mgoblue06 Posted May 11, 2021 Report Share Posted May 11, 2021 Where to start. So back in August a close friend an I wanted to get into wheel to wheel racing because neither of us had done it, but wanted to try after seeing a random Facebook post about the other Citrus league. After a few beers we settled on an s-10 because why not race a truck. Can make it light, 4.3 v6, decent tranny, and a big fuel tank. I don’t know how we ever came to the next part other than a brain bubble, but we found a rear subframe out of a RX-7 FD locally for 250 bucks, with three sets of gears. LSD and IRS. At first we were just going to race Lemons, but decided we wanted to spend more than 500 bucks and get this thing somewhat dialed in. Here is what we had figured for points. 1999 s10 Truck 200 Rear end swap 50 Upper A Arms 20 Lower A Arms 20 Heim joints 10 Aero 20 splitter, wing Accusump 10 Oil Coolers 40 Ball Joints 20 Camber Appartus - front axle Materials - rear end 37 Materials - Bed cover 15 Sway Bar 20 Coil Overs 20 Rear Rear Strut Brace 10 rear ride height adjusting Total 492 As you can see we had in there 37 points for materials to graft the rear end to the existing frame of the s-10, as well as 50 points to complete the swap. The 50 points came from a link to a tech desk article that Huggy had posted back in the first question I had every asked on this forum, was ruled as 50 points in the article for the swap. Build is about done, was down to just the frame at one point. Cage was going on, then finishing wiring, belts, fire suppresion. Needed brake fluid so I reached out locally to the guys at Money Shift to support them. Showed them pictures of the build, and they suggested I reach out to tech to make things are ok with what we did. What we did is below In pictures Tech came back and said that no 50 point rule exists anymore and we will now be charged 140 points for the rear subframe swap as 10 points per suspension piece. Tech article deleted off the website stating that. And that our chassis was tube frame and therefore not allowed in the series. After speaking with Ray (great person) a couple times yesterday, he spoke to Dana, and said we could modify where the gas tank was, reintroduce a crush zone of the factory channel frame rails between bash bar and square above the subframe, and we might be allowed to run in EC, but probably not in actual classes (let alone the plus 90 hit extra in unplanned VPI) because we went "too far" with our build. We were already registered for mid Ohio in September. Why am I saying this and bringing it to attention? As a new team that put 100s of hours getting to this point, let alone the money, it’s disappointing for this to happen. The rule book and tech desk tickets were followed for the build. The truck was never meant to be a tube frame chassis, let alone the rule book say EXACTLY what is defined as a tube frame chassis. Everyone has different opinions on what a tube frame chassis is, and that’s a problem. Here is the only spot in the entire BCCR pdf that has the phrase “tube-frame chassis” 3.2.16. In order to prevent massively expensive rollcages that start to look and act like a tube-frame chassis, ChampCar has defined the “maximum, value-free” roll-cage. The “maximum, value-free” roll-cage includes all pads, points, tubes and triangulations necessary to maintain an extremely high degree of safety, while keeping costs in-check and competition well-balanced. Teams MAY exceed the design and application of the “maximum, value-free” roll-cage; however, additional value will be assessed by the Tech Inspector, based on the perceived performance enhancement of the rollcage How were we supposed to know a tech ticket was deleted and that subframe swap not allowed for 50 points? I will take partial blame for this for not reaching out to tech to consult. Buy why should I have had to if I followed what was in the rule book, as well as using tech articles to build? There needs to be a better system for deleted tech articles. Taking out GBUs performance in the fall on a 50 point rear end swap, and not the 150 point initial VPI, was also wrong IMO But what are we but just rookies. I’m sure I will get hate and people laughing at us to follow this, but just wanted to say my piece of what happened and air out some things that could be changed in the future to help other new teams. Maybe we will give it a go in a year to two again with a new build. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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