Administrators Bill Strong Posted October 8, 2020 Administrators Report Share Posted October 8, 2020 Todays class is to explain to teams what's legal in 2020 for fueling your race cars at ChampCar events. I have gone to almost every race over the past 3 years. For the most part we have seen you guys following the rules and showing up with 5-gallon dump cans. But this year has been odd. With everyone focused on old C3 race cars, the membership seems to have forgotten the basic rules of our series. 10-pound ABC Dry Chemical fire extinguishers (or the Lifeline Zero 360 Novec 1230 Hand Held). a drip pan with a 3" lip that can hold a gallon or so of fuel. and 5-gallon fuel dump cans. Not 7-gallon, 8-gallon, or 10-gallon. But 5-gallons or less. You can fit what ever capacity you want in the 5-gallon, we don't care about that. But it must say 5-gallon capacity on the can. It's like this. I point it out to teams on pit lane. The response is always, oh, we are just transferring them to the 5-gallon cans over there. Cool. Until I am at the other side of pit lane and I see the fuel guy come over the wall with a big ass can of fuel. Guess what happens. You get to stop your fueling. You get to transfer your fuel into the smaller cans in your pitlane while your driver sits there cussing your name. Even if you are leading the race. You get to stop your fueling. Don't have a ten pound fire bottle? Saw a guy jump over the wall with two five pound extinguishers in his hand. Even had a team try using these tiny bottles that you get at the parts store to protect your Honda Civic. Tiny things they were. You don't have a ten pounder and guess what? You don't get to fuel. Lowes and Home Depot sell them. They are around $75 each. It's best to have two of them. One as a backup. We will be walking pit lane every race, and looking to make certain that you have the proper gear in place. If that fire bottle gauge is in the red, or the wrong size, we wont let you fuel the car. We put the rules in place to help protect you and your team. And to the drip pans. You guys had this down for about a year. But now I am seeing pizza pans again. Nope. Get a oil drain pan, cut the top off or buy one without a top, and use that. You can get fancy and weld up a steel or aluminum pan. But it needs to hold at least a gallon of fuel and have a minimum 3" lip on it. You will also need some kitty liter, a broom, and dustpan. Below are Hunsaker dump cans that are too big for our series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ross2004 Posted October 8, 2020 Report Share Posted October 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, Bill Strong said: But it must say 5-gallon capacity on the can. We're all in trouble then, because 5 gallon Hunsaker's don't say 5 gallons anywhere on them. 1, 2, 3, 4.....7? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbogrill Posted October 8, 2020 Report Share Posted October 8, 2020 16 minutes ago, ross2004 said: We're all in trouble then, because 5 gallon Hunsaker's don't say 5 gallons anywhere on them. 1, 2, 3, 4.....7? The highest number on them is '4'. Ours can fill 6 after that it gets dicey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enginerd Posted October 8, 2020 Report Share Posted October 8, 2020 59 minutes ago, ross2004 said: We're all in trouble then, because 5 gallon Hunsaker's don't say 5 gallons anywhere on them. 1, 2, 3, 4.....7? On the website they are advertised as 5 gallon jugs. That is sufficient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMiskoe Posted October 9, 2020 Report Share Posted October 9, 2020 4 hours ago, turbogrill said: The highest number on them is '4'. Ours can fill 6 after that it gets dicey "But these go to eleven." 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted October 9, 2020 Report Share Posted October 9, 2020 Don't know why anyone bothers with the little drip pans. We bought a shallow concrete mixing pan years ago for $10 and it absolutely outclasses a traditional drain pan. Shallow lip, easily trimable for fitting halfway under a low car, and a very large footprint so catching spills is easy. I'd bet once full it would hold 5+ gallons. We also lined the bottom with sorby pads to stop splash back. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbogrill Posted October 9, 2020 Report Share Posted October 9, 2020 1 hour ago, SonsOfIrony said: Don't know why anyone bothers with the little drip pans. We bought a shallow concrete mixing pan years ago for $10 and it absolutely outclasses a traditional drain pan. Shallow lip, easily trimable for fitting halfway under a low car, and a very large footprint so catching spills is easy. I'd bet once full it would hold 5+ gallons. We also lined the bottom with sorby pads to stop splash back. Same here, we never spill anything on the asphalt anymore. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig71188 Posted October 9, 2020 Report Share Posted October 9, 2020 And remember to order early to get dry breaks for all your individual fuel jugs!!! 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted October 9, 2020 Report Share Posted October 9, 2020 14 hours ago, turbogrill said: Same here, we never spill anything on the asphalt anymore. Same, we've been using the same jug of kitty litter for 4 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Bill Strong Posted October 9, 2020 Author Administrators Report Share Posted October 9, 2020 5 hours ago, craig71188 said: And remember to order early to get dry breaks for all your individual fuel jugs!!! I see green font. These are not "Required". They are just allowed for 2021. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Advisory Committee Andrew D Johnson Posted October 9, 2020 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted October 9, 2020 22 hours ago, Bill Strong said: With everyone focused on old C3 race cars, the membership seems to have forgotten the basic rules of our series. "Don't screw with us and we wont screw with you, just bring a $500 car." 4 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDChristianson Posted October 9, 2020 Report Share Posted October 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, red0 said: "Don't screw with us and we wont screw with you, just bring a $500 car." 500 here 500 there next thing ya know you have a real race car. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slugworks Paul Posted October 15, 2020 Report Share Posted October 15, 2020 Bill, you're getting yelled at because the new BCCR isn't out yet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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