JCrist Posted May 31, 2021 Report Share Posted May 31, 2021 Our first weekend back in a while found us at Watkins Glen this weekend, we enjoyed ourselves and we found that many guys spent the COVID quarantine time wisely! Every race has a multitude of car and driver capabilities. Our car used to be a top 5 car, now a top 10, and has always required us to keep the wheels rolling well throughout the lap as it’s a 2830# machine with 165hp. There are cars out there that easily drive past us on the straights and we try to compete in the braking zones. Many of you have faced the same. IF YOU ARE A FASTER STRAIGHTLINE CAR AND MOVE OVER JUST BEFORE A BRAKE ZONE YOU ARE PUTTING US ALL AT RISK. You may brake at the 300 and the other car may brake at the 250’ or 290’. Or 150’. I was able to spare one of the Tuttle cars this weekend in T1 because I anticipated such a move but a couple of you got the bumper. If you think you have the right to pull the chute 5’ in front of a car just because you out accelerated them or any other reason- you’re wrong. Stay in your more inside lane/track position and compete the turn on be on your way. Many folks will lay down for you to peacock and swerve in front of them, not everyone will. It’s not good sportsmanship nor safe or competitive practice. Thank you for attending my Ted talk. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enginerd Posted May 31, 2021 Report Share Posted May 31, 2021 Got video coming? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCrist Posted May 31, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2021 8 hours ago, enginerd said: Got video coming? Heartbroken last night at midnight when we found our camera running and on loop . My trophy was erased. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErstazS2 Posted May 31, 2021 Report Share Posted May 31, 2021 2 hours ago, JCrist said: Heartbroken last night at midnight when we found our camera running and on loop . My trophy was erased. Car number? Maybe others have video Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Litman Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 100% agree with you JCrist. Experienced this with the baby blue E46 (yes, the BMW that apparently mistook ChampCar for IMSA and believes it necessary to flash its lights to cars 1/4 mile ahead of them). Inside pass heading into eight with a last second juke in front of me while breaking. Had no choice but to lock up. I briefly debated rolling off the brakes and poking them, but I did the gentlemanly thing and flat spotted two brand new tires. Not pleased. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Advisory Committee Chris Huggins Posted June 1, 2021 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 49 minutes ago, Litman said: 100% agree with you JCrist. Experienced this with the baby blue E46 (yes, the BMW that apparently mistook ChampCar for IMSA and believes it necessary to flash its lights to cars 1/4 mile ahead of them). Inside pass heading into eight with a last second juke in front of me while breaking. Had no choice but to lock up. I briefly debated rolling off the brakes and poking them, but I did the gentlemanly thing and flat spotted two brand new tires. Not pleased. If you were in a black Miata, I have this on video. If you remember about what time I will get the film Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shutupracing Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 10 hours ago, Litman said: 100% agree with you JCrist. Experienced this with the baby blue E46 (yes, the BMW that apparently mistook ChampCar for IMSA and believes it necessary to flash its lights to cars 1/4 mile ahead of them). Inside pass heading into eight with a last second juke in front of me while breaking. Had no choice but to lock up. I briefly debated rolling off the brakes and poking them, but I did the gentlemanly thing and flat spotted two brand new tires. Not pleased. I have video of the blue E46 hitting us. Plenty of video I can share later of cars moving over under braking. Mostly the Sahlens cars, which is unfortunate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbogrill Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 Would this be cars that pass in straights but just before the braking zone they get into the correct line? And they need longer braking distance? Or they got better brakes? Why would you hit them? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvumtnbkr Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, turbogrill said: Would this be cars that pass in straights but just before the braking zone they get into the correct line? And they need longer braking distance? Or they got better brakes? Why would you hit them? Yeah, I'm a little confused on what is going on. The sahleens cars are usually pretty good at braking and have good corner speed, so I'm not understanding what's going on. Is the car being passed that much better at braking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCrist Posted June 1, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 2 hours ago, shutupracing said: I have video of the blue E46 hitting us. Plenty of video I can share later of cars moving over under braking. Mostly the Sahlens cars, which is unfortunate. So, I spared one of the Tuttle cars in T1, the Charcoal car didn’t get the same. Moved over on me, I managed to pull up, we both turned down to apex, they inexplicably brakes again while pointing at me in the mirror and they got the bumper. Nothing I could do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCrist Posted June 1, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 1 hour ago, turbogrill said: Would this be cars that pass in straights but just before the braking zone they get into the correct line? And they need longer braking distance? Or they got better brakes? Why would you hit them? Because we have different brake points. Just imagine the basic act of pulling immediately in front of someone just inches clear and then jamming on the brakes. It’s sometimes impossible to stop in time. Stay on your inside line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chip Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 I saw a few cars pull this maneuver on other cars- especially coming into the bus stop- make the pass on the right and as soon as they clear the car pull to the left right in front of the car they just passed and jump on the brakes. Just stay off line. It's different if the pass is done well before a braking zone- by all means clear the car and then move onto the line. But not in the braking zone... