turbogrill Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 Hi There was a post saying that aftermarket hubs are now 5pts. However the rules mention nothing about this? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckyKid Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 Lol.. that's an unwritten rule. Just like flywheels. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 The communication between tech, management and TAC is embarrassing, 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Bill Strong Posted September 2, 2019 Administrators Report Share Posted September 2, 2019 no it's not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slugworks Paul Posted September 2, 2019 Report Share Posted September 2, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Bill Strong said: no it's not. Good point Bill! You make the most compelling arguments Edited September 2, 2019 by Slugworks Paul 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Bill Strong Posted September 2, 2019 Administrators Report Share Posted September 2, 2019 long trip from Connecticut today, and now working with teams out west trying to sign up for races. plus getting ready for next weeks Nelson 24h. which you should be at. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbogrill Posted September 2, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2019 I am 100% confused. Will the 5pts for hubs be in the rules or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mender Posted September 2, 2019 Report Share Posted September 2, 2019 3 hours ago, Bill Strong said: no it's not. Not happening? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morganf Posted September 2, 2019 Report Share Posted September 2, 2019 12 hours ago, Bill Strong said: no it's not. 9 hours ago, mender said: Not happening? Dang we were excited about 5pt hubs too maybe next year. Oh wait, is this still on the secret rule list? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvumtnbkr Posted September 2, 2019 Report Share Posted September 2, 2019 Can somebody official please clarify this thread? @National Tech @Ray Franck Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Advisory Committee mcoppola Posted September 3, 2019 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted September 3, 2019 @National Tech DID clarify this a few months back. Search the thread about this subject from earlier in the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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turbogrill Posted September 3, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2019 This is how I imagine the conversation would go: Tech: Hubs are 10pts per corner, 20pts total for you my friend. Me: Points are now 2.5pts Tech: What? Me: It's a new rule, hubs are 2.5pts Tech: Where did you hear that? Me: Internet. Tech: I will give you 100 penalty points for being an idiot. Me: ok. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvumtnbkr Posted September 3, 2019 Report Share Posted September 3, 2019 3 hours ago, mcoppola said: @National Tech DID clarify this a few months back. Search the thread about this subject from earlier in the year. 1) It's not in the new rules. 2) Bill made some post above that made it confusing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotrod Posted September 3, 2019 Report Share Posted September 3, 2019 I didn't find hubs listed separately so......under 4.3.2......"Suspension component (not otherwise listed in this table), non-OE: 10 pts per corner" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wink Posted September 3, 2019 Report Share Posted September 3, 2019 3 hours ago, turbogrill said: This is how I imagine the conversation would go: Tech: Hubs are 10pts per corner, 20pts total for you my friend. Me: Points are now 2.5pts Tech: What? Me: It's a new rule, hubs are 2.5pts Tech: Where did you hear that? Me: Internet. Tech: I will give you 100 penalty points for being an idiot. Me: ok. Real advice for new teams! Dont go through tech with what you think is a 500 pt car anymore. Wiggle room is needed for "interpretation" 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Originalsterm Posted September 3, 2019 Report Share Posted September 3, 2019 13 minutes ago, Wink said: Real advice for new teams! Dont go through tech with what you think is a 500 pt car anymore. Wiggle room is needed for "interpretation" That is actual, real, serious advise all teams should take. I tried to get clarification via email only to be surprised when I got to the track for my first race this season. The wiggle room is a good way to avoid being bumped to EC or taking penalty laps, at least until the rules are solidified or "interpretations" are eliminated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Advisory Committee mcoppola Posted September 3, 2019 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 hour ago, wvumtnbkr said: 1) It's not in the new rules. 2) Bill made some post above that made it confusing. 35 minutes ago, hotrod said: I didn't find hubs listed separately so......under 4.3.2......"Suspension component (not otherwise listed in this table), non-OE: 10 pts per corner" In the past, Aftermarket hubs fell under 4.3.2 as @hotrod pointed out above, but this year they were lowered to 2.5 points/side, as @National Tech stated in the post I linked above. I'll suggest, and try to get this placed in the FPV list so that there's no confusion. Please be patient. Also, please note that as stated in the other thread, this rule benefits cars like the Focus , but I purposely did not get involved in the decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodger Coan-Burningham Posted September 4, 2019 Report Share Posted September 4, 2019 On 9/1/2019 at 6:22 PM, Snake said: The communication between tech, management and TAC is embarrassing, The communication between tech, management, and TAC is pretty good. We converse almost every day. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted September 4, 2019 Report Share Posted September 4, 2019 9 minutes ago, Burningham said: The communication between tech, management, and TAC is pretty good. We converse almost every day. Then how are things not making it into the rule book after discussions, clarifications and interpretations? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Bill Strong Posted September 9, 2019 Administrators Report Share Posted September 9, 2019 On 9/3/2019 at 11:50 PM, Snake said: Then how are things not making it into the rule book after discussions, clarifications and interpretations? Maybe because it was decided not to put it in the book? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enginerd Posted September 9, 2019 Report Share Posted September 9, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Bill Strong said: Maybe because it was decided not to put it in the book? I had to fight, even write a petition, to get the diffuser point value put into the rulebook. Why is there this resistance from management? If an item has been determined to have a certain point value, why not put it into the rulebook so that teams considering that modification know how much it will cost them? Edited September 9, 2019 by enginerd 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted September 9, 2019 Report Share Posted September 9, 2019 52 minutes ago, Bill Strong said: Maybe because it was decided not to put it in the book? So it's not a rule. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mender Posted September 9, 2019 Report Share Posted September 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Snake said: So it's not a rule. Nope, not a rule, just another of those things that you have to read the forum to know. Maybe it's another one of those fudge factors. Sure glad that a new team can get all the info they need to join the series by reading the rules. Not like the bad old days when you had to show up at a few races and talk to the right people before building a car. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mender Posted September 9, 2019 Report Share Posted September 9, 2019 On 9/3/2019 at 9:39 PM, Burningham said: The communication between tech, management, and TAC is pretty good. We converse almost every day. conversely [kənˈvərslē, ˈkänˌvərslē] ADVERB introducing a statement or idea which reverses one that has just been made or referred to. "we're not going to have enough onions to last the year, while courgettes, conversely, are in a major surplus" synonyms: inversely · the other way around · contrariwise · oppositely · in reverse · reciprocally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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