TiredBirds Posted September 21, 2020 Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 Bid to win... Corvette 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoparBoyy Posted September 21, 2020 Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 except that one has a factory body on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiredBirds Posted September 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 18 minutes ago, MoparBoyy said: except that one has a factory body on it. Nothing that can't be fixed.... wide body Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snorman Posted September 21, 2020 Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 I mean...there are literally a ton of C3 Corvettes for sale, sooooo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoparBoyy Posted September 21, 2020 Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 39 minutes ago, TiredBirds said: Nothing that can't be fixed.... wide body except those are fender flares you add to the stock body. the other car has a complete aftermarket body. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karman1970 Posted September 21, 2020 Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, MoparBoyy said: except those are fender flares you add to the stock body. the other car has a complete aftermarket body. Did they install it on top of the 60% of the original body that the rules require you to leave intact? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skierman64 Posted September 21, 2020 Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, karman1970 said: Did they install it on top of the 60% of the original body that the rules require you to leave intact? Not a chance. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvumtnbkr Posted September 21, 2020 Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, karman1970 said: Did they install it on top of the 60% of the original body that the rules require you to leave intact? I was gonna refute this point by saying it just needs to appear to be 60% of the body.... Then I looked up the actual rule. 9.5.2. Each car entered must have a minimum of SIXTY PERCENT (60%) of the total ORIGINAL body work and panels on the car. How are they going to get around that one? Edited September 21, 2020 by wvumtnbkr 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbogrill Posted September 21, 2020 Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 37 minutes ago, wvumtnbkr said: I was gonna refute this point by saying it just needs to appear to be 60% of the body.... Then I looked up the actual rule. 9.5.2. Each car entered must have a minimum of SIXTY PERCENT (60%) of the total ORIGINAL body work and panels on the car. How are they going to get around that one? Maybe they have it underneath the bodywork 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skierman64 Posted September 21, 2020 Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 23 minutes ago, turbogrill said: Maybe they have it underneath the bodywork I wish I'd taken pics of it up on jackstands with the wheels off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snorman Posted September 21, 2020 Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 1 hour ago, wvumtnbkr said: I was gonna refute this point by saying it just needs to appear to be 60% of the body.... Then I looked up the actual rule. 9.5.2. Each car entered must have a minimum of SIXTY PERCENT (60%) of the total ORIGINAL body work and panels on the car. How are they going to get around that one? There is no way to get around it without violating that provision of the BCCR or them being given a pass. That is 100% NOT the "ORIGINAL body work and panels". It's not the "ORIGINAL body work and panels" underneath of it either. That is clearly an aftermarket Eckler (or similar) Turbo widebody kit. Same vents, same fender, door and quarter panel flare profiles. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbogrill Posted September 21, 2020 Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 why the aftermarket kit? Better aero? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collinskl1 Posted September 21, 2020 Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, turbogrill said: why the aftermarket kit? Better aero? to fit 335 width tires 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbogrill Posted September 21, 2020 Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 16 minutes ago, collinskl1 said: to fit 335 width tires I would go wider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snorman Posted September 21, 2020 Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 31 minutes ago, turbogrill said: why the aftermarket kit? Better aero? IMO, it really doesn't matter. Tech wanted to give us 48 points for a hood. They got out a tape measure and measured it. We were told the Camaro guys running fiberglass hoods were taking big points too. I would ask if the square footage of the entire body kit was measured and multiplied by 3 points/SF but it's a moot point. The car doesn't have 60% of the "ORIGINAL body work and panels". Also note, GM didn't make a convertible Corvette in '78, so that's missing too and included in that lack of 60%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbogrill Posted September 21, 2020 Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, Snorman said: IMO, it really doesn't matter. Tech wanted to give us 48 points for a hood. They got out a tape measure and measured it. We were told the Camaro guys running fiberglass hoods were taking big points too. I would ask if the square footage of the entire body kit was measured and multiplied by 3 