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCrist Posted June 1, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 1 hour ago, wvumtnbkr said: Yeah, I'm a little confused on what is going on. The sahleens cars are usually pretty good at braking and have good corner speed, so I'm not understanding what's going on. Is the car being passed that much better at braking? It can happen “legitimately” with varying brake depth between say a high aero high corner speed car versus a low aero high straight speed car. More often in this series it’s a 300hp car driven poorly pulling in front of a lower hp car being wheeled like the ShutUp boys. Either way, Randy Pobst isn’t pulling over in front of a car and jamming on the binders unless he knows he’s way clear. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbogrill Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 13 minutes ago, JCrist said: Because we have different brake points. Just imagine the basic act of pulling immediately in front of someone just inches clear and then jamming on the brakes. It’s sometimes impossible to stop in time. Stay on your inside line. Got it! So for whatever reason someone just turns in front of you and slam the brakes? Sounds like they are asking for rear bumper modifications... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enginerd Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 26 minutes ago, turbogrill said: Got it! So for whatever reason someone just turns in front of you and slam the brakes? Sounds like they are asking for rear bumper modifications... Well it sounds like the reason is “I just passed you on the straight, cleared you by a foot, and now I want to be on the preferred racing line”. Which is reasonable but risky. If I make a late pass on the inside (even if I have now cleared his bumper) I always leave the other car a full width for entry but I get my elbows out after the apex. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Litman Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 13 hours ago, Chris Huggins said: If you were in a black Miata, I have this on video. If you remember about what time I will get the film Yes, black Miata. I would estimate ~2:30-2:40 on Sunday. Hopefully the move wasn’t less egregious than I remember it being. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 7 hours ago, enginerd said: Well it sounds like the reason is “I just passed you on the straight, cleared you by a foot, and now I want to be on the preferred racing line”. Which is reasonable but risky. If I make a late pass on the inside (even if I have now cleared his bumper) I always leave the other car a full width for entry but I get my elbows out after the apex. Having spent a lot of time in a momentum car, but now piloting something with more power, I'm always conscious of giving a passed car space if I'm clearing them anywhere near a braking zone. I nearly shunted one of the Tuttle cars at RA when they jumped in front of me and dropped the anchor 50 feet early. I think I'll be actively blocking orange eclipses for the foreseeable future to minimize that happening. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Advisory Committee Chris Huggins Posted June 2, 2021 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, Litman said: Yes, black Miata. I would estimate ~2:30-2:40 on Sunday. Hopefully the move wasn’t less egregious than I remember it being. Edited June 2, 2021 by Chris Huggins 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCrist Posted June 2, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 13 hours ago, Ian said: Having spent a lot of time in a momentum car, but now piloting something with more power, I'm always conscious of giving a passed car space if I'm clearing them anywhere near a braking zone. I nearly shunted one of the Tuttle cars at RA when they jumped in front of me and dropped the anchor 50 feet early. I think I'll be actively blocking orange eclipses for the foreseeable future to minimize that happening. This is a great point, working together and being courteous gets reciprocated. If you see the ShutUp kids coming up, you stay on line knowing they aren't going to do something stupid. Conversely if you see someone you are pretty sure is going to pull the Verstappen Rule move and cause you trouble you may position your car to the inside and make them take the long route. The car with the good reputation get's the easier path because they are safe, you don't need to make a move that slows everyone down to ensure safety 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shutupracing Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 20 hours ago, Litman said: Yes, black Miata. I would estimate ~2:30-2:40 on Sunday. Hopefully the move wasn’t less egregious than I remember it being. 10 hours ago, Chris Huggins said: Well I'll have you know they are a very financially successful team. And you should have just removed yourself from the track once they made a passing attempt. I've been told they are the best drivers alive. @ShutupJack did I summarize correctly? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCrist Posted June 2, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 10 hours ago, Chris Huggins said: Holy poop this is the best example we could've found. I will be pushing this to be used as an example and adopted by Dana and the team for a training video. I hope they take this seriously. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShutupJack Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 9 hours ago, shutupracing said: Well I'll have you know they are a very financially successful team. And you should have just removed yourself from the track once they made a passing attempt. I've been told they are the best drivers alive. @ShutupJack did I summarize correctly? You forgot that they have been going two wide since before we were born. I was lucky enough to avoid them on track all weekend. Others weren't as lucky. The fact they don't know who the race leaders are with 20 mins left to a race as they continue their "testing" day speaks volumes about their sense of entitlement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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