turbogrill Posted June 16, 2021 Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 Hi Lots of cars have the one bumper removed and replaced with some tubing or bar. Would that be points or a consider a OE repair ? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakks Posted June 16, 2021 Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 9.21. BUMPER BARS / BASH BARS 9.21.1 If the factory bumpers are removed from the car, a bar that extends no farther up/down/out/sideways than the factory bumper must be used in its place. The bar must attach to/cover the factory frame rails. No points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morganf Posted June 16, 2021 Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 I believe this tech ticket answers most of your question. https://champcar.org/tech/knowledgebase.php?article=126 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbogrill Posted June 16, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 Thanks! I was hoping I could make it larger than OE for free but doesn't seem like it. It feels like the tires are could get damaged if someone hits from a side behind. Wanted to extend the bumper a little. On the other hand I would think that O.E bumper would be optimal. There is just a hard plastic bumper covering the rest, I would think wouldn't stand up for much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiredBirds Posted June 16, 2021 Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 23 minutes ago, turbogrill said: Thanks! I was hoping I could make it larger than OE for free but doesn't seem like it. It feels like the tires are could get damaged if someone hits from a side behind. Wanted to extend the bumper a little. On the other hand I would think that O.E bumper would be optimal. There is just a hard plastic bumper covering the rest, I would think wouldn't stand up for much. I would think since the factory bumper cover extended to cover that area your bumper could as well...dumb question but why aren't you using the factory bumper cover? They guy running behind you might not like the rocks and crap you toss up on his windshield and hood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbogrill Posted June 16, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 16 minutes ago, TiredBirds said: I would think since the factory bumper cover extended to cover that area your bumper could as well...dumb question but why aren't you using the factory bumper cover? They guy running behind you might not like the rocks and crap you toss up on his windshield and hood. That is not my car, I wish my car looked like that. This is my car: My car looks absolutely hideous from this side, working on making it look a little better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiredBirds Posted June 16, 2021 Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 1 hour ago, turbogrill said: That is not my car, I wish my car looked like that. This is my car: My car looks absolutely hideous from this side, working on making it look a little better. I would make something up out of 1.75" or perhaps 3/16 thick 4" wide. Get enough to cover the entire width, heat and curve as needed then pick up a new bumper cover and roll. Is the lower 1/4 part of the cover, or a separate piece? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiredBirds Posted June 16, 2021 Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 this is behind out front bumper cover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbogrill Posted June 16, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 2 hours ago, TiredBirds said: this is behind out front bumper cover. I like that! And having 2 bars is not extra points in any way, it's considered part of the bumper? The plastic bumbper is all one large piece, you even have to remove the lights to get it out I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiredBirds Posted June 16, 2021 Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 when all covered up...new car will have the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbogrill Posted June 16, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 33 minutes ago, TiredBirds said: when all covered up...new car will have the same. Looks like a missile! I assume it has a 1.6L 4 banger under the hood? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhr650 Posted June 16, 2021 Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 6 hours ago, turbogrill said: Thanks! I was hoping I could make it larger than OE for free but doesn't seem like it. It feels like the tires are could get damaged if someone hits from a side behind. Wanted to extend the bumper a little. On the other hand I would think that O.E bumper would be optimal. There is just a hard plastic bumper covering the rest, I would think wouldn't stand up for much. I like it, install a full width bar and hang some trucker flaps from it… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbogrill Posted June 16, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 15 minutes ago, mhr650 said: I like it, install a full width bar and hang some trucker flaps from it… haha, you got it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55mini Posted June 16, 2021 Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 This is what we did and kind of started the changes in the early days. This picture is after a really hard impact so it did its job well and yes it is a Miata. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiredBirds Posted June 16, 2021 Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 1 hour ago, turbogrill said: Looks like a missile! I assume it has a 1.6L 4 banger under the hood? even worse, 305 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbogrill Posted June 17, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 7 hours ago, 55mini said: This is what we did and kind of started the changes in the early days. This picture is after a really hard impact so it did its job well and yes it is a Miata. Nice! How much does it weight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55mini Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, turbogrill said: Nice! How much does it weight? It is all DOM tubing other then the plates and it weighs next to nothing, maybe 5 lbs total. The picture doesn't show it but it bent the rear frame tube and the bumper worked really well to protect the rest of the car and the BMW E30 it tangled with was out for the weekend. Not a good thing to see but the design worked well. Edited June 17, 2021 by 55mini addition 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbogrill Posted June 17, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 1 hour ago, 55mini said: It is all DOM tubing other then the plates and it weighs next to nothing, maybe 5 lbs total. The picture doesn't show it but it bent the rear frame tube and the bumper worked really well to protect the rest of the car and the BMW E30 it tangled with was out for the weekend. Not a good thing to see but the design worked well. Cool! I like the Swedish colored paint job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin9 Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 My gripe with the bumper bars is if you make contact with another car you can get hooked and pull the bumper off the other car... example, the cutup pickup at Daytona cut over on my car in the west horseshoe and his bumper bar hooked in the RF wheel opening and ripped my new RF fender and bumper cover off, which on a Firebird is becoming hard finding decent replacements for... the part of the bumper going forward needs to be looped or something so they don't hook... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team Infiniti Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 I just got that bumper/fender for justin, I can vouch he was looking far and wide. We are 250mi apart... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiredBirds Posted June 18, 2021 Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 22 hours ago, Justin9 said: My gripe with the bumper bars is if you make contact with another car you can get hooked and pull the bumper off the other car... example, the cutup pickup at Daytona cut over on my car in the west horseshoe and his bumper bar hooked in the RF wheel opening and ripped my new RF fender and bumper cover off, which on a Firebird is becoming hard finding decent replacements for... the part of the bumper going forward needs to be looped or something so they don't hook... what year bird? FWIW our cover has been in a few incidents, heat gun and paint work wonders...current condition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin9 Posted June 18, 2021 Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 4 hours ago, TiredBirds said: what year bird? FWIW our cover has been in a few incidents, heat gun and paint work wonders...current condition. 98-02 model... I'm kind of picky, I want my stuff to look nice since we have a sponsor who I like to show it off to or take to their events. Their bumper ripped out my plastic air duct pieces, it destroyed the stock gm fender mount which holds the bumper cover and the fender together, the fender is missing a basketball sized chunk out of it, because I've learned the plastic fenders explode apparently when contacted at 20 years old. This happened in the 3rd hour of 14, so it ran all day deformed, so it's pretty much junk now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiredBirds Posted June 18, 2021 Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 35 minutes ago, Justin9 said: 98-02 model... I'm kind of picky, I want my stuff to look nice since we have a sponsor who I like to show it off to or take to their events. Their bumper ripped out my plastic air duct pieces, it destroyed the stock gm fender mount which holds the bumper cover and the fender together, the fender is missing a basketball sized chunk out of it, because I've learned the plastic fenders explode apparently when contacted at 20 years old. This happened in the 3rd hour of 14, so it ran all day deformed, so it's pretty much junk now. Ebay is your friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Beisler Posted June 19, 2021 Report Share Posted June 19, 2021 This bumper has saved our car 3 or 4 times for sure. We had to build it, when we bought the car it did not have a rear factory bumper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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