Bill Strong 7,393 Posted November 18, 2020 Report Share Posted November 18, 2020 https://champcar.org/web/championship.php April 17-April 18, 2021 ROAD AMERICA: 8+7-Hour Enduro, $1475 Elkhart Lake, WI "Road America - National Championship" Early Pay Discount Ends: February 16, 2021 Event Director: chelsey.vickery@champcar.orgEntrant ListDownload Supplemental Rules and Event InfoDownload Event Waiver Speed Waiver - https://roadamerica.speedwaiver.com/qyuln Test & Tune Information: Registration ends on April 12, 2021 at 3:00 AM EDT. Test Day for Champ Car Participants. Entrants must be entered into the Champ Car event. Advance Pricing of $350 valid through 03/31/2021. Starting 04/01/2021 pricing will be $375.http://msreg.com/04162021 Cabins: Cabins are available to rent for 3 nights and are $750 plus a $400 refundable damage deposit or for 2 nights and are $550, plus a $400 refundable damage deposit.https://www.roadamerica.com/post/cabins National Championship Paperwork 2020 BCCRhttps://champcar.org/web/pdf/old/2020ChampCarBCCR.pdf 2020 Tech Formhttps://champcar.org/web/pdf/old/2020TechForm.pdf 2020 Swap Formhttps://champcar.org/web/pdf/old/2020SwapForm.pdf 2020 Q4 VPI Table Latehttps://champcar.org/web/pdf/old/VPITable2020Q4-Late.pdf 2020 Q4 VPI Table Early https://champcar.org/web/pdf/old/VPITable2020Q4-Early.pdf Entries for Road America - National Championship Limited to 75 entries Updated 4/14/2021 Team Name Car # Year Make Model 1. 3rd Gear Pulls 771 1990 Honda Civic 2. 901 Motorsport - Champ Contender 901 1990 BMW 325is 3. Anderson Lumber 920 2012 Ford Mustang 4. Asteri Motorsports 147 1991 Toyota MR2 5. Bavarian Mustache Werks - Champ Contender 662 1993 BMW 325is 6. Black Perl Racing 142 1993 Mazda Miata 7. Blue Bayou 504 1999 Chevrolet Camaro 8. Blue Shells 916 2005 Ford Focus 9. British American Racing 51 1988 BMW Hawk E30 325is 10. Brotherhood Racing 444 2001 Acura Integra 11. Burningham Racing - Champ Contender 855 1992 Lexus SC300 12. CFR Racing 70 1989 Honda CRX 13. CG2 Racing 287 1988 BMW E30 14. Cone Crushers - Champ Contender 49 1987 Porsche 944S 15. Couturier Bros Racing 593 1990 Mazda Miata 16. Crank Yankers Racing - Champ Contender 186 1989 BMW 325i 17. DirtE-30 Racing - Champ Contender 212 1988 BMW 325is 18. Finndurance Motorsports 35 2004 Infiniti G35 19. Fuse 15 524 Miat 1996 Mazda 20. Gorilla Sticker 516 1995 BMW 318ti 21. GorillaSticker/ABR 515 1997 BMW 328is 22. Gulp S2K 38 2005 Honda S2000 23. Hamm's Beer Racing 286 1994 Mazda Miata 24. HASTINGS TIRES PLUS 550 1991 BMW 325IS 25. IFW Motorsports 825 1999 Pontiac Firebird 26. JTK Motorsports 335 1997 Nissan Maxima 27. Ketron Racing 531 1994 Honda Prelude 28. Landshark 544 1999 Honda Civic 29. Leviathan Motorsports - Champ Contender 255 1991 Toyota mr2 30. Limpy Screwdriver Racing 224 1987 Chevrolet Camaro 31. Limpy Screwdriver Racing 223 1992 Pontiac Firebird 32. MDR Motorsports 830 1993 Mazda Miata 33. Micro\'s Workshop Racing 213 1997 Volkswagen GTI 34. MiElan - Champ Contender 150 1990 Mazda Miata 35. MiElan Plus 2 5 1990 Mazda Miata 36. MKD Motorsports - Champ Contender 600 1993 Ford Mustang Cobra 37. Noble Gas Racing 119 1998 Dodge Neon 38. Parts Badger - Champ Contender 630 1991 Mazda Miata 39. Premium Dudes - Champ Contender 32 1988 BMW 325is 40. rbankracing.com - Champ Contender 194 1988 Honda CRX 41. Red Baron Racing 332 2001 BMW 330CI 42. Resilience Racing 927 1995 Ford Mustang Cobra 43. S2K Racing 22 2008 Honda S2000 44. Sh*tshow Racing 169 1992 BMW 325i 45. Skid Mark Motorsports 748 1996 Pontiac Firebird 46. Spin Twins 300 2007 Mazda MX-5 47. Stinky Rat Trap Racing 135 1991 Audi 200TQ 48. TBD Racing 138 1995 Mazda Miata 49. TraqCarRental 107 Ford Focus 50. Tuna No Crust 91 1991 Acura Integra 51. TurnIn Motorsports group 999 1995 BMW 540i 52. tuttle motor sports - Champ Contender 108 1995 Mitsubishi Eclipse 53. tuttle motor sports - Champ Contender 107 1995 mitsubishi eclipse 54. Two Brothers Racing - Champ Contender 427 1986 Mercedes 190E 55. Two Idiot's and a Garage, Sheboygan Auto Helpers 514 1984 Volkswagon Rabbit GTI 56. Udder Chaos 55 1996 Chrysler Neon 57. Visceral Racing Group 959 1988 Porsche 944RSR 58. Visceral Racing Group - Champ Contender 918 1987 Porsche 944RS Quote Link to post Share on other sites