points/SF but it's a moot point. The car doesn't have 60% of the "ORIGINAL body work and panels". Also note, GM didn't make a convertible Corvette in '78, so that's missing too and included in that lack of 60%. haha 48 points for a hood.......how much they weight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snorman Posted September 21, 2020 Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, turbogrill said: haha 48 points for a hood.......how much they weight? On appeal to the Event Director it was reduced to 25 points, then put on the fixed value list for 2019. But the fact remains, they wanted to assess us for 16 square feet of material. And the gutted stock hook (which is fiberglass composite anyway) weighs the same or less than the raised cowl hood did. And I personally prefer it because of the better visibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Advisory Committee Andrew D Johnson Posted September 21, 2020 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 58 minutes ago, Snorman said: I would ask if the square footage of the entire body kit was measured and multiplied by 3 points/SF but it's a moot point. The car doesn't have 60% of the "ORIGINAL body work and panels". Also note, GM didn't make a convertible Corvette in '78, so that's missing too and included in that lack of 60%. I don't know that it is moot. I heard that the car will be re-teched at Road America before racing. I'm assuming that their yearly tech was revoked when the points were added Saturday night at Indy. If you have concerns on values or parts on that car, I would make sure your concerns are heard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snorman Posted September 21, 2020 Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, red0 said: I don't know that it is moot. I heard that the car will be re-teched at Road America before racing. I'm assuming that their yearly tech was revoked when the points were added Saturday night at Indy. If you have concerns on values or parts on that car, I would make sure your concerns are heard. Do you think something so blatant as this just slipped through the cracks like a non-OE radiator (are they running the stock radiator?) or non-OE engine/trans mounts (are they running OE engine/trans mounts?)? It's literally the most obvious thing on this car. And they got charged 45 points. In any case, the BCCR is very clear. It couldn't be any more clear. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Advisory Committee Andrew D Johnson Posted September 21, 2020 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Snorman said: Do you think something so blatant as this just slipped through the cracks like a non-OE radiator (are they running the stock radiator?) or non-OE engine/trans mounts (are they running OE engine/trans mounts?)? It's literally the most obvious thing on this car. And they got charged 45 points. In any case, the BCCR is very clear. It couldn't be any more clear. I don't know what did or did not slip through any alleged cracks. If you have an inclusive list of items you are questioning such as engine/trans mounts, radiator, 60% rule, etc. please feel free to send it over and I will try and have those items looked at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiredBirds Posted September 22, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2020 20 hours ago, MoparBoyy said: except those are fender flares you add to the stock body. the other car has a complete aftermarket body. 17 hours ago, Snorman said: There is no way to get around it without violating that provision of the BCCR or them being given a pass. That is 100% NOT the "ORIGINAL body work and panels". It's not the "ORIGINAL body work and panels" underneath of it either. That is clearly an aftermarket Eckler (or similar) Turbo widebody kit. Same vents, same fender, door and quarter panel flare profiles. my question is where does one even find one of those? I mean it isn't like you can order one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snorman Posted September 22, 2020 Report Share Posted September 22, 2020 9 minutes ago, TiredBirds said: my question is where does one even find one of those? I mean it isn't like you can order one. Let's remember who we are talking about. That could have just been sitting around a shop or in a storage unit somewhere. In fact the car may have already been assembled and sitting and was a good candidate to turn into a race car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiredBirds Posted September 22, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2020 24 minutes ago, Snorman said: Let's remember who we are talking about. That could have just been sitting around a shop or in a storage unit somewhere. In fact the car may have already been assembled and sitting and was a good candidate to turn into a race car. yeah I know nothing about the team... cool concept, but if people are getting jammed 48 points for a hood, than an entire body should cost too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvumtnbkr Posted September 22, 2020 Report Share Posted September 22, 2020 1 hour ago, TiredBirds said: yeah I know nothing about the team... cool concept, but if people are getting jammed 48 points for a hood, than an entire body should cost too. If it was legal.... which according to 9.5.2 (iirc) it is NOT. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted September 22, 2020 Report Share Posted September 22, 2020 21 hours ago, skierman64 said: I wish I'd taken pics of it up on jackstands with the wheels off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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