Tubby Posted November 18, 2020 Report Share Posted November 18, 2020 Looking for resolution. We had a tech question from Road America and are signed up for Barber race. Two weeks with no response so we are running out of time. Put in a new one today incase there was a problem with the previous one. Looked up the old one and it's still in there but not actioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Bill Strong Posted November 18, 2020 Administrators Report Share Posted November 18, 2020 You should be hearing something soon. we now have new info from the SFI about the ESS units Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubby Posted November 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Bill Strong said: You should be hearing something soon. we now have new info from the SFI about the ESS units Soon but not soon enough for Barber does us no good. Thanks for Responding, Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Bill Strong Posted November 18, 2020 Administrators Report Share Posted November 18, 2020 I'll help you a bit here. The main SFI mage for all of the SFI specs and SFI approved manufacturers. their SFI approval change over time. They update them as companies he fail to maintain their SFI membership/approval...whatever they do to get the approval to use the decals.https://sfifoundation.com/autoracing/ Scroll down to On Board Fire Suppression SystemsSFI Spec 17.1 | Manufacturers | Products List Effective Date: Jun. 26, 2020 ESS is now listed on the approved SFI list via the SFI website as of right now.https://www.sfifoundation.com/wp-content/pdfs/manufacturers/17.1 Manufacturers List.pdf The ESS system listed on this page is SFI approved.https://www.sfifoundation.com/wp-content/pdfs/Current17.1Products.pdf Now is your system one of these? 5 lbs. & 10 lbs. P/N 23L3S 2.3LTR 2 Nozzle AFFF System P/N 50L4S 5.0/4.8 LTR 4 Nozzle AFFF System Does your system meet the size requirement for the current BCCR? I'll let you figure that one out. You will need to remove it so that our tech guys can weight it. But they will have to give you that info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Bill Strong Posted November 18, 2020 Administrators Report Share Posted November 18, 2020 Since I am working on the 2021 BCCR and the fire system rule did not change, here is that... But... confirm that it is the same for 2020 on your own. 3.9. ON BOARD FIRE EXTINGUISHER 3.9.1. ALL CHAMPCAR COMPETITION VEHICLES MUST HAVE A SELF-CONTAINED PUSH- BUTTON OR PULL-HANDLE FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEM INSTALLED. 3.9.1.1. Fire suppression systems must have SFI or FIA certification.3.9.1.2. Minimum 5 LB or 2 Liter bottle capacity – either AFFF/FE-36/NOVEC 1230 –Rechargeable systems are highly advised. 3.9.1.3. Minimum two (2) extinguisher nozzles, one (1) pointed centrally towards the top and center of the engine, and one (1) located in the driver’s seating area. THIS IS THE MINIMUM. Be advised that multiple nozzles reduce line pressure and more quickly exhaust the fire suppression system. Competitors are advised to match the system capacity to the desired number of nozzles and area of coverage.3.9.1.4. On Board Fire Suppression Systems shall be inspected for recertification at least every two years after the date of original certification or as specified by the certifying manufacturer. When a unit is determined to be acceptable for continued service, a new conformance label marked with the inspection date shall be used. In-field recertification is permitted, but ONLY by the original manufacturer or its authorized agent. Mailing of certification labels to customers is strictly prohibited. Systems shall have a maximum field service life of 6 years (SFI) or 10 years (FIA) from the original date of installation. 3.9.2. All on-board fire systems shall identify the activation point for the automatic system by a circle “E” decal. Decals available at ChampCar Tech Inspection. 3.9.3. Cars arriving at Pit-In or Pit-Out with the fire system arming pin not removed will be issued a 5 minute penalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Bill Strong Posted November 18, 2020 Administrators Report Share Posted November 18, 2020 I do suggest that you get a good system with plenty of nozzles. Fire sucks. The driver was still in this fire which took place at Thompson a few years ago, which made us really clamp down on a lot of the equipment and the systems that were being used. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Bill Strong Posted November 18, 2020 Administrators Report Share Posted November 18, 2020 The driver talks about his experience I post all that. because I don't want drivers and teams getting complacent with their car prep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Bill Strong Posted November 18, 2020 Administrators Report Share Posted November 18, 2020 Ticket #680 was answered today. I have closed the original. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubby Posted November 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2020 Question answered! Thanks ChampCar! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubby Posted November 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2020 Bill, Thanks for the info. The Tech note said that we had to have a current receipt for the ESS bottle and it would be weighed and that would count for valid SFI. It was weighed and met the target. The difference was the tech person said we had to send it back to ESS for recert and the Tech bulletin said that we didn't as long as we had a current receipt and made weight. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Advisory Committee mcoppola Posted November 18, 2020 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted November 18, 2020 24 minutes ago, Tubby said: Question answered! Thanks ChampCar! Good to see you running some ChampCar races this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Beisler Posted November 19, 2020 Report Share Posted November 19, 2020 I have a question that I am waiting on an answer for also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petawawarace Posted November 19, 2020 Report Share Posted November 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Lethal Cliff said: I have a question that I am waiting on an answer for also. Ditto. From September. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Bill Strong Posted November 19, 2020 Administrators Report Share Posted November 19, 2020 We have a team of people working on the answers. Sometimes the answers don't come as fast as we want. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Beisler Posted November 19, 2020 Report Share Posted November 19, 2020 Got three of my best guys on it............ 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Advisory Committee Andrew D Johnson Posted November 19, 2020 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted November 19, 2020 20 hours ago, Lethal Cliff said: I have a question that I am waiting on an answer for also. 18 hours ago, petawawarace said: Ditto. From September. Please post the ticket numbers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petawawarace Posted November 19, 2020 Report Share Posted November 19, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, red0 said: Please post the ticket numbers M75-382-NUGV Edited November 19, 2020 by petawawarace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Beisler Posted November 19, 2020 Report Share Posted November 19, 2020 Y5X-XP2-HR9E Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Advisory Committee Andrew D Johnson Posted November 20, 2020 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted November 20, 2020 2 hours ago, petawawarace said: M75-382-NUGV Please respond back on the ticket with more information on what type of cooler you are looking to add etc. The more information the better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Advisory Committee Andrew D Johnson Posted November 20, 2020 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted November 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Lethal Cliff said: Y5X-XP2-HR9E Please be patient for a few more days, the TAC and tech are actively discussing this ticket and it has been heavily discussed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petawawarace Posted November 20, 2020 Report Share Posted November 20, 2020 41 minutes ago, red0 said: Please respond back on the ticket with more information on what type of cooler you are looking to add etc. The more information the better. There’s been nothing asked on the ticket. How am I supposed to know there’s more info needed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Beisler Posted November 20, 2020 Report Share Posted November 20, 2020 1 hour ago, red0 said: Please be patient for a few more days, the TAC and tech are actively discussing this ticket and it has been heavily discussed. Thanks. Send me a message is anyone has any questions please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Advisory Committee Andrew D Johnson Posted November 20, 2020 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted November 20, 2020 11 hours ago, petawawarace said: There’s been nothing asked on the ticket. How am I supposed to know there’s more info needed? I saw your post and am trying to help get someone to reply to your ticket. I don't have anything to do with how the tech desk is setup or works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petawawarace Posted November 20, 2020 Report Share Posted November 20, 2020 1 hour ago, red0 said: I saw your post and am trying to help get someone to reply to your ticket. I don't have anything to do with how the tech desk is setup or works. Ah I see. Well thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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