ETR Posted January 27, 2021 Report Share Posted January 27, 2021 Been through many gear checks but there's mumblings of change or new expirations so just need clarification. I also overcomplicate simple things. 3.10.2. Neck Restraint Systems / Helmet Support: An SFI or FIA approved racing neck restraint system is mandatory for all drivers. Foam collars are NOT legal. My HANS - SFI tag punched AUG 2015 manufacture date on molded structure. FIA tag showing 2016 on strap. In excellent condition with no issues. Wife's HANS - No SFI tag on molded structure. FIA tag showing 2019 on strap. In excellent condition with no issues. With FIA on the straps, and the restraints deemed in good condition and fit for service, both do not expire? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EngEtan Posted January 27, 2021 Report Share Posted January 27, 2021 (edited) The HANS device doesn't expire, but the tether does (every 5 years I believe). Not terribly expensive, and pretty easy to r&r. Only time you may need to replace the device is after a hard crash that was potentially life threatening, if it's poorly maintained (ie. left in the sun as this deteriorates the resin), or shows any signs of de-lamination. Edit: FYI, the HANS website has all the information you need. Edited January 27, 2021 by EngEtan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Advisory Committee Chris Huggins Posted January 27, 2021 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted January 27, 2021 The BCCR on HANS hasn't changed. I'm not sure where the mumblings came from or what the deal is. If your HANS has some sort of SFI or FIA certification on it, I would expect it to be allowed in champcar. Any suggestion otherwise is in direct violation of our BCCR. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gkuhn41 Posted January 28, 2021 Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 I was told last year in gear tech my hans was expired. Its a 2018.....soooooooo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoKramer Posted January 29, 2021 Report Share Posted January 29, 2021 The Schroth version are good for 5 years, and iirc any FIA belt is 5 years. Generally its when you get to SFI that it drops to 2 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ETR Posted January 29, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2021 TL;DR It all seems to come down to the SFI sticker, and those are good for 5 years. Tethers are good for 5 years. Per Simpson (HANS) website- SFI 38.1 head and neck restraints must be recertified every 5 years to maintain SFI certification. All devices that pass inspection will receive a new SFI 38.1 conformance sticker marked with the inspection date. The recertification will remain valid for 5 years. No mention of FIA, but the recertification form does say *Tethers must be replaced every 5 years* So I called them up just to be sure- Turns out my wife's HANS III does have an SFI sticker... it's under the shoulder pad. Her 2019 SFI only is good, my 2015 with SFI and FIA needs to go in for recertification. Simpson also said that while FIA does not expire, that's talking about those with the FIA holographic sticker only. But it's also got an SFI sticker over 5 years old you say? Welp send it in, the SFI is expired. Geez. They recommend to send FIA-sticker-only devices for inspection on a similar schedule though. ALSO, why do all tethers have FIA on them them? ….Cause they don't bother making non-FIA tethers so don't look too much into it. Change every 5 years regardless. The BCCR could use more clarification, and Simpson acknowledged it's a bit confusing. Seems there's confusion at the tech table. I'm still a little confused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckowalc Posted January 29, 2021 Report Share Posted January 29, 2021 I believe part of the confusion stems from a Road Atlanta race a couple of years ago in which I believe people were told if their HANS was over 2 years old that they would need to be recertified because that is what "HANS recommended". Conveniently (some would say too conveniently) Discovery Parts was on site to recertify everyone's HANS for $25 a pop. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Administrators Bill Strong Posted February 8, 2021 Administrators Report Share Posted February 8, 2021 https://www.hansdevice.com/blog/pages/recertify SFI 38.1 head and neck restraints must be recertified every 5 years to maintain SFI certification. All devices that pass inspection will receive a new SFI 38.1 conformance sticker marked with the inspection date. The recertification will remain valid for 5 years. Questions? Call (800) 654-7223 to speak with a customer service specialist. ARE YOU DUE? If your device was certified in May 2014 or earlier, it’s due for recertification by June 1, 2019. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Bill Strong Posted February 8, 2021 Administrators Report Share Posted February 8, 2021 We will be working on clarification of the Head and Neck recert wording over the next week or so. Submit to the BOD and release it along with a couple of more wording corrections in the V4. After the first race we look at how you guys interpreted any changes and if there was confusion we will look at simplifying or changing the language to better describe what we were looking for. There is not much, just a couple of things along with some procedures on operations side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chappy Posted February 8, 2021 Report Share Posted February 8, 2021 I was in the tech line at Atlanta and a lot of people had similar questions. Me specially, I have an FIA only cert HANS, no SFI sticker. Date of manufacture of 3/16. I was told I would need to recertify it in the next month. If I read the above correctly, I don’t need a recert, but just a new set of tethers installed as they will be over 5 years old. Is that correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ETR Posted February 9, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2021 25 minutes ago, Chappy said: I was in the tech line at Atlanta and a lot of people had similar questions. Me specially, I have an FIA only cert HANS, no SFI sticker. Date of manufacture of 3/16. I was told I would need to recertify it in the next month. If I read the above correctly, I don’t need a recert, but just a new set of tethers installed as they will be over 5 years old. Is that correct? Check under the padding for a SFI sticker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsmith2424 Posted February 9, 2021 Report Share Posted February 9, 2021 (edited) This is about the best I've seen on the SFI/FIA debate (found this on the Simpson Race Products, which owns HANS now, site). The guide from HANS/Simpson states that the SFI expires every 5 years however the FIA part doesn't expire unless they remove the standard. It does state regardless of SFI or FIA certification the tethers do need to be replaced every 5 years. https://bucketeer-6a1c3869-11ee-400c-8e6c-029add2ed33c.s3.us-east-1.amazonaws.com//app/public/spree/theme_assets/24078/original/HANS-Device-2019-Quick-Start-Guide.pdf?1597761030 Edited February 9, 2021 by gsmith2424 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collinskl1 Posted February 9, 2021 Report Share Posted February 9, 2021 14 hours ago, Chappy said: I was in the tech line at Atlanta and a lot of people had similar questions. Me specially, I have an FIA only cert HANS, no SFI sticker. Date of manufacture of 3/16. I was told I would need to recertify it in the next month. If I read the above correctly, I don’t need a recert, but just a new set of tethers installed as they will be over 5 years old. Is that correct? This is my understanding as well. Mine also only has FIA cert with no SFI, and I've been told by multiple people that the new dated tether I bought is sufficient. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MR2 Biohazard Posted February 12, 2021 Members Report Share Posted February 12, 2021 I just got this email. Interesting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuaTTro Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 @turbogrill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbogrill Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 So if it has SFI it expires but if it has FIA it doesn't? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuaTTro Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 1 hour ago, turbogrill said: So if it has SFI it expires but if it has FIA it doesn't? sadly it's hard to tell from this thread or others. Maybe somone on the TAC or BOD can chime in with clarity? @Jer @Chris Huggins @Bill Strong If you look at the last race recap from Harris Hill spring race you'll see the first person's recap included a mention that his was expired. it also happened to a few people on my team. I seem to recall they were expiring on 5 years for FIA in my teams case. I'm not trying to be vague, you'd think I would know since it happened to my team. In my case I was like the first or second person to get gear tech'd and they passed me. Since I was sharing my HANS with a teammate he borroed my HANS to get gear tech and they failed him with my HANS (even though they passed me) and said it was over 5 years past the date. Maybe he got a different tech person or that person just didn't know to look for it when I was the first guy coming through the line. I didn't worry about it for that race since I already had my helmet sticker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Advisory Committee Chris Huggins Posted September 3, 2021 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 FIA recommendation: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbogrill Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 Thanks! Was looking in 2021, that clarifies it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuaTTro Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 4 minutes ago, turbogrill said: Thanks! Was looking in 2021, that clarifies it! I was looking in 2021 too! Need to be looking towards the future! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Jass Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 If mine is punched JAN 17, it needs recertification in JAN 22? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jer Posted September 4, 2021 Report Share Posted September 4, 2021 We will be self-policing starting 2022. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABR-Glen Posted September 5, 2021 Report Share Posted September 5, 2021 21 hours ago, Jer said: We will be self-policing starting 2022. What does that mean, we can decide if they are legal ourselves? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhr650 Posted September 5, 2021 Report Share Posted September 5, 2021 No gear check in 2022 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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