enginerd 6,733 Posted November 18, 2020 Report Share Posted November 18, 2020 7 hours ago, Bill Strong said: April 17-April 18, 2021 ROAD AMERICA: 8+7 Enduro, $1475 Elkhart Lake, WI "Road America - National Championship" Early Pay Discount Ends: February 16, 2021 Event Director: chelsey.vickery@champcar.orgEntrant ListDownload Supplemental Rules and Event Info Entries for Road America - National Championship Limited to 75 entries Update November 18,2020 Team Name Car # Year Make Model 1. JSK Racing 176 1999 nissan maxima 2. Premium Dudes 32 1988 BMW 325is You need not update this entry list anymore, you’re already looking at the top two teams. 2 3 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDChristianson 4,614 Posted November 18, 2020 Report Share Posted November 18, 2020 33 minutes ago, enginerd said: You need not update this entry list anymore, you’re already looking at the top two teams. Dont break your arm Nate. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Administrators E. Tyler Pedersen 3,999 Posted November 19, 2020 Administrators Report Share Posted November 19, 2020 2 hours ago, enginerd said: You need not update this entry list anymore, you’re already looking at the top two teams. I wonder if your BMW will show up to this one or if it'll blow the engine before it leaves the garage. Didnt you say that you were going to be on the podium in the fall? 2 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hotchkis23 1,468 Posted November 19, 2020 Report Share Posted November 19, 2020 3 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Snorman 2,978 Posted November 19, 2020 Report Share Posted November 19, 2020 38 minutes ago, hotchkis23 said: We had an average lap time of 2:51.4 on Day 1 and placed P1. Of course, GBU did break on Day 1. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
enginerd 6,733 Posted November 19, 2020 Report Share Posted November 19, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, E. Tyler Pedersen said: I wonder if your BMW will show up to this one or if it'll blow the engine before it leaves the garage. Didnt you say that you were going to be on the podium in the fall? Edited November 19, 2020 by enginerd 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Technical Advisory Committee Andrew D Johnson 7,452 Posted November 20, 2020 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted November 20, 2020 23 hours ago, E. Tyler Pedersen said: Didnt you say that you were going to be on the podium in the fall? He was on the podium........just not with his car. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Administrators E. Tyler Pedersen 3,999 Posted November 20, 2020 Administrators Report Share Posted November 20, 2020 2 hours ago, red0 said: He was on the podium........just not with his car. Sorry I should had said he said he would see me in Sunday at impound.....I wasn't even there either so I have no where to talk Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Technical Advisory Committee Rodger Coan-Burningham 2,304 Posted January 14 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted January 14 I signed us up for this race today! Looking forward to driving at this course again, but the rest of the driver lineup has not been there before so we decided this would be our bucketlist track for the year. Seems like the time was right since the championship is there. 9 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bill Strong 7,393 Posted January 17 Author Report Share Posted January 17 https://champcar.org/web/championship.php 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Technical Advisory Committee Ray Franck 2,558 Posted January 17 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted January 17 31 minutes ago, Bill Strong said: https://champcar.org/web/championship.php WOW 7 way tie for 1st And lookie here 6 different auto manufactures represented out of the top seven qualifiers. Must be the rules... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
55mini 798 Posted January 17 Report Share Posted January 17 Thanks for posting this Bill. I do have a question as to the minimum number of races rule, did that change and if so what was decided? Thought maybe that should be told to the member's. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Technical Advisory Committee Ray Franck 2,558 Posted January 17 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted January 17 1 hour ago, 55mini said: Thanks for posting this Bill. I do have a question as to the minimum number of races rule, did that change and if so what was decided? Thought maybe that should be told to the member's. I am pretty sure something was adjusted due to covid. I remember it being brought up before. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_e 4,852 Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 7 hours ago, Ray Franck said: WOW 7 way tie for 1st And lookie here 6 different auto manufactures represented out of the top seven qualifiers. Must be the rules... Out of the seven, which ones are justifiably getting points added to their VPI for 2021? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Technical Advisory Committee Rodger Coan-Burningham 2,304 Posted January 18 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted January 18 Watch out Ray, they have arrived. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mender 8,293 Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 1 hour ago, Burningham said: Watch out Ray, they have arrived. And looking closely. An even split of Miatas and 325s make up half of the top twenty teams. Imagine that; a trend? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LuckyKid 978 Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 8 hours ago, mender said: And looking closely. An even split of Miatas and 325s make up half of the top twenty teams. Imagine that; a trend? Miatae and BMW are underrepresented in the top 10 based on a percentage of participation, none the less, statistically the team and prep variance is so great that it would likely be a flawed analysis to assume that miata and some other platform teams are from the same population as the rest of Champcar. I think the methodology that should be used is a combination of the theoretical performance and case-study like performance of what good teams with good drivers are able to do with the platform. See Broke in 60 seconds -> MK Motorsports Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Snorman 2,978 Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 Can somebody explain at least somewhat officially how this works for the National Championship? Specifically, I'm trying to understand what this means: Quote 1.5.3. Bring the same car you raced to qualify for the Championship So the car can't be touched from the 2020 ruleset and has to sit exactly as it did in 2020? Or, if the car is compliant with 2021 and built to the revised ruleset, is it considered the "same car"? If something was points in 2020, and is not points in 2021, and it's added to the car for 2021, does it now have to be removed just for this one race? To me, and just IMO, the "same car" means the same car that was raced and is now compliant with the 2021 ruleset. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ronh911 867 Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 (edited) 2 hours ago, Snorman said: Can somebody explain at least somewhat officially how this works for the National Championship? Specifically, I'm trying to understand what this means: So the car can't be touched from the 2020 ruleset and has to sit exactly as it did in 2020? Or, if the car is compliant with 2021 and built to the revised ruleset, is it considered the "same car"? If something was points in 2020, and is not points in 2021, and it's added to the car for 2021, does it now have to be removed just for this one race? To me, and just IMO, the "same car" means the same car that was raced and is now compliant with the 2021 ruleset. For the Charlotte Championship we brought a new car that was basically the same from what we qualified with the prior year (we did add an air dam) and Mike had to have a talk with us about it because 1 or more teams were questioning our eligibility. Mike eventually said we were OK after a couple of hours of deliberations. I know this doesn’t answer your question, just giving you an example of what happened with us. It’s a huge gray area that needs clarification IMO. Edited January 19 by Ronh911 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wvumtnbkr 7,475 Posted January 20 Report Share Posted January 20 It's my understanding that the championship is run under the previous years rules minus any safety related changes. If something was a lower value the year before, you claim that lower value. If it was higher, you claim the higher value. Yes, some builds require backdating a bit to get to the previous years rules. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Snorman 2,978 Posted January 21 Report Share Posted January 21 On 1/19/2021 at 7:30 PM, wvumtnbkr said: It's my understanding that the championship is run under the previous years rules minus any safety related changes. If something was a lower value the year before, you claim that lower value. If it was higher, you claim the higher value. Yes, some builds require backdating a bit to get to the previous years rules. That's sort of what I understand, but not certain. And not clear how they are going to tech cars. Are National Championship contenders going to re-tech at RA according to 2020 rules if they have a 2021 Tech sticker? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ronh911 867 Posted January 21 Report Share Posted January 21 4 minutes ago, Snorman said: That's sort of what I understand, but not certain. And not clear how they are going to tech cars. Are National Championship contenders going to re-tech at RA according to 2020 rules if they have a 2021 Tech sticker? We have never had to do that in the past. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Racer28173 1,692 Posted January 22 Report Share Posted January 22 (edited) I read it the same way @Snorman indicated in his last paragraph. To me it is saying it needs to be the same physical chassis you ran the year before. But it would be to the 2021 rules because it is now 2021 and if you did another of the April races your car would be to 2021 rules already and it would be crazy to ask you to change it back. I assumed the intention was to prevent a new build replacing a car that qualified, and that is why Ron got questioned. Edited January 22 by Racer28173 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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