snafu2002 Posted September 27, 2019 Report Share Posted September 27, 2019 Howdy, I'm at the stage of adding our window net. I installed one mount. Bases on this picture, can you tell me if this net looks far enough forward or do I remove that mount and add another one farther forward? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cagedruss Posted September 27, 2019 Report Share Posted September 27, 2019 Rule used to state that it had to be forward of the steering wheel Get yourself an trapizoidal window net. Solves all the issues. Top is the same size but bottom is 6 inches longer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cagedruss Posted September 27, 2019 Report Share Posted September 27, 2019 Comes in fish net or ribbon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pintodave Posted September 27, 2019 Report Share Posted September 27, 2019 As a last resort, if you have something really odd ball shaped or weird length/width/height, make a 1-piece cardboard template and you can mail it to Simpson and they'll make you one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Advisory Committee mcoppola Posted September 27, 2019 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted September 27, 2019 (edited) I've done a lot of research on window nets when building cages. RJS makes the biggest one that I found. Jegs is one of the only places I've seen it for sale. Here's a link to it. https://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/SearchResultsPageCmd?Ntt=140-10000201&requestYear=&storeId=10001&catalogId=10002&langId=-1&year=&make=&model=&submodel=&engine=&Nrpp=&No=&persistYmm=false Edited September 27, 2019 by mcoppola 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu2002 Posted September 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2019 (edited) Thanks everyone, and thanks for the links and images, those help out a lot. Does anyone have any images showing what you did for the bottom mounting of the windows net to the side bar? Primarily what I'm looking for, is what people have done if the net isn't quite long enough to reach the side bar. Edited September 27, 2019 by snafu2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimS Posted September 27, 2019 Report Share Posted September 27, 2019 (edited) If you are building an E30 we had our friends at Safecraft Restraint Systems (thank you Charles) build us a custom fit window net. FIA certified(certification should be good for 5 years). It could be used on a similar sized window opening. You would just need the top bar and latch setup. Straps on bottom are long enough to loop around door bars of roll cage. I should have it installed next week or so and I’ll post a pic of it installed. I’m hoping they will add a new part number to there system so anyone can buy one. Dimensions maybe hard to see sorry Edited September 27, 2019 by TimS Extra info and spelling 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pintodave Posted September 27, 2019 Report Share Posted September 27, 2019 2 hours ago, snafu2002 said: Thanks everyone, and thanks for the links and images, those help out a lot. Does anyone have any images showing what you did for the bottom mounting of the windows net to the side bar? Primarily what I'm looking for, is what people have done if the net isn't quite long enough to reach the side bar. Depending on if you plan on keeping your doors shut during pit stops, you could build risers off of the top bar. If you open your doors a lot this could be not optimal as the risers would give the drivers something to get hung up on and possibly tear their suits. Looking at the pic you posted, the rearmost mount you could get back near the b-pillar so it would be out of the way completely even if it was sticking up (I can't see your main hoop in that pic, but you could also put the tab for the rearmost mount of the net right off of that if the main hoop is close enough). I've seen some people use cable or a metal bar link on the front side to help drop it out of the way when the net is down. I've never done one like that but maybe someone could post up a picture of their setup like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BollingerChump Posted September 27, 2019 Report Share Posted September 27, 2019 2 hours ago, snafu2002 said: Thanks everyone, and thanks for the links and images, those help out a lot. Does anyone have any images showing what you did for the bottom mounting of the windows net to the side bar? Primarily what I'm looking for, is what people have done if the net isn't quite long enough to reach the side bar. This might be helpful.. https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productdetails.asp?RecId=12055&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=RQP705005&gclid=Cj0KCQjw5rbsBRCFARIsAGEYRwelPBcLVbC0z8HlTU_8XqGj6DpgETXZ2W6De_beYidoa_CFp0fOz70aAtBgEALw_wcB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewheelerZ Posted September 27, 2019 Report Share Posted September 27, 2019 24 minutes ago, BollingerChump said: This might be helpful.. https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productdetails.asp?RecId=12055&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=RQP705005&gclid=Cj0KCQjw5rbsBRCFARIsAGEYRwelPBcLVbC0z8HlTU_8XqGj6DpgETXZ2W6De_beYidoa_CFp0fOz70aAtBgEALw_wcB This is exactly what we use. 3-4 straps looped into the bottom of the net. A bar inside the net to give some extra strength. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ETR Posted September 27, 2019 Report Share Posted September 27, 2019 Kinda expensive, but worth every penny https://www.ioportracing.com/i/o-port-products/window-net-with-bottom-strap-mounting-angled-i/o-port/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Advisory Committee mcoppola Posted September 27, 2019 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted September 27, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, BollingerChump said: This might be helpful.. https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productdetails.asp?RecId=12055&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=RQP705005&gclid=Cj0KCQjw5rbsBRCFARIsAGEYRwelPBcLVbC0z8HlTU_8XqGj6DpgETXZ2W6De_beYidoa_CFp0fOz70aAtBgEALw_wcB @BollingerChump beat me to it. This is exactly what I was thinking of, and is my preferred method. @pintodave also mentioned using a cable, or guys have even had me mount the bottom front of the net with a chain welded to the door bar that the rod goes through a link of it. All of the above methods allow the net to drop down during pit stops, without mounting protrusions above the door bars that the driver could get hung up on. Edited September 27, 2019 by mcoppola 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu2002 Posted September 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2019 (edited) Thanks again everyone, I will probably go with the Pegasus option, that looks straight forward and easy. I saw that on the internet but couldn't figure out if that was allowed in Champcar. Edited September 27, 2019 by snafu2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Posted September 27, 2019 Report Share Posted September 27, 2019 Literally just went through this problem last weekend. I went with the racequip strap kit shown above, and the racequip mount kit that you have. If I had to do it over again I would have gone with the longer lower bar that's hinged at its rear attachment point. I believe its longer anyway, which would help with the trapezoid shaped nets. I was hoping that this window net was going to be more... trapezoidy. Note that this car/setup hasn't passed tech yet, still slowly slowly slowly building. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimS Posted September 27, 2019 Report Share Posted September 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Max said: This strap setup was how our original net was mounted with the bar on the bottom. New net will have straps incorporated into the net itself allowing you to loop around door bars. So when released there is no bar to fall out or get hung up on the driver. I’ll post a picture when I have it mounted 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Advisory Committee mcoppola Posted September 27, 2019 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted September 27, 2019 @Max If you need taco gussets made up to make those door bars legal, get in touch with me. Although I'm pretty sure that @cagedruss could hook you up too. For some samples, look on my profile, and click on the "Albums" button toward the right of the screen. There are various taco gusset pictures there. We just made some up for another racer and shipped them to him before the Indy race. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Posted September 27, 2019 Report Share Posted September 27, 2019 Thanks Mike. Those gussets look awesome, and I've thought about putting them in. I PM'd you a little while back when I was building the door bars after seeing the ones you built for another member here. I *believe* mine are legal as is, because I have a sill bar. However, I would like to add gussets in the future. Right now I'm in "just finish the car" mode, but I'll certainly reach out to you or Russ in the future, probably before the car's first race! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu2002 Posted September 28, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2019 @Max it sounds like you are at a similar stage as me. We are supposed to be racing at VIR in December, we should be able to finish it off, the net is the new focus, then fire suppression, wheels and tires and other minor stuff. I have been working almost every night on this thing for past 5 months and have had some help from some of the other guys (one of the guys helped out a ton with the welding). Anyhow, good luck and thanks for sharing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimS Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 I got my Custom window net in from Safecraft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimS Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 With door closed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 On 9/27/2019 at 6:25 PM, snafu2002 said: @Max it sounds like you are at a similar stage as me. We are supposed to be racing at VIR in December, we should be able to finish it off, the net is the new focus, then fire suppression, wheels and tires and other minor stuff. I have been working almost every night on this thing for past 5 months and have had some help from some of the other guys (one of the guys helped out a ton with the welding). Anyhow, good luck and thanks for sharing. Good luck @snafu2002, hope you make it. Makes it easier when you have some friends show up and take some of the workload off your shoulders. Let us know how you do at VIR! I'm shooting for July at PIR (LDRL) for my car's debut. Hopefully. Right now the car is being built in 30 minute increments after putting the kids to bed. I might need every bit of time between now and July . @TimS that looks excellent! Thanks for the tip! Also your rear lexan 1/4 glass looks good, I need to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimS Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 (edited) Thankfully the original owner cut and installed the lexan. Window net came out better than I had hoped. Edited October 4, 2019 by TimS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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