Rodger Coan-Burningham Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 So I had forgotten this petition, when I saw that in the redline rules update I thought I would check on a few systems. Holy sheet, that stuff is expensive. Don't think I'll be doing a dry break anytime soon unless that unknown rich uncle dies and leaves me a few mil. Anybody else checked this stuff out yet? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the5 Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 When I Tested in our AER, Our Dump cans with 2 3/4 inch nozzles were faster as the Dry Break was a bigger restriction and It take some time to "line it up" For Champ the time doesnt matter as much but in AER when you try to put in 40 ish gallons in 3 Minutes it does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodger Coan-Burningham Posted October 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 22 minutes ago, the5 said: When I Tested in our AER, Our Dump cans with 2 3/4 inch nozzles were faster as the Dry Break was a bigger restriction and It take some time to "line it up" For Champ the time doesnt matter as much but in AER when you try to put in 40 ish gallons in 3 Minutes it does. What brand are you using? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig71188 Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 I still haven't figured this one out. 5 gallon dump can x3 (or 4) probes and no real speed advantage (that I have seen/heard yet). "If" we were doing a fuel hose from an overhead rig, or larger dump cans...then maybe. I still have a couple probes and receptacles (and an 11 gallon dump can) stashed away just in case... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodger Coan-Burningham Posted October 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 I assumed it was more of a fuel spillage prevention rather than a speed issue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the5 Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 43 minutes ago, Burningham said: What brand are you using? ATL, there is no advantage other than safety which is why It should have been allowed before. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakks Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 The original intent that Rich petitioned 2 years ago was that it would allow teams that already use dry-breaks in other series to not have to change their fuel systems to race in CC. Also they can be safer. Speed was not a factor in the petition. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAlexander Posted October 19, 2020 Report Share Posted October 19, 2020 22 hours ago, jakks said: The original intent that Rich petitioned 2 years ago was that it would allow teams that already use dry-breaks in other series to not have to change their fuel systems to race in CC. Also they can be safer. Speed was not a factor in the petition. Exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMiskoe Posted October 20, 2020 Report Share Posted October 20, 2020 On 10/18/2020 at 5:39 PM, jakks said: The original intent that Rich petitioned 2 years ago was that it would allow teams that already use dry-breaks in other series to not have to change their fuel systems to race in CC. Also they can be safer. Speed was not a factor in the petition. I assumed this too. We looked into them a decade ago and went and bought a couple of set of tires instead. They are also a monumental pain in the ass for re-filling the jugs, you have to disassemble the head to fill the jug. And then transfer to another jug if you have another car that isn't set up with them. We use the Hunsakers and at a race this past summer the fuel dumped into our car so fast that Jay just stood there and shook his head. All he said was "you guys have balls". I took it as a compliment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted October 20, 2020 Report Share Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) LOL @ no advantage. If you fill quicker you have more time to work on your car during the 5 min. Wanna change more tires? Now you have more time. Wanna change pads? Now you have more time. I don't care about the change, but lets be honest about what it allows. Edited October 20, 2020 by Snake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommytipover Posted October 20, 2020 Report Share Posted October 20, 2020 No, I think it was mentioned above. The Dry Breaks actually cause more restriction, and slow the re-fueling. A Hunsaker with the biggest nozzle you can cram into your filler neck is still the way to go. If someone is buying 3 or 4, 5? male probes to put on their Hunsakers, they are just showing off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted October 20, 2020 Report Share Posted October 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, tommytipover said: No, I think it was mentioned above. The Dry Breaks actually cause more restriction, and slow the re-fueling. A Hunsaker with the biggest nozzle you can cram into your filler neck is still the way to go. If someone is buying 3 or 4, 5? male probes to put on their Hunsakers, they are just showing off. If a dry brake is slowing you down fueling you're doing it wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the5 Posted October 20, 2020 Report Share Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Snake said: If a dry brake is slowing you down fueling you're doing it wrong. Our 2 3/4 open unrestricted fuel Nozzle fills faster than dry breaks, tested to be about 3 seconds faster at 1/20th the cost. Add that to the time it takes to "line it up" with the dry break, an open nozzle is faster but some fuel spillage may be involved. Here is video of our stop below, you could see how much slower the dry break would make It. Edited October 20, 2020 by the5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slugworks Paul Posted October 20, 2020 Report Share Posted October 20, 2020 11 minutes ago, the5 said: Our 2 3/4 open unrestricted fuel Nozzle fills faster than dry breaks, tested to be about 3 seconds faster at 1/20th the cost. Add that to the time it takes to "line it up" with the dry break, an open nozzle is faster but some fuel spillage may be involved. Here is video of our stop below, you could see how much slower the dry break would make It. WOW, that is fast. Under 7 seconds nozzle in to nozzle out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotrod Posted October 20, 2020 Report Share Posted October 20, 2020 Here's some cheap used ones just have to shorten the can to 5 gallons. https://circletrackwarehouse.com/?product=garage-cans-w-blue-schultz-heads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Bill Strong Posted October 20, 2020 Administrators Report Share Posted October 20, 2020 That video above is kinda slow. We have seen faster. Nine-Four Motorsports is one of the fastest we have seen. They have worked their venting to do the job. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the5 Posted October 20, 2020 Report Share Posted October 20, 2020 2 hours ago, Slugworks Paul said: WOW, that is fast. Under 7 seconds nozzle in to nozzle out. When you have 35+ Gallons to dump in 3 Mins from Pit in to Pit out it has to be. 16 minutes ago, Bill Strong said: That video above is kinda slow. We have seen faster. Nine-Four Motorsports is one of the fastest we have seen. They have worked their venting to do the job. Id like to see video that they can be faster. For Gravity feed I dont think you cam get much faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakks Posted October 20, 2020 Report Share Posted October 20, 2020 Wow. Can we stop with the “nozzle swinging contest”? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuaTTro Posted October 20, 2020 Report Share Posted October 20, 2020 21 minutes ago, jakks said: Wow. Can we stop with the “nozzle swinging contest”? hey...I was just about to get mine out 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbogrill Posted October 20, 2020 Report Share Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) In terms of venting, did a little experiment with a hunsaker. This is the 5gallon hunsaker dumped on the ground with water: 15mm outlet, 6mm vent: 32s 15mm outlet, 35mm vent: 30s 32mm outlet, 6mm vent: 12s 32mm outlet, 35mm vent: 7s edit: dumping 4 gallons Edited October 20, 2020 by turbogrill 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvumtnbkr Posted October 21, 2020 Report Share Posted October 21, 2020 Yep, hunsakers are the poop. Pay attention to your tank vent and how it may be covered with the fuel can.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racething Posted October 29, 2020 Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 the idea behind dry break fuel probes is safety. when done the right way you have no fuel spillage. teams waste so much time during pit stops by not being ready and up on the wall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig71188 Posted October 29, 2020 Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 Dry breaks are great "if" you are inserting & removing them once and filling from an overhead rig. This is what they were meant for. Putting them on 5 gallon jugs and having to line up/insert/remove/repeat doesn't gain you any time. Yes, I can see allowing them for "crossover" teams. Too bad we can't do something similar on fuel capacity. (Oops...here we go again....) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racething Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 15 hours ago, craig71188 said: Dry breaks are great "if" you are inserting & removing them once and filling from an overhead rig. This is what they were meant for. Putting them on 5 gallon jugs and having to line up/insert/remove/repeat doesn't gain you any time. Yes, I can see allowing them for "crossover" teams. Too bad we can't do something similar on fuel capacity. (Oops...here we go again....) you've got 75 min between stops. it takes less the 2min to take off and put back on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig71188 Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 9 hours ago, racething said: you've got 75 min between stops. it takes less the 2min to take off and put back on. Was referring to line up/insert/remove from car - not on the jugs, that's not a big deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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