

 

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, turbogrill said:

 

Looks like the B class is growing from being almost empty:

- Swapped Miatas

- Modern Miatas

- Audis (One turbo and one quattro)

- Ford Focuss

 

Our team will win B class this year if swapped Miatas driveline granades,  NC Miatas transmissions explodes, Audi quattro 4wd gizmos burns, Audi turbos catches on fire, Focuses hubs falls apart.

 

 

 

 

 

That's why you need to join us.  Don't watch the mayhem from EC!

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3 minutes ago, turbogrill said:

 

From what I remember at a typical H2R race EC is slower than both A and B class! Only D is slower than EC :)

 

 

I have no idea, as our Audi is one of the slowest cars out there from a laptime perspective.  Something about PWR and that heavy quattro drivetrain. 

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Just now, QuaTTro said:

 

I have no idea, as our Audi is one of the slowest cars out there from a laptime perspective.  Something about PWR and that heavy quattro drivetrain. 

 

I guess you would dominate if it was snowing.

 

Does AWD help in the rain??

 

If so the march race is typically  a submarine race.

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24 minutes ago, turbogrill said:

 

I guess you would dominate if it was snowing.

 

Does AWD help in the rain??

 

If so the march race is typically  a submarine race.

 

Good drivers are more important than AWD in the rain.  I do remember a couple races ago it was a partially wet track and we were able to pass people easily enough in the wet left-hand sweeper (dam turn)

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On 8/18/2019 at 1:48 PM, turbogrill said:

Hi

1.

Ignoring points at the moment.

From a handling perspective what is your take on a good set of coilovers vs Bilstein sports with some stiffer OEM spring replacements?

 

Assume spring rates are the same. 

 

2.

I currently have FM Fox coilovers on my 2006 miata. Plan was to run EC and keep the shocks but it's too stiff for our bumpy track (Harris hill). Spring rates are 500/375. FM recommends 550/475 for track and 380/300 for street. So I am in between. 

Car handles amazing, how much worse do you think it will be with Bilsteins and springs instead? 

The springs I plan to run is 300/200. (This would make the car non EC).

 

 

What does the car weigh?  Most of the teams I know of are running between 650-800lbs fronts and 300-400lb. rears....Now that is on NA's that weigh between 2k-2.2k.  So results may very.

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7 hours ago, QuaTTro said:

 

Good drivers are more important than ...

 

na...power and attitude is what matters.

 

8 minutes ago, hotchkis23 said:

What does the car weigh?  Most of the teams I know of are running between 650-800lbs fronts and 300-400lb. rears....Now that is on NA's that weigh between 2k-2.2k.  So results may very.

 

Ours is typically 100-200 lbs heavier than a NA. But the NC has less spring rate I think (all different suspension), so a track NA might be 700 lbs whilst a NC is 500 lbs.

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Just now, turbogrill said:

 

na...power and attitude is what matters.

 

 

Ours is typically 100-200 lbs heavier than a NA. But the NC has less spring rate I think (all different suspension), so a track NA might be 700 lbs whilst a NC is 500 lbs.

Makes sense, just going off of what we know with our car and others.  Does 949 or FM have a true track spec?  I would start there for a baseline.  Glad to see you settled on a new path!